Flat Earth Theory.

[Reasonably Sane]

I understand the frustration of seeing someone who holds a view to which I whole heatedly believe is obviously false.

That's not my point.

My point is the simple fact that many of them resort to insults, condescension, ridicule, and other ad hominid action.

Rarely do you see that from someone that holds the FE view.

It's like they take it as a personal affront to their own character. They don't seem to be able to process the simple fact that people are allowed to believe a certain view and also have the right to argue that reasoning.

About ten years ago I separated "leftist" out of "liberal". I now see it, from left to right, as leftist, then liberal, then conservative, then far right. I see leftist as the left equivalent of "far right"

With that preface, for the last 7 years, I've put it this way: The primary four argument tools of the leftist are
Ad hominem attack
Projection
Deflection
Gaslight

And in all seriousness, you can often see it coming a mile away. Don't get me wrong. All people might slip into using any one of those tactics from time to time, but for leftists, it is quite literally their MO. That's what makes so many Sky News videos so much fun.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

This picture of the Thorntonbank offshore windpark in front of the Belgian coast perfectly shows the earth curvature.View attachment 340830

Actually, this is probably not a very good example and is obviously hacked.

 

[prodromos]

Actually, this is probably not a very good example and is obviously hacked.

No, that is exactly what it looks like.

 

[d taylor]

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This is the type of nonsense that rises when people who identify with the God of The Bible, but hold to sciences creation version.

If aliens came to Earth, could they be baptized?

 

[JacksBratt]

You need to get out more. There are some prominent flat earthers who ridicule and shout down anyone who disagrees with them.

In my experience, they would be the exception.... not the rule.

 

[JacksBratt]

I have news for new. You can see the curvature of the earth from high altitude. Concord flew at 70,000 feet. The passengers clearly saw the curvature of the earth. I was in the Navy in the 1970's. I've flown over a good deal of the earth both before and since. The earth is a globe.

Actually, there is a high altitude balloon photo.. that.... without a "fish eye" lens..... the curve is not recognizable.

 

[JacksBratt]

Actually, this is probably not a very good example and is obviously hacked.

That's not hacked. Very good use of a photo lens.

You can do a lot of things with a camera and different lenses.

What is not a trick of the lens is photographs of things that are so far away that they should be beyond the curve.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

That's not hacked. Very good use of a photo lens.

You can do a lot of things with a camera and different lenses.

What is not a trick of the lens is photographs of things that are so far away that they should be beyond the curve.

You may be right. Trick of the lens.

 

[prodromos]

That's not hacked. Very good use of a photo lens.

What lens affect are you referring to?

You can do a lot of things with a camera and different lenses.

Like zoom in and zoom out, have pin cushion or barrel distortion, but you can't make objects magically disappear from the bottom up.

What is not a trick of the lens is photographs of things that are so far away that they should be beyond the curve.

No, that is the result of atmospheric refraction.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Actually, there is a high altitude balloon photo.. that.... without a "fish eye" lens..... the curve is not recognizable.

The earth is a globe. Even the weather bureau knows that. Every international navigator, sea or air, knows it. Every radar operator knows it. Every surveyor knows it. Everyone with a modicum of common sense and intellectual honesty knows it. It is really simple to prove it. You can do it yourself. Will an FE proponent do it? No. Their delusion would be shattered and we can't have that. It's more fun to believe a lie.

 

[JacksBratt]

Fake, like everything trotted out by FE people.

What have you done, outside of your house, to prove your view?

Rob Skiba got out of his chair and from behind his computer, got in a boat and filmed Chicago, across lake Michigan, to prove that it was not "a mirage"..
He also colaborated with some other people of like views and actually launched their own weather balloon and trackted it.

It is not fake.

Rob was a man of God. If only we could be that devoted to the things that I hold to be true...

He wrote books on the Nephilime, parallels between "The Book of Enoch", "The Book of Jasher", the writings of Josephus and the Biblical accounts of history.

Sorry but to say that this is fake... shows that you don't know Rob Skiba, his character, his reputation and his legacy.

 

[prodromos]

What have you done, outside of your house, to prove your view?

Rob Skiba got out of his chair and from behind his computer, got in a boat and filmed Chicago, across lake Michigan, to prove that it was not "a mirage"..
He also colaborated with some other people of like views and actually launched their own weather balloon and trackted it.

It is not fake.

Rob was a man of God. If only we could be that devoted to the things that I hold to be true...

He wrote books on the Nephilime, parallels between "The Book of Enoch", "The Book of Jasher", the writings of Josephus and the Biblical accounts of history.

Sorry but to say that this is fake... shows that you don't know Rob Skiba, his character, his reputation and his legacy.

Rob may have been a man of God, but he was wrong about the earth being flat. I had a look at one of his videos years ago where he was using a freznel lens to demonstrate how refraction would cause the sun to appear to go down and disappear as it moved further away. The problem with his video is he was using the wrong half of the freznel lens which was bending light in the opposite direction to that caused by the atmospheric refraction due the the density gradient of the atmosphere. He may have been sincere, but he was sincerely wrong.

 

[JacksBratt]

I don't agree. All the FE people I've dealt with reject every bit of evidence that either proves the earth is a globe or disproves FE. Believing the earth is flat is not the issue. Not accepting the evidence against a flat earth is the problem. It demonstrates a level of gullibility that may lead them to much more serious errors in the future. The world is getting ever more deceptive with AI and the ability to create deep fakes that are quite convincing. If people are fooled by FE deceptions, how much more susceptible they are to more convincing deceptions.

If AI is to be feared.... which I believe it is.... then I will be very surprised if AI starts pushing the FE.
AI will push intelligence from other worlds, however, which is part of the desception.

I do not hold to the FE view, I am a searcher of truth.... I do know that the FE is not ever going to be part of Satans coming great deception though. Only the globe model can perpetuate his lies.

Yes, truth is absolute. But we live in an age where truth is no longer of much value. And this is exactly what Satan needs in order to deceive the world with the Antichrist. CS Lewis warned that this time would come. He was far from the only one to see this coming.

I agree somewhat. However I think it may be more accurate to say that truth is infinitley more valuable today. That is why people are so desperately trying to hide it, muddle it, confuse it and create a world where truth is one of the hardest things to find.

Satan doesn't want the truth known. Neither do many mega elites, politicians and people in power.

But, as God said, truth will set you free. This is why so many are trying to hide it.

Maybe the FE earth and the globe have some things right. Neither model is free from issues.

I beleive that the real deal... is being hidden.

I first heard FE arguments only a few years ago. When I finished laughing, I decided to answer the FE questions and false statements with the facts. I soon found that it was pointless. The only reason I answer FE claims now is to help those who might be questioning the global earth point of view. And I have not the slightest idea why FE proponents think it their duty to convince the rest of us that the earth is flat.

I see no harm in people seeking for answers and, in all reality, if they believe in a FE... so be it. If someone else believes in the globe... so be it.

People thought that lemmings ran, in herds, off of cliffs, for years.

I just don't want to step in front of someone and tell them to stop asking questions.

We are all who we are, based on what we believe. If we allow those in power and those who teach, and those that mentor.. if we allow those to demand one view on any topic.... then we are dictating things that we have no right to dictate.

Even with Christianity.... You cannot bring someone to salvation by demanding that they believe the gospel. They must be given the information and the Holy Spirit will bring them home. It is a choice....

Even though truth is absolute....We should all.... always... have the choice of what we believe to be true.

 

[prodromos]

Sorry but to say that this is fake... shows that you don't know Rob Skiba, his character, his reputation and his legacy.

Did you know Rob personally?

 

[JacksBratt]

They have Flat earth as their god. They dismiss reality too.

Actually, many people who hold to the FE, were atheists until they were convinced that the FE was the true model. Then... they came to Christ.

IMO, the FE model destroys any doubt that there is a God and He is almighty.

The globe model... anything goes...

So, your statement, as far as I'm concerned, doesn't hold water.

I would say that evolution and the globe model is far more fitting to be a religion and a "god" to many.

 

[prodromos]

Maybe the FE earth and the globe have some things right. Neither model is free from issues.

You keep claiming there are issues with the globe model. There are no issues. Everything we observe is completely consistent with the globe model.

You will counter with "we see too far", which is already explained by atmospheric refraction, which you use when it suits you but dismiss off hand when it doesn't.

 

[prodromos]

IMO, the FE model destroys any doubt that there is a God and He is almighty.

The flat earth cosmology is consistent with the pagan beliefs of old. It doesn't present an almighty God when he can only make a glorified snow globe.

 

[JacksBratt]

Rob may have been a man of God, but he was wrong about the earth being flat. I had a look at one of his videos years ago where he was using a freznel lens to demonstrate how refraction would cause the sun to appear to go down and disappear as it moved further away. The problem with his video is he was using the wrong half of the freznel lens which was bending light in the opposite direction to that caused by the atmospheric refraction due the the density gradient of the atmosphere. He may have been sincere, but he was sincerely wrong.

Rob was a man of God, true.. and he was probably wrong about many things. Just like we all are.

But, you gotta hand it to him.. he was not one to sit around and believe something just because someone said so.

Rob was a helecopter pilot and a videographer. I'm sure he had forgotten more than some people know, about the use of different lenses and what they do and don't do.

 

[JacksBratt]

Did you know Rob personally?

Nope. But I watched enough of his pod casts, videos, talks and presentations to feel like I did. He wore his heart on his sleeve and was very open about his views and why he thought and beleived the way he did.

The first thing he would say at most talks that he gave was.. "don't believe it because I say so... go research it for yourself"

I don't think that there is a human alive that I agree with 100% of what they say.... Rob was no different. I didn't agree with everything he said or believed but I respected him for why he did and he never condemned anyone for holding a view different than his own.

 

[JacksBratt]

You keep claiming there are issues with the globe model. There are no issues. Everything we observe is completely consistent with the globe model.

You will counter with "we see too far", which is already explained by atmospheric refraction, which you use when it suits you but dismiss off hand when it doesn't.

They cannot prove we are spinning.
They cannot prove that we are moving through space.
We see things, on a regular basis, and have for centuries.. that should not be visible due to the curve.
The atmosphere doesn't get sucked out into the vacuum of space.
The shadow of the moon should be way bigger than it is.
Corpuscular rays of light. ( not the ones that come toward you but the ones that go straight down).
Due to the fact that Mercury and Venus are closer to the sun, they should never be visible in the night sky.. due to the simple fact that we have to be looking in the direction of the sun to see them... that's only in the daytime. When we see the night sky.. they would be on the other side of the earth.