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[Obiwan]

Let's see. LDS missionaries attack my faith whenever they talk about the lack of authority among non-LDS, whenever they present false doctrine, and whenever they sing the words "While they who reject this glad message, Shall never such happiness know."

You really should learn the difference between simple "statements of belief" and our own views of scripture and history, compared to actual "active" attacks on other religions.

You have your ministry's, and you are here doing it on this forum, LDS do not have any such thing towards others. Thus, you attack, LDS do not....

We follow the actual scriptural command, Defend the Faith, and Contend For the Faith. I.e. a ready defence, and protecting it, keeping it pure from within.

 

[Obiwan]

[Obiwan]Your only scriptural funtion is to defend the faith, and contend FOR the faith. The first is to respond to attacks, the second is to preserve the truth within your Faith. None of that means attacking other faiths, other Christians.

If that isn't defending the faith, someone needs to explain it to me.

I just did above..... LDS defend the Faith, you attack Faith.

 

[Obiwan]

C.S. Lewis would be doing cartwheels in his grave if he only knew how many diverse groups are now claiming him. The Catholics have actively claimed him for some time and I knew and Orthodox chap that claimed him. Now we have you, representing Mormonism, claiming him.

However, I suppose it is preferable to claim him than to attempt to claim that Ghandi would have been Mormon and that he was secretly in agreement with Mormon theology.

What next?

Nothing "secret" about it...... C.S. Lewis was an excellent scholar of the scriptures, inspired in many ways, certainly a lot more inspired than most of your so-called scholars. Thus, you not being able to comprehend such doesn't make such a problem for us or Catholics.

 

[Wrigley]

I was a "mormon" before knowing of mormonism, because I knew the Bible and I saw that no religion actually fit what the Bible said in full, not only in full, but different beliefs therefrom, practicing some things, not practicing others, etc. etc. Thus, the answer to your question is yes..... Many out there religious or not are disatisfied with religion "because of" the fact that none really practice and believe what the Bible states.

Further, sometimes really wise Christians come very close to believing in mormonism without knowing it or believing in it. For example, C.S. Lewis was one such sage in many respects.

Also, there is no such thing as "saving faith in Joseph Smith"...... You are off in neverland if you think any such thing exists in the LDS Church. Contra-mo perversions and out of context quoting of past LDS leaders does not make such a belief.

Lewis is spinning in his grave right now because of that claim.....

 

[Moodshadow]

Lewis is spinning in his grave right now because of that claim.....

Hey, Wrig - long time no see - welcome back!

(And boy, do I ever agree with your post!)

 

[BarryK]

...Your only scriptural funtion is to defend the faith, and contend FOR the faith. The first is to respond to attacks, the second is to preserve the truth within your Faith. None of that means attacking other faiths, other Christians....

Lets take that standard you just set and hold it to those in authourity in your church

"What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world"
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270

"...all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels."
- Prophet Joseph Smith , The Elders Journal, Joseph Smith Jr., editor, vol.1, no.4, p.60

"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'harlot of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent"
- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 255

After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon"
- Apostle George Q. Cannon said, Gospel Truth, p.324

"With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world."
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:199

"What does the Christian world know about God? Nothing... Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest fools; they know neither God nor the things of God."
- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses 13:225

"Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century."
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167

"...the Book of Mormon remains secure, unchanged and unchangeable, ...But with the Bible it was not and is not so....it was once in the sole and exclusive care and custody of an abominable organization (Christianity), founded by the devil himself, likened prophetically unto a great harlot, whose great aim and purpose was to destroy the souls of men in the name of religion. In these hands it ceased to be the book it once was."
- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, The Joseph Smith Translation, pp. 12, 13

"In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints 'do not believe in the traditional Christ.' 'No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages.'"
- Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley, LDS Church News, June 20, 1998, p.7

So, please tell us how your "prophets" and "apostles" words are in total oppossition to your statement:

...Your only scriptural funtion is to defend the faith, and contend FOR the faith. The first is to respond to attacks, the second is to preserve the truth within your Faith. None of that means attacking other faiths, other Christians....

are they wrong, or are you wrong? perhaps you are both wrong, perhaps you are both right, I look foward to your prompt, precise, and courtious reply

 

[Obiwan]

Lets take that standard you just set and hold it to those in authourity in your church



So, please tell us how your "prophets" and "apostles" words are in total oppossition to your statement:

are they wrong, or are you wrong? perhaps you are both wrong, perhaps you are both right, I look foward to your prompt, precise, and courtious reply

That is easy..... These are "statements of belief"..... You after all, all have the same kinds of statements towards us. But, the difference between us is you have ministry's and active efforts against us, while we have nothing of the sort.

Again, learn the difference between statements of belief, and actual WORKS of contention against other believers. Learn the difference between contending FOR ones Faith, and AGAINST other Faiths. It's the same difference as going and killing someone because they are bigoted towards you, compared to them coming to you and you killing them in self defense and preservation of your family. One is actively destructive, the other is preservation. One is of the Devil, one is of God. One is the doctrines of men, the other is scriptural.

Learn the difference!!!

Further...... ALL religions have statements of belief that are "contrary" or "against" other belief systems.
There is a distinct line between disagreement and believing other ways are false, contrasted against bigotry as manifested by "actions" against other groups.

Even Further..... LDS do not bear false witness of your beliefs. We have different views and interpretations of scripture than you, but we do not misrepresent your leaders words, your history, your doctrines.

Thus, what you all do is "considerably" different than what God has commanded you to do, and considerably different than what we do.

 

[sk8Joyful]

LDS defend the Faith, you attack Faith.

Not so fast.

Exactly what 'faith'? are you defending, that merits attacking/Stopping. - While hopefully others will thereby experience & encourage God's sure & eternal LIGHT...

Is a faith, the likes of Militant-muslims, and (Comparing ) Joseph Smith, & Jim Jones, & David Koresh - worth defending??

Should such 'prophets', even be allowed to live??
( Journal of Discourses, Vol.17, p.229, Orson Pratt, October 7, 1874 ) as saying: "the kind of marriage that we Latter-day Saints believe in: If you expect to have any benefits in eternity arising from you children, they must be yours legally, according to divine appointment, under a divine marriage. "What God has joined together let not man put asunder." But what has God to do with it, when a magistrate, who perhaps is an infidel, says to a man and woman, "Join your hands together," and then, when they have done so, he says, "I pronounce you husband and wife?" What has God to do with such a marriage as that? Has God joined them together? No,
a civil magistrate has done it; and it is legal so far as the laws of the country are concerned, and the children are legal and heirs to their parents property so far as the civil law is concerned, but what has God to do with it? Has he joined them together? No, and the marriage is illegal, and, in the sight of heaven, the children springing from such a marriage are b-st-rds..."

God did not create His children, to be subjected to the abuses of immoral sociopaths, misogynists, & other pathological-liars.
Should people "follow" such?? - Obviously not!!!

Yes, innocent teens, women & their children need
"defending" from such! and the younger, the sooner, the better
.

 

[sk8Joyful]

Finishing the previous quote: "Will it not be a glorious thing, when that polygamist, by virtue of promises made to him here, comes forth to reign as king and priest over his seed upon the earth? I think that in those days polygamy will not be hated as it is now. I think that all things that have been prophesied by the ancient prophets will be fulfilled, and that Jacob will get his wives, by virtue of the covenant of marriage; and that he will have them here on the earth, and he will dwell with them here a thousand years, in spite of all the laws that may be passed to the contrary. And they will be immortal personages, full of glory and happiness. And Jesus will also be here on the earth, judging the twelve tribes of Israel; and during a whole thousand years, they will eat and drink at the table of the Lord, according to the promise that was made to them. Old Father Abraham will come up with his several wives, namely Sarah, Hagar and Keturah and some others mentioned in Genesis; and besides these all the holy prophets will be here on the earth. I do not think there will be any legislation against polygamy.
By and by they will build a polygamous city, and it will have twelve gates, and in order to place as much honor upon these gates as possible, they will name them after the twelve polygamist children that were born to the four polygamous wives of Jacob; and these good old polygamists will be assembled together in this beautiful city, the most beautiful that ever had place on the earth"

Mormon fundamentalism

"Follow the prophet" after the likes of such??
.

 

[drstevej]

Obiwan, I was told we sing praise to folks other than the Father, Son and Spirit by someone who refused to document it.

 

[sk8Joyful]

Jesus, the very thought of Thee
With sweetness fills the breast;
But sweeter far Thy face to see,
And in Thy presence rest.


Nor voice can sing, nor heart can frame,
Nor can the memory find
A sweeter sound than Thy blest Name,
O Savior of mankind!


O hope of every contrite heart,
O joy of all the meek,
To those who fall, how kind Thou art!
How good to those who seek!


But what to those who find? Ah, this
Nor tongue nor pen can show;
The love of Jesus what it is,
None but His loved ones know.


Jesus, the Very Thought of Thee - MIDI and Lyrics - Sacred Hymns - Bible Study Charts.com - Free MIDI Hymns

 

[bbbbbbb]

Nothing "secret" about it...... C.S. Lewis was an excellent scholar of the scriptures, inspired in many ways, certainly a lot more inspired than most of your so-called scholars. Thus, you not being able to comprehend such doesn't make such a problem for us or Catholics.

Well, uh, sure, you can claim him and Ghandi while you are about it. Maybe Mother Theresa could find a comfortable spot in the LDS. However, none of the above ever showed the slightest inclination toward any Mormon theology or doctrines. They never had a testimony of the truth of Mormonism so it is spurious to think that Lewis or any other non-LDS theologian had the slightest affiliation with Mormonism.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Jesus, the very thought of Thee
With sweetness fills the breast;
But sweeter far Thy face to see,
And in Thy presence rest.


Nor voice can sing, nor heart can frame,
Nor can the memory find
A sweeter sound than Thy blest Name,
O Savior of mankind!


O hope of every contrite heart,
O joy of all the meek,
To those who fall, how kind Thou art!
How good to those who seek!


But what to those who find? Ah, this
Nor tongue nor pen can show;
The love of Jesus what it is,
None but His loved ones know.


Jesus, the Very Thought of Thee - MIDI and Lyrics - Sacred Hymns - Bible Study Charts.com - Free MIDI Hymns

And another -

Jesus, Thou Joy of loving hearts,
Thou Fount of life, Thou Light of men,
From the best bliss that earth imparts,
We turn unfilled to Thee again.


Thy truth unchanged hath ever stood;
Thou savest those that on Thee call;
To them that seek Thee Thou art good,
To them that find Thee all in all.


We taste Thee, O Thou living Bread,
And long to feast upon Thee still;
We drink of Thee, the Fountainhead,
And thirst our souls from Thee to fill.


Our restless spirits yearn for Thee,
Wherever our changeful lot is cast;
Glad when Thy gracious smile we see,
Blessed when our faith can hold Thee fast.


O Jesus, ever with us stay,
Make all our moments calm and bright;
Chase the dark night of sin away,
Shed over the world Thy holy light.

 

[Rescued One]

Jesus, the very thought of Thee
With sweetness fills the breast;
But sweeter far Thy face to see,
And in Thy presence rest.


Nor voice can sing, nor heart can frame,
Nor can the memory find
A sweeter sound than Thy blest Name,
O Savior of mankind!


O hope of every contrite heart,
O joy of all the meek,
To those who fall, how kind Thou art!
How good to those who seek!


But what to those who find? Ah, this
Nor tongue nor pen can show;
The love of Jesus what it is,
None but His loved ones know.


Jesus, the Very Thought of Thee - MIDI and Lyrics - Sacred Hymns - Bible Study Charts.com - Free MIDI Hymns

I believe that is one of the hymns that was in the old LDS hymnal. Maybe Moodshadow remembers.

 

[Wrigley]

Hey, Wrig - long time no see - welcome back!

(And boy, do I ever agree with your post!)

For the sake of my blood pressure, I'll be lurking.

 

[Obiwan]

For the sake of my blood pressure, I'll be lurking.

Maybe if you all stopped "misrepresenting" mormonism and actually learned what it really was, your "blood pressure" would be just fine???

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is a wonderful thing.....

 

[bbbbbbb]

Maybe if you all stopped "misrepresenting" mormonism and actually learned what it really was, your "blood pressure" would be just fine???

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is a wonderful thing.....

I have amazingly average blood pressure and I entirely agree that the good news of Jesus Christ is a wonderful thing.

 

[drstevej]

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is a wonderful thing.....

Restored version or Paul's ????

 

[Obiwan]

Restored version or Paul's ????

Both are one and the same..... You thinking otherwise does not make truth. Operative word after all is "restored".

 

[drstevej]

Both are one and the same..... You thinking otherwise does not make truth. Operative word after all is "restored".

Paul had no proxy baptism, celestial sealings, Melchizedekian priesthood, temple garments, secret ceremonies and handshakes etc.

Joseph rewrote Romans 8:30 to fit his gospel and distorting Paul's gospel. Paul warned about Angel delivered substitute gospels.