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Evolution or descent with modification?

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by Aman777, Feb 20, 2019.

  1. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    Evolution "makes predictions". My fingerprints have all but disappeared causing me to drop things that I used to hold with a light grip. This is common as one ages, and gives another meaning to "losing one's grip". ^_^ Does evolution predict that this will be resolved in the future, and if so when? Further, can evolution explain why this phenomenon occurs in the first place? Has evolution decided that at a certain age older people should start dropping things?
     
  2. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    Not an important point; just an aside. Contact tas. He seems to be able to find lost posts.
     
  3. Speedwell

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    No, because in the state of nature to which evolution applies you would have been dead before that ever came up.
     
  4. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    All I want is a prediction.
     
  5. Speedwell

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    Evolution does not make a prediction in those circumstances.
     
  6. Astrophile

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    So far as I understand it, evolution is only likely to resolve this problem if your ability to hold onto things in old age increases the probability that your children and grandchildren will have children of their own.
     
  7. Subduction Zone

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    Why would you think that this is a problem that evolution would fix?

    Tell me, how much has this dropping of things affected your ability to pass on your genes? It sounds like you are past breeding or even child rearing age so how did this negatively affect you then? How does it negatively affect you even now?

    Questions like this tell us that you do not understand what you are debating against.
     
  8. Subduction Zone

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    Perhaps he drops his grandchildren on their heads?
     
  9. Subduction Zone

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    I do not think that has been the case. Let's not overstate things.
     
  10. OldWiseGuy

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    The ridges (fingerprints) on my fingertips are supposedly a product of evolution. So why should they wear off? I still need them. :mad:
     
  11. OldWiseGuy

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    I didn't make this up (maybe tas can find it in his archives).
     
  12. OldWiseGuy

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    How does healthy fingerprints help pass on my genes?
     
  13. Subduction Zone

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    Evolution does not create perfect life forms. It was never claimed to. Evolution works on good enough. Your fingers worked well enough for you to raise a family and pass on your genes. As your contribution to the success of your offspring goes down so does the effect of evolution on your life. Evolution is a thoughtless process that really does not "care" for individuals. Just as the weather does not care for an individual, but it can affect one.
     
  14. Subduction Zone

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    Exactly. It appears that you see your error.
     
  15. Subduction Zone

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    Then perhaps you misunderstood someone.
     
  16. OldWiseGuy

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    Nope. He was very clear that everything; thoughts, emotions, responses, all evolved.
     
  17. Aman777

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    Amen. Adam and Eve died some 800 years before Noah arrived on planet Earth. When the canopy on Adam's firmament was opened, it rained for 40 days and nights and the miles wide Earth of Adam dissolved into Lake Van, Turkey, 11,000 years ago, releasing the 450 ft long Ark into the Lake.

    Noah's grandsons, like Cain on Adam's Earth had NO other Human to marry so they married and produced children with the prehistoric people (sons of God) who had been on Earth for millions of years before the Ark arrived. Genesis 6:4 In this manner, God has produced the 7.7 Billion living Humans from the grandsons of one man. Our God is an awesome God. Amen?
     
  18. Speedwell

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    Because when they were evolved, humans didn't generally live long enough for it to become a problem. Evolution only "fixes" things which interfere with reproductive success. The dead don't reproduce.
     
  19. OldWiseGuy

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    Interesting theory.
     
  20. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    It is true that my (then) wife and I reproduced before I began to lose my grip. :tonguewink:
     
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