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Evolution or descent with modification?

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by Aman777, Feb 20, 2019.

  1. Aman777

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    It was caused when Noah's grandsons found that they had NO other Humans (descendants of Adam) to marry. Like Cain, they married and produced children with the descendants of the sons of God (prehistoric women) whose origin was in Water on the 5th Day. The genetics of Humanity was altered pointing our true origins to prehistoric people instead of Adam, the first and only common ancestor of Humans, who are the children of God.
     
  2. stevil

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    No atheist would advise you to take the word of any authority.
    You are an adult, capable of reason and understanding.

    IF you don't see the scientific method of discovery as a threat to your beliefs and if you are interested in science, you could invest your time into understanding what scientists have so far discovered about physical reality.
     
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  3. Aman777

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    I show that Science agrees, in every way, with Genesis. Therefore, it's not threat to me, but instead, is support for my beliefs. The only problem with Science is the False Theory of Evolution which is being forced down the throats of our little children. Such propaganda must be stopped to prevent the teachers from going to Hell.
     
  4. Ophiolite

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    Your anthropocentric obsession is quaint. Most biologists and "evolutionists" are interested in something other than humans. (Most palaeontologists aren't even interested in vertebrates.) The common ancestors you are referencing here in 99% of cases have only passing relevance to humans. As long as you maintain that narrow minded viewpoint you have little hope of perceiving reality.
     
  5. stevil

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    Teachers aren't going to hell for teaching science.
    There is nothing evil about using observations and measurements of reality to further our understanding.
     
  6. Aman777

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    Most evolutionists don't know that Adam, the common ancestor of ALL Humans, was made before the big bang of our cosmos, which was 13.8 billion years ago, in man's time. Since Adam was made before the common ancestor of all life on Earth, it is impossible that Humans evolved from Apes.

    Science has incorrectly identified prehistoric people (sons of God) as Humans (descendants of Adam). Noah, the first Human to walk on planet Earth arrived 11k years ago in the mountains of Ararat, exactly as God told us. If I'm wrong, no problem. Don't you wish you could say the same for yourself?
     
  7. Aman777

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    Today's teachers are in grave danger and no one is telling them. By force teaching the ToE to our children, SOME are offending those little ones who believe in Jesus, instead of the false ToE. Jesus tells us:

    Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in Me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

    Be careful of claiming that Science has all the facts and offending an innocent child.
     
  8. Ophiolite

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    That is interesting. I identify and highlight the problem you create for yourself by holding an anthropocentric view. You respond by reinforcing your narrow, limited anthropocentric view. That's not a very objective way of getting good answers.

    And the narrow, misleading focus continues. The failure to address its consequences continues. That's not science, that's obsession.

    Science methodology requires that we expect to be wrong. If you are wrong it means you have wasted your time posting tens of thousands of words about your unique idea. That's not a problem for me. I think it might well turn out to be one for you.
     
  9. Aman777

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    What is interesting is that my view agrees Scripturally, scientifically, historically and genetically and no one can show me where I'm wrong in any way. How many times have you found such a Truth? Want examples?
     
  10. Ophiolite

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    I do not require examples of delusional thinking, but thank you for the offer. What I would like is for you to recognise and address the significance of your anthropocentric bias. Avoiding it in post after post casts you in bad light.
     
  11. stevil

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    In our individual journey's to understand the playground of nature and reality and our human existence it makes sense for us to explore many avenues. Sometimes our exploration leads to the realisation that a particular path isn't true. This doesn't mean that we are a fool for going down this path. You cannot always go down the true path, because if you are really on a path of discovery then you don't know which path is the truth until you have first explored them.

    Science is a method of discovery based on observation, measurement, logic and theoretical. It includes theoretical ideas and that is tested/confirmed (in a lab) via experimentation of the physical world.

    Schools are under obligation of an inclusive secular governing body to teach science as a method of discovery of the physical world. Remember that an inclusive government is to represent many cultures, many beliefs, so they become secular (as in, not affiliated with any particular religion or culture).

    Churches teach their understanding/interpretation of the bible which is generally theory or theology based and has no lab for testing or confirmation. Churches are separate from government provided schools. You do not want your government telling you which religion to believe, which interpretation of the chosen scripture to believe. In free countries, you are free to decide which religion and which organisation you want to belong to. In this way, if you want your children to learn about the biblical account of the creation of species "kinds", you can choose to take your kids to Sunday school or perhaps a religious school which devotes some time to religious studies.

    If you believe that there are conflicts regarding the teachings of Creationism (from religious studies) and the teachings of Evolution (from science endeavours) then that is up to you on how to handle that? Which approach do you believe over the other? Do you keep an open mind to both? Do you disregard one because you prefer the other? And how do you then address the education of your own children? Do you let the kids learn both and let them decide for themselves how to resolve these conflicts? Do you take your kids out of school and home school them (neglecting to teach them the evolution part of the science curriculum?), do you try to influence your kids into believing the religious account over the scientific account?



    Well that's barbaric!
    I'm sure there is a more civilised way to deal with people that offend little ones.

    Science is a method of discovery.
    For science to continue as a discipline there needs to be unknown facts yet to be discovered.
     
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  12. Aman777

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    Here are some examples which no one can explain.

    1. Genesis 1:21 shows that every living creature that moveth was made from water the on 5th Day. Science agrees that all life on earth came from water. https://phys.org/news/2018-12-luca-universal-common-ancestor.html
    2. Genesis 2:4 shows that the big bang was on the 3rd Day and Genesis 1:16 shows that it was the 4th Day before the first Stars were made. Science agrees and shows that it was 180 million years after the bb when the first Stars lit up. This is evidence of how long a Day is to God. https://news.nationalgeographic.com/.../first-stars-universe-big-bang-edges-space-scie...
    3. Chromosone 2 fusion is evidence that Humans (descendants of Adam) were first made, long before any other person (descendants of L.U.C.A.) Genesis 2:4-7 shows that Adam was made the 3rd Day and prehistoric people on the 5th.

    Can anyone explain HOW ancient men, who wrote Genesis, knew and correctly showed many (I have more than 10) recently discovered scientific Truths? No delusional thinking or name calling accepted.
     
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    Evolution is the biggest lie ever dreamed up by people who had rejected God's Truth in Genesis. God tells us of these people of the last days who FORGOT about the flood which totally destroyed Adam's entire world (Kosmos). He calls them the "Scoffers of the last days" who are willingly ignorant of His Truth. Did you know that Adam's world, with all it's people, was totally dissolved in the flood?
     
  14. Ophiolite

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    I am quite prepared to respond to these points once you have addressed the issue of your anthropocentric bias. I have asked you do this multiple times and you have completely ignored the request. You say name calling and delusional thinking are unacceptable. Equally unacceptable is discourteously ignoring points relevant to the discussion. I trust your rudeness will end now.
     
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  15. Aman777

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    It's because I am sick and tired of people force teaching that Humans are nothing but evolved animals. Humans are God's children. He calls us the sons of God after we are born again Spiritually. Rom 8:14 It dehumanizes our little children, especially those who have been taught that we were made by the Hands of Jesus, and turns many of them away from God's Truth to man's changeable theories.

    Genesis 2:4-7 shows that Adam was made from the dust of the ground by Lord God/Jesus on the 3rd Day. Genesis 1:21 shows that Apes and "every living creature that moveth" was made on the 5th Day. Those who believe God can easily see that Humans were made BEFORE any other living creature. Now, it's your time to explain the recent scientific discoveries which were first written in Genesis.
     
  16. Ophiolite

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    Thank you for finally responding.

    Please note that these two sentences have, potentially, vastly different meanings:

    1. Humans are nothing but evolved animals
    2. Humans are evolved animals

    A problem I have with the first example is that it denigrates animals and promotes an attittude that has led to the indifference of vivisection, the cruelty of factory farming and the disregard for the environment that is causing the extinction of creatures great and small. If God did make mankind stewards of the Earth we deserve to be dismissed for the job we have done to date.
     
  17. stevil

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    There are many Scientists who are Christians and also accept evolution.
    Not all varieties of Christianity reject the evidence based evolutionary scientific findings.


    This bit has nothing to do with science based evolution theory. These two parts of your posts don't lead to each other, they are non sequitur.
     
  18. stevil

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    Humans are animals, we are mammals and in particular primates.

    In your belief system, could we not be both animals AND god's children?

    Being animals and mammals and primates does not dehumanise us. It joins us to the world of all living creatures. I think it is a beautiful thing.

    It doesn't make sense to reject evidence simply because you don't like the idea that we too are animals.
    If evolution is the path that god took in creating humans, why would you reject god's beautiful path rather than stand in awe and wonder of it?
     
  19. FrumiousBandersnatch

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    You being sick and tired of people teaching something doesn't make those teachings false.

    If people are 'force teaching' that humans are 'nothing but evolved animals', they're doing it wrong. But I suspect you've exaggerated for emotional effect and/or due to emotional bias.
     
  20. Aman777

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    False, since Humans (descendants of Adam) have inherited the intelligence of God from Adam. Genesis 3:22 NO other living creature has the ability to know both good and evil, which is why one of the definitions of God is The Judges. Humans were made the 3rd Day Gen 2:4-7 and "every living creature that moveth" was created and brought forth from water on the 5th Day. Gen 1:21

    Amen, which is WHY I know that Jesus is coming soon. He tells us that He returns to Earth, just in time to keep "ALL Flesh" from being destroyed. Mat 24:22 Mar 13:20 Whether it is from a Nuclear War or climate change, I fear it might come to pass as a result of the policies of the current administration. Animals are innocent but Humans are the destroyers of worlds.
     
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