FDA greenlights updated vaccines that better target currently circulating variants

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Take your time over the next two years , if you want to know.

Since about 1960 , maybe earlier, the biggest cause of death in the usa , and the fastest growing cause of death in the usa, has been the medical protocols/ medicine/ legally done and prescribed by officially approved protocols.
No worries if you or anyone chooses to deny part of this - it is readily (or was before today) verifiable by searching with any search engine the internet statistics published of and by or sourced from the official FDA and AMA , and other government and other medical sites.
They do of course obfuscate all the statistics as much as possible to get some other desired outcome, to distract from what is really happening for the last century.
Naturally , as the biggest drain of money in the world , might be military spending, or is still medical spending ... and everything will be done to protect that no matter what.
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All of it. The lab leak, which is the most likely thing that happened, as was finally admitted.

There was no such admission.
The stupidity in handling everything. The vaccine. The mandating and targeting and hideously wrong demonization of "the unvaccinated", when in reality, everyone was going to get exposed to this virus, most would have mild symptoms (and some asymptomatic), and 98% were going to be fine.
Thanks for your opinion.
As always, the elderly and/or those with co-morbidities should and did distance themselves to protect them as long as possible.
Well, some of them.
 
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There was no such admission.

Thanks for your opinion.

Well, some of them.
FOIA Emails beg to differ. Other agencies beg to differ, stating that it was a lab leak. Not that it really matters now, except that Fauci did indeed fund gain of function research at the Wuhan lab, so he tried hard to kill the story.
 
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FOIA Emails beg to differ. Other agencies beg to differ, stating that it was a lab leak. Not that it really matters now, except that Fauci did indeed fund gain of function research at the Wuhan lab, so he tried hard to kill the story.
You’ve seen these FOIA emails? Where?
 
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No, I didn't personally file the FOIA request. But I can read. Details here, if you actually are interested.

I think this is one of those situations where society allowed political correctness to trump pragmatism.

If you remember the original conversations surrounding this, the "animal to human jump" theory was deemed to be political incorrect, because it "may cause racist Americans to make jokes about Chinese people eating bat soup". Fast forward a year or so, when Fauci became something of a folk hero in the eyes of progressives because he publicly went against Trump (there were outlets selling #TeamFauci merch), then the lab theory became "unacceptable" because "conservatives may use that to attack Fauci".

It's gotta be one of the two...yet, some people have reasons why either of the two theories should be "socially verboten", while never providing a plausible third option.

Clearly the virus came from somewhere...either China has a food culture in that province that's problematic, China has weak lab safety measure practices that are problematic, or Chinese labs (using American money) are tinkering with things that shouldn't be tinkered with in a way that's problematic.

That can't be reconciled with a position of "Whatever we do, we can't say anything relating to China because that could provide fodder for racist people" if the aim is to actually find the truth and understand what happened.
 
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It's gotta be one of the two..
I think the plan was published decades ago - but not sure which of many they chose ....

The truth might be found (not always for everyone) , but it is good for now IF >
if the aim is to actually find the truth and understand what happened.
 
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I think this is one of those situations where society allowed political correctness to trump pragmatism.

If you remember the original conversations surrounding this, the "animal to human jump" theory was deemed to be political incorrect, because it "may cause racist Americans to make jokes about Chinese people eating bat soup". Fast forward a year or so, when Fauci became something of a folk hero in the eyes of progressives because he publicly went against Trump (there were outlets selling #TeamFauci merch), then the lab theory became "unacceptable" because "conservatives may use that to attack Fauci".

It's gotta be one of the two...yet, some people have reasons why either of the two theories should be "socially verboten", while never providing a plausible third option.

Clearly the virus came from somewhere...either China has a food culture in that province that's problematic, China has weak lab safety measure practices that are problematic, or Chinese labs (using American money) are tinkering with things that shouldn't be tinkered with in a way that's problematic.

That can't be reconciled with a position of "Whatever we do, we can't say anything relating to China because that could provide fodder for racist people" if the aim is to actually find the truth and understand what happened.
The problem is exactly what you detail. We need the truth, not some politicized version of it that is "Pro-Fauci" or "Pro-Trump". How stupid was that?

The nut job faction went so far as to silence people who expressed opinions on this - even scientific experts. That was truly crazy.

Who cares where it came from, especially now, except to learn from it. Let's NEVER do this again.
 
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Let's NEVER do this again.
Well, wishful thinking I think won't help, and nothing will change what is happening.
The last fifty years have seen a stronger strangehold/ increase in one world power working, than ... well, than what ? More laws, gigantic budget (many trillions of dollars), no way to , um.... what ? change things for better ? The money is all more in not.
 
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Well, wishful thinking I think won't help, and nothing will change what is happening.
The last fifty years have seen a stronger strangehold/ increase in one world power working, than ... well, than what ? More laws, gigantic budget (many trillions of dollars), no way to , um.... what ? change things for better ? The money is all more in not.
I know. It's an optimistic thought.
 
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I know. It's an optimistic thought.
Now then, that being out of the way ,
where
is the true everlasting, overflowing, unbelievable, immeasurable! JOY , PEACE ?
Yes,
even here and now, with sorrow and grief , in the midst of deception, death, lies, and suffering,
WHERE is the eternal, present, "palpable"?(if that's a proper term to use) ,
ever-present healing power and unexpected joy not of this world, and peace that is way way way way beyond understanding !!! In Jesus of course ! Lacking in the world, pretended in some places and people,
but without any pretense at all without any effort on our part at all, WHERE is ......

Salvation, Healing, Resurrection Power, Wisdom from Above, Enlightenment ? Enjoyed ?
 
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I know. It's an optimistic thought.
It’s just the nature of pandemics that charting the “best course” through its shoals will always generate disagreements; overall we did pretty darned good.

Well done everyone!
 
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It’s just the nature of pandemics that charting the “best course” through its shoals will always generate disagreements; overall we did pretty darned good.

Well done everyone!
The kids who were left behind beg to disagree. Kids didn't even get sick, in any numbers at all. Yet the more unhinged states demanded to keep them at home for going on two years. Check the scores.

Exactly the same result we had would have occurred had we done nothing at all but the sick stay home when sick.

Healthy people would have gone about their lives. Elderly and those with co-morbidities would have distanced and stayed home, and we still would have lost the one percent + of the most vulnerable, as we do with the flu- the elderly and already sick. Kids would have continued to go to school. None of this had to happen. But hey, billions of dollars were made by Pharma and more millions were scooped up by scammers in the "pandemic funding" so at least someone made out well, eh?

"Criminals have stolen close to $100 billion in pandemic relief funds, the U.S. Secret Service said Tuesday.

The stolen funds were diverted by fraudsters from the Small Business Administration’s Paycheck Protection Program, the Economic Injury Disaster Loan program and a another program set up to dole out unemployment assistance funds nationwide."
 
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The kids who were left behind beg to disagree. Kids didn't even get sick, in any numbers at all. Yet the more unhinged states demanded to keep them at home for going on two years. Check the scores.

Exactly the same result we had would have occurred had we done nothing at all but the sick stay home when sick.

Healthy people would have gone about their lives. Elderly and those with co-morbidities would have distanced and stayed home, and we still would have lost the one percent + of the most vulnerable, as we do with the flu- the elderly and already sick. Kids would have continued to go to school. None of this had to happen. But hey, billions of dollars were made by Pharma and more millions were scooped up by scammers in the "pandemic funding" so at least someone made out well, eh?

"Criminals have stolen close to $100 billion in pandemic relief funds, the U.S. Secret Service said Tuesday.

The stolen funds were diverted by fraudsters from the Small Business Administration’s Paycheck Protection Program, the Economic Injury Disaster Loan program and a another program set up to dole out unemployment assistance funds nationwide."
Well, next time maybe they’ll know “better”?
Who knows?
 
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