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Evolution or descent with modification?

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by Aman777, Feb 20, 2019.

  1. Aman777

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    The definition of evolution is changes within species over time within a population.
    That sounds a whole lot like:
    God shows descent with modification within kinds over time within a population in Genesis.

    The only difference I see is that evolution eliminates God from the equation. Amen?
     
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  2. Ophiolite

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    I apologise if I've asked you before, but if I did I received no meaning ful reply: do you also post in English?
     
  3. dickyh995

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    Nope, wrong way round. There is no need for an additional variable in the Theory.
     
  4. Speedwell

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    No, the theory of evolution only eliminates "kinds" from the equation. It says nothing about the existence of God, one way or the other.
     
  5. Aman777

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    It's obvious that you don't know the difference between kinds. Amen?
     
  6. Aman777

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    Why? since there are only two kinds. Such is a rejection of Genesis 2:7 which tells us how Lord God/Jesus made Adam like a potter molds the clay. The ToE claims ignorance of today's Humans beginnings. We only deal with people who are already here instead of where they came from, they whine.

    Admitting two ignorant ideas while offering blasphemy of their own, these same people force teach our children that they evolved from the common ancestor of Apes. They offend our babies who believe in Jesus instead of magical generation.
     
  7. Aman777

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    Sure there is since today's evolutionists claim ignorance of where life originated, which means they don't know the difference between His and Their kinds. They don't know the difference between temporal and immortal Humans which means they need to add to their incomplete ToE.
     
  8. Bungle_Bear

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    The origins of life are irrelevant to evolution, as you well know by now given the number of times it has been explained to you. And the difference between His, Their and Her kinds (why do you always ignore Her kinds?) is merely a linguistic construct of Jacobean English, as I also know you are well aware since I have spent many posts making this abundantly clear to you.
     
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  9. Aman777

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    Should I take the word of an unbeliever or of God? God tells us that Lord God made Adam like a Potter molds the clay. Evolutionism teaches that there was NO first man.
     
  10. Bungle_Bear

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    God did not write the Bible, men did. God did not translate it into English, other men did. The English translation you favour doesn't say what you claim it says.

    Basically, you should take this ex-believer's word over yours because I know a lot more about it than you do.
     
  11. Aman777

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    The "holy" men who penned the words were "moved" by the Holy Spirit from inside them. 2Pe 1:21

    Do you think God has the power to bring His Holy Word to us, even through mortal mankind? I do.

    Those who are born Spiritually and Eternally by God the Trinity are fellowcitizens with the saints in heaven. Eph 2:19 Amen?
     
  12. inquiring mind

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    Nope, doesn't eliminate "kinds" either... it is much more probable to me that God could have created all the different “kinds”, plant and animal, in stages since there is no convincing evidence of a complete progressive transformation as macroevolution would have it. Just a lot of microevolution happening, that's all.
     
  13. Ophiolite

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    Good luck refuting the ten of thousands of research papers in anatomy, zoology, botanty, microbiology, biochemistry, genetics, palaeontology, biogeography and the like that provide so much evidence it might well have had Thomas declaring "Wow! How could I ever have doubted."

    True, I'm not wholly convinced, since the methodology of science never proves anything absolutely, but there is no alternative explanation that even comes close. Certainly I reject your simplistic vision and , were I a Christian, I would be affronted by your decision to ignore and reject the Word of God as written in the rocks and inscribed in our DNA.
     
  14. Speedwell

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    Not convincing to you, anyway. But the fact remains that the theory of evolution does not deny the existence of God or His authorship of our being. To say it does is a lie, a betrayal of the Great Commission and a disgrace to the Christian faith.
     
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  15. pitabread

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    What is a "complete progressive transformation" supposed to mean?
     
  16. Speedwell

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    That IM doesn't know what a transitional fossil is.
     
  17. Aman777

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    Since there are only two kinds, mortal and immortal, when you attempt to eliminate them from the creation story, you eliminate Their (Trinity) kind and His (Jesus) kind.

    Amen, and this is proven Scripturally and Scientifically in Genesis. The beginning of our Cosmos was on the 3rd Day Genesis 2:4. The first Stars lit up on the 4th Day Genesis 1:16. Science announced this in 2018.
    https://news.nationalgeographic.com/.../first-stars-universe-big-bang-edges-space-scie...Feb 28, 2018 - Now, scientists peering back into deep time suggest that the earliest stars didn't turn on until about 180 million years after the big bang, when the universe as we know it exploded into existence.

    Can anyone tell us how ancient men could have known the above?
     
  18. Aman777

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    It means that it took a long time for each generation of creatures to INHERIT genetic changes in a population. Since there is no such thing as evolution, but only descent with modifications within His and Their kinds, this limits it to micro evolution. No wild speculative magical evolution needed. The process is sexual and not magical as some ardent evolutionists claim.
     
  19. inquiring mind

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    How does my comment reject the Word of God? We know nothing of His methods and use of time-frames. You will never find enough written in the rocks and inscribed in our DNA to say "it definitely happened this way or He did it like this."
     
  20. inquiring mind

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    Maybe you're addressing the many non-believing proponents of macroevolution. As for me, disregarding God's Word everytime an evolutionist tells me 'this or that' couldn't have happened, or this is how He did it according to our reasoning, is not a betrayal of the Great Commission and a disgrace to the Christian faith.
     
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