FDA greenlights updated vaccines that better target currently circulating variants

[NxNW]

The guy I used to be in business with, in his early 50’s had both vaccinations and a booster. He died from COVID. Had no other health problems.

I'm sorry to hear that. Surely a rarity. I know a half dozen who died from it pre vaccine, but none after.

 

[Pommer]

The guy I used to be in business with, in his early 50’s had both vaccinations and a booster. He died from COVID. Had no other health problems.

You went over his medical records, eh?

 

[sfs]

Directly of Covid

Deaths due to covid, not deaths of people who happened to be infected. It's still a serious disease -- more serious than the flu, which also kills tens of thousands of Americans per year.

Viruses tend to weaken and become less virulent. And yes, the cold once killed people until it weakened.

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/09/1071...-time-what-does-that-mean-for-the-coronavirus

Some viruses become less virulent with time. Some become more virulent. There is no overall pattern. (Studying natural selection in pathogens happens to be what I spend much of my time doing professionally.)
Will Covid-19 become less dangerous as it evolves?

 

[sfs]

Me: That's what they say, because there will never be an admission that none of this was necessary nor affected the outcome in any significant way. Had we done absolutely nothing but contract it, as nearly everyone did, whether they became ill or not, and then go about our business, while the elderly or those with multiple co-morbidities distanced, as is simply wise, we would have had the same outcome. Or better.

Your statement here is wrong.

A million people died NOT ALL FROM COVID, but from various causes. Anyone who happened to test positive from Covid as well as those seriously ill from Covid were all counted together as "Covid cases".

It's much more complicated than that -- see here. The million+ figure is the best estimate of deaths caused by covid, made by those whose job it is to estimate such things and who have no incentive to inflate the numbers.

In reality, 90% of the deaths were among the elderly (many warehoused in nursing homes where germs were sure to flourish- some intentionally sent there sick, as Cuomo and 3 or 4 other governors did to their people) and/or with co-morbidities, yet Covid was treated and spoken of misleadingly as if everyone was at equal risk of death.

I saw a lot of coverage of covid and it was endlessly repeated that the elderly and sick were at higher risk. What were you listening to that suggested that everyone was at equal risk of death?

The only rational thing to have done was protect the vulnerable

The early responders should have shown us this, as the vast majority got the virus early, had some symptoms, and went back to work.

"Results showed that those with protective service occupations -- including police, firefighters, fire inspectors, correctional officers, private detectives, security guards and probation officers -- had the highest rate at 60.3 deaths per 100,000 workers." (source)

ETA: Also, protecting the vulnerable is an excellent thing to do, and it makes sense as a stopgap while you develop a vaccine. But how are we supposed to protect them in perpetuity? Who is going to take care of the elderly?

 

[Aaron112]

This is a very good question, now why would that be.

www.youtube.com › watch?v=oaM37ZnB64s

Doctors Strike & Death Rate Drops - YouTube​

In this Video, John Rose takes a closer look at What Happens When Doctors Go On Strike. As one would suspect, the Death Rate Drops, which explains why Conve...

www.bmj.com › rapid-response › 2011 › 10 › 28 › doctor-strikes-lowered-mortality-happens-every-time

Doctor strikes, lowered mortality--Happens every time | The BMJ​

The 1960's saw physicians in Canada go on strike and the mortality rate dropped. Los Angeles physicians associated with a USC hospital went on strike in the 1970's and the mortality rate dropped. Physicians went on strike in South America (Columbia?) later that same decade and the mortality rate dropped.

healthwyze.org › reports › 502-death-rates-drop-when-doctors-go-on-strike

Death Rates Drop When Doctors Go on Strike - The Health Wyze Report​

This would be easy to dismiss as sub-standard Israeli medicine if this phenomena were restricted to just that part of the world, but similar results were seen in 1976, in Los Angeles, when doctors went on strike for just one month. The death rate quickly decreased by 18%.

 

[Aaron112]

The guy I used to be in business with, in his early 50’s had both vaccinations and a booster. He died from COVID. Had no other health problems.

Is there any way or test to find out if he died from the vaxes ? Other laborities around the world have had a very big challenge proving anyone died of something when they have no test sample nor a standard sample to compare / validate with samples from someone who dies.

 

[Belk]

I'm rapidly getting to the point where I want to stop trying to protect people to stupid to come in out of the rain. The only sad part is how this will affect everyone else.

 

[BPPLEE]

You went over his medical records, eh?

In August of 2022 6 in 10 people who died from Covid were vaccinated.
I didn’t have to see his medical records I knew him and talked to his wife

Why Do Vaccinated People Represent Most COVID-19 Deaths Right Now? | KFF

This post explores why the share of COVID-19 deaths among those who are vaccinated has risen, Factors include a rising share of the population that is vaccinated, waning immune protection and low uptake of boosters, and changes in immunity among the unvaccinated.

www.kff.org

 

[BPPLEE]

Is there any way or test to find out if he died from the vaxes ? Other laborities around the world have had a very big challenge proving anyone died of something when they have no test sample nor a standard sample to compare / validate with samples from someone who dies.

Why Do Vaccinated People Represent Most COVID-19 Deaths Right Now? | KFF

This post explores why the share of COVID-19 deaths among those who are vaccinated has risen, Factors include a rising share of the population that is vaccinated, waning immune protection and low uptake of boosters, and changes in immunity among the unvaccinated.

www.kff.org

 

[essentialsaltes]

In August of 2022 6 in 10 people who died from Covid were vaccinated.

From your link, 8 in 10 people were vaccinated. So the vaccinated are under-represented among deaths. Conversely, the unvaccinated were dying at much higher per capita rates:

20% of the population was unvaccinated, but they made up 40% of deaths. So clocking out at more than twice the rate of the vaccinated.

 

[essentialsaltes]

After all the approvals are received, I certainly plan to do so at a convenient time.

Got the updated booster today. WiFi reception improved 45%.

My COVID card was already full front and back before today, so I think this is my 6th shot, and I've only died twice.

 

[PsaltiChrysostom]

Got the updated booster today. WiFi reception improved 45%.

My COVID card was already full front and back before today, so I think this is my 6th shot, and I've only died twice.

So you are primed for the government to use 5G on you and turn you into a zombie? At least that's what the latest conspiracy thread was about. My wife is still hoping that the Covid vax mutation converter will turn me into Jason Momoa. I be happy if it just gave me hair as I continue my journey to baldness.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

So you are primed for the government to use 5G on you and turn you into a zombie? At least that's what the latest conspiracy thread was about. My wife is still hoping that the Covid vax mutation converter will turn me into Jason Momoa. I be happy if it just gave me hair as I continue my journey to baldness.

Not to derail too much...but if you're looking to address the baldness thing. Propecia is your friend lol. (and you can get it in the cheap generic form Finasteride now)

As long as you start it early enough, the stuff works. I've been on it for 7-8 years now (started when I was still in the phase known as "thinning"), and pretty much back to a full head of hair now.

My dermatologist explained it as "you'll keep what you got, and you'll regrow a a decent amount of whatever you've lost in the last 3 years...but hair loss older than 3 years is past the point of no return"

 

[PsaltiChrysostom]

Not to derail too much...but if you're looking to address the baldness thing. Propecia is your friend lol. (and you can get it in the cheap generic form Finasteride now)

As long as you start it early enough, the stuff works. I've been on it for 7-8 years now (started when I was still in the phase known as "thinning"), and pretty much back to a full head of hair now.

My dermatologist explained it as "you'll keep what you got, and you'll regrow a a decent amount of whatever you've lost in the last 3 years...but hair loss older than 3 years is past the point of no return"

Some of my work wives think I should go bald with a goatee. Maybe I can pull off the Bryan Cranston look?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Some of my work wives think I should go bald with a goatee. Maybe I can pull off the Bryan Cranston look?

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the problem with balding is you never really know what's under there, some people can pull it off...I was not one of those people. The first go-around, I tried buzzing it down with the #1 attachment for the Wahl trimmer and letting the face stubble grow out a bit thinking I would go for the "Jason Statham look".... turns out, there's a few noticeable "asymmetries" and a birth mark on the back of my head, so I went the pharma route to address it lol.

 

[BPPLEE]

From your link, 8 in 10 people were vaccinated. So the vaccinated are under-represented among deaths. Conversely, the unvaccinated were dying at much higher per capita rates:

20% of the population was unvaccinated, but they made up 40% of deaths. So clocking out at more than twice the rate of the vaccinated.

That’s true. 80% were vaccinated but they still made up 60% of the deaths

 

[essentialsaltes]

That’s true. 80% were vaccinated but they still made up 60% of the deaths

Right... I guess I'm glad we agree vaccination protects people from dying of COVID.

 

[BPPLEE]

Right... I guess I'm glad we agree vaccination protects people from dying of COVID.

That’s not a great record,

 

[essentialsaltes]

That’s not a great record,

Being unvaccinated is more than twice as not-great.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Right... I guess I'm glad we agree vaccination protects people from dying of COVID.

That’s not a great record,

Sorta ties in with what I said...which is they work, but not as well as some people said they did, and the exaggeration of efficacy is what put some people off of them...which resulted in people who should be getting it, being stubborn and refusing to do so.

I can sympathize with both sides of this debate.


Given that obesity is a comorbidity (and that designation applies to > 30% of our population), it's frustrating to see people in that cohort refuse to get it (when the pros clearly outweigh the cons for those people)

On the other side, if you're going advocate for policies that tell people that "you have to get this vaccine in order to be allowed to participate in society", it'd better be the best, most effective, safest vaccine in human history. (which the current mRNA vaccine fails on in the efficacy category)


I'd compare it to statin drugs... yes there are side effects, yes people have have bad experiences with them. But if you're 58 years old, 350lbs, with a cholesterol score > 350....geez, take the pill...it could save your life.

On the flip side, if the messaging was "atherosclerosis is bad, so we need to pressure 24 year olds into taking Lipitor", Lipitor better be the safest most effective drug ever.