Flat Earth Theory.

[JacksBratt]

The flat earth cosmology is consistent with the pagan beliefs of old. It doesn't present an almighty God when he can only make a glorified snow globe.

If the earth is a snow globe... then there was no "big bang" there is no evolution.. The snow globe screams "creator" and there must be a mega intelligent powerful being that is maintaining it.

The globe... by all cases... could just keep spinning.

 

[JacksBratt]

What lens affect are you referring to?

IDK what the "affect" would be called, or what lens set up you would have to use. I have just seen movies and pictures where the sun can look super huge and other effects. You can do a lot of things with lens set up.

Like zoom in and zoom out, have pin cushion or barrel distortion, but you can't make objects magically disappear from the bottom up.

You can do that if you take a picture, then crop a small portion of it and blow it up.
What you can also do... and there are examples of it... where a ship sails out and goes out of view.. and you zoom in on it and it pops back up over the curve and into view.

You can do it all day long in any weather where you can have good visiblitiy... That is not refraction.

There used to be lots of examples on YouTube... Now, they are gone... People don't delete or hide stuff unless it threatens them.

No, that is the result of atmospheric refraction.

Gee, never heard that one before.

 

[Aussie Pete]

If AI is to be feared.... which I believe it is.... then I will be very surprised if AI starts pushing the FE.
AI will push intelligence from other worlds, however, which is part of the desception.

I do not hold to the FE view, I am a searcher of truth.... I do know that the FE is not ever going to be part of Satans coming great deception though. Only the globe model can perpetuate his lies.

I agree somewhat. However I think it may be more accurate to say that truth is infinitley more valuable today. That is why people are so desperately trying to hide it, muddle it, confuse it and create a world where truth is one of the hardest things to find.

Satan doesn't want the truth known. Neither do many mega elites, politicians and people in power.

But, as God said, truth will set you free. This is why so many are trying to hide it.

Maybe the FE earth and the globe have some things right. Neither model is free from issues.

I beleive that the real deal... is being hidden.

I see no harm in people seeking for answers and, in all reality, if they believe in a FE... so be it. If someone else believes in the globe... so be it.

People thought that lemmings ran, in herds, off of cliffs, for years.

I just don't want to step in front of someone and tell them to stop asking questions.

We are all who we are, based on what we believe. If we allow those in power and those who teach, and those that mentor.. if we allow those to demand one view on any topic.... then we are dictating things that we have no right to dictate.

Even with Christianity.... You cannot bring someone to salvation by demanding that they believe the gospel. They must be given the information and the Holy Spirit will bring them home. It is a choice....

Even though truth is absolute....We should all.... always... have the choice of what we believe to be true.

Real truth is absolute. It does not depend on feelings or what people believe. That people believe FE is not the issue. It is their utter unwillingness to accept the truth that is the problem. It leaves them wide open to other deceptions.

The globe earth is not a "model". It is proven by observation and calculation. People have physically observed it. A Greek scientist invented a branch of mathematics and measured the circumference of the earth 2,300 years ago. I don't believe in evolution, unless it is going in reverse. People are no more intelligent now than they were when Adam was kicked out of Eden.

 

[Aussie Pete]

The flat earth cosmology is consistent with the pagan beliefs of old. It doesn't present an almighty God when he can only make a glorified snow globe.

Your argument is not wrong, but pagan Greeks believed that the earth was a globe. Sure, they believed it was supported by a god, but that's another story. Truth is truth, pagan or not.

 

[Aussie Pete]

What have you done, outside of your house, to prove your view?

Rob Skiba got out of his chair and from behind his computer, got in a boat and filmed Chicago, across lake Michigan, to prove that it was not "a mirage"..
He also colaborated with some other people of like views and actually launched their own weather balloon and trackted it.

It is not fake.

Rob was a man of God. If only we could be that devoted to the things that I hold to be true...

He wrote books on the Nephilime, parallels between "The Book of Enoch", "The Book of Jasher", the writings of Josephus and the Biblical accounts of history.

Sorry but to say that this is fake... shows that you don't know Rob Skiba, his character, his reputation and his legacy.

I do not give a hoot what people claim. I don't care who they are or what they have done. No, I do not know Rob Skiba. If I met him, I would tell him that the earth is a globe. I don't think it is, I know it is. I spent 3-1/2 years "outside my house", on a warship. I've spent many hours in commercial aircraft, starting when I was 9 or 10 years old. I trained in radio and radar, both of which prove that the earth is curved. The navigator on my ship got us all over SE Asia and to Hawaii, using the globe maps. Not one FE person has even tried to map the earth. If they did, their FE bubble would burst and they can't have that. FE people call some of the most intelligent and morally upright people liars. Don't lecture me on this subject. I don't care what people think. I know. Jump up and down all you like. The earth will still not be flat.

 

[JacksBratt]

Real truth is absolute. It does not depend on feelings or what people believe.

Exactly.

That people believe FE is not the issue.

Exactly

It is their utter unwillingness to accept the truth that is the problem.

According to your feeling and what you believe.

It leaves them wide open to other deceptions.

As does the globe.. The Globe model has it's own deceptions.

The globe earth is not a "model". It is proven by observation and calculation.

By using the globe calculations it has been shown that we see things that we should not be able to see.

People have physically observed it.

Show me a picture that is not from NASA, the government, or the military... All of which are not without issues with keeping secrets and distorting truth to suit their agenda.

A Greek scientist invented a branch of mathematics and measured the circumference of the earth 2,300 years ago.

Nice. Einstein could use math to show that parallel lines never touch but at the same time were always touching...

I don't believe in evolution, unless it is going in reverse. People are no more intelligent now than they were when Adam was kicked out of Eden.

If intelligence is measured by how well we use the knowledge that we have of history... and cause and effect.. we are definitely less intelligent.

 

[JacksBratt]

I do not give a hoot what people claim.

That's great.

I don't care who they are or what they have done.

Also great.

No, I do not know Rob Skiba. If I met him, I would tell him that the earth is a globe.

Rob has passed away. If you met him, he would invite you to tell him why you have your view and he would give his reasons for his.

I don't think it is, I know it is. I spent 3-1/2 years "outside my house", on a warship. I've spent many hours in commercial aircraft, starting when I was 9 or 10 years old. I trained in radio and radar, both of which prove that the earth is curved. The navigator on my ship got us all over SE Asia and to Hawaii, using the globe maps. Not one FE person has even tried to map the earth. If they did, their FE bubble would burst and they can't have that. FE people call some of the most intelligent and morally upright people liars. Don't lecture me on this subject. I don't care what people think. I know. Jump up and down all you like. The earth will still not be flat.

Nice to know that you're solid in your belief.

Others are just as justified in their beliefs.

 

[Lost4words]

Actually, many people who hold to the FE, were atheists until they were convinced that the FE was the true model. Then... they came to Christ.

IMO, the FE model destroys any doubt that there is a God and He is almighty.

The globe model... anything goes...

So, your statement, as far as I'm concerned, doesn't hold water.

I would say that evolution and the globe model is far more fitting to be a religion and a "god" to many.

You have been sucked into the lies of the FE believing world.

Open your eyes and move away from the deception of a flat earth. Embrace the scientifically proven fact that the earth is a globe.

You say you dont believe in a FE. Yet all of your posts prove that you are an FE believer.

God created a globe. Science has proven it.

FE believers are extremely gullible people. Easily led by untruths and pure fantasy. They dismiss reality. They have NO proof at all for an FE. Zero, none. The FE map is a cartoon. They also twist scripture to try their hardest to say God created a FE! And also saying the moon produces its own light!!!!!!!! Truly mind boggling and a reminder that these people have totally lost the plot and are being deceived by a force that goes against God's true creation.

 

[Gene2memE]

I have news for new. You can see the curvature of the earth from high altitude. Concord flew at 70,000 feet. The passengers clearly saw the curvature of the earth. I was in the Navy in the 1970's. I've flown over a good deal of the earth both before and since. The earth is a globe.

Minor correction. Concorde typically cruised at 55,000 to 59,000 ft. Normal max cruise altitude was 60,000 ft. Max altitude (officially) was 63,700 ft, although there are pilot's accounts of going higher still.

 

[prodromos]

They cannot prove we are spinning.

Coriolis effect, Foucault's pendulum, Ring laser gyroscope (Thanks Bob), geostationary satellites.

They cannot prove that we are moving through space.

We've successfully sent probes to several of the other planets in the Solar system, intercept asteroids and return to earth, all based on calculations assuming the earth is moving through space.

We see things, on a regular basis, and have for centuries.. that should not be visible due to the curve.

Atmospheric refraction, an extremely well understood phenomenon.

The atmosphere doesn't get sucked out into the vacuum of space.

Gravity. The Earth's atmosphere is a pressure gradient. There is no sudden change from atmosphere to vacuum.

The shadow of the moon should be way bigger than it is.

No it shouldn't. I've done the maths.

Corpuscular rays of light. ( not the ones that come toward you but the ones that go straight down).

Perspective. You are making wrong assumptions about the distances involved.

Due to the fact that Mercury and Venus are closer to the sun, they should never be visible in the night sky.. due to the simple fact that we have to be looking in the direction of the sun to see them... that's only in the daytime. When we see the night sky.. they would be on the other side of the earth.

Not true. They can be visible depending on the angle of their orbit around the sun compared to the earth's angle of orbit. When they are approximately 90° apart, Mercury can be visible for a short period at dusk or dawn and Venus can be visible for significantly longer. Do the math.

 

[prodromos]

Your argument is not wrong, but pagan Greeks believed that the earth was a globe. Sure, they believed it was supported by a god, but that's another story. Truth is truth, pagan or not.

I was thinking more along the lines of Mesopotamian and Babylonian cosmology

 

[prodromos]

I don't believe in evolution, unless it is going in reverse.

Same here. I don't believe evolution can coexist with entropy.

 

[Lost4words]

Coriolis effect, Foucault's pendulum, Ring laser gyroscope (Thanks Bob), geostationary satellites.

We've successfully sent probes to several of the other planets in the Solar system, intercept asteroids and return to earth, all based on calculations assuming the earth is moving through space.

Atmospheric refraction, an extremely well understood phenomenon.

Gravity. The Earth's atmosphere is a pressure gradient. There is no sudden change from atmosphere to vacuum.

No it shouldn't. I've done the maths.

Perspective. You are making wrong assumptions about the distances involved.

Not true. They can be visible depending on the angle of their orbit around the sun compared to the earth's angle of orbit. When they are approximately 90° apart, Mercury can be visible for a short period at dusk or dawn and Venus can be visible for significantly longer. Do the math.

And Jack says he doesnt believe in a flat earth!!! He continues to post proving otherwise!

 

[Aussie Pete]

Minor correction. Concorde typically cruised at 55,000 to 59,000 ft. Normal max cruise altitude was 60,000 ft. Max altitude (officially) was 63,700 ft, although there are pilot's accounts of going higher still.

Thanks for the correction. Passengers testified to seeing the curvature of the earth. I have no idea why anyone doubts that the earth is a globe.

 

[Michael Snow]

"Show me a picture that is not from NASA, the government, or the military..."
That's easy enough. A high school science project just used a weather balloon for high altitude photo. And then there was the commercial airline of the Concord. Passengers take photos out the window

And then there was this. Felix Baumgartner. Sponsored by Red Bull. Seen by millions.
https://www.redbull.com/int-en/trailer-videos/space-jump-trailer

 

[Michael Snow]

 

[Michael Snow]

ISS (International Space Station) has hosted over 150 astronauts or scientists from USA, Russia, Spain, Japan, EU, etc. for over 20 years. Plenty of videoes/live TV of these folks working and floating there. (Ever been weightless? I have. You can't fake it] You can go outside and watch ISS pass by in the sky in its orbit as it leaves Earth's shadow. Schedule is here (made possible by 'the language of God"...Mathematics ]

Yet they are all liars and the flat earthers are the truth tellers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUIa685ETgo

 

[Michael Snow]

ISS tour.

 

[Lost4words]

FE's think NASA and every space agency in the world are fake and everything that they do is totally made up!! 100's of thousands of people all lying. lol....

Truly unbelievable the lies FE's will go to.

Its delusion and totally against reason.

 

[Michael Snow]