claninja
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You were citing Psalms 85:1.
Psalms 85 is looking way into the future in spite of the tense. If you go to Pslams 2:6-7, it is written the same way, but at the time it was written is looking way into the future to the end times.
Ezekiel 39:25 Therefore this is what the Lord GOD says: ‘Now I will restore Jacob from captivity and will have compassion on the whole house of Israel, and I will be jealous for My holy name
Using psalm 2:6-7 for the verb tenses is a solid counter argument Douggg.
So since we disagree on the interpretation of psalm 85:1, we have to make the picture bigger. There are typically types and anti-types. The types (shadows) being the present situation, the anti-types (reality) pointing towards the future fulfillment in Christ.
So we can also see this with the phrase "restoring the fortunes of Jacob/restoring Jacob from captivity". While this phrase points to the immediate situation of the prophecy, as the people were sent into captivity and then restored by God through the proclamation of Cyrus, it's anti-type is ultimately fulfilled in Christ.
Let's start with present situation in the context of the prophecy, the Babylonian exile:
Psalm 85:1 is generally accepted as being written just after the Babylonian exile, when the Jews returned. Thus the type (shadow) was fulfilled upon return from the Babylonian exile.
Psalm 85:1 You showed favor to Your land, O LORD; You restored Jacob from captivity. You forgave the iniquity of Your people; You covered all their sin.
Let's expand to other prophecies using the phrase "restoring the fortunes of Jacob/restoring Jacob from captivity". Notice Jeremiah specifically mentions Israel being restored to "this place" and "from captivity" AFTER the Babylonian exile. He is specifically writing to the exiles who were taken from Jerusalem by Babylon. Thus ,the immediate context (type) in regards to "restoring from captivity" is the Babylonian exile.
Jeremiah 29:10-11 For this is what the LORD says: “When Babylon’s seventy years are complete, I will attend to you and confirm My promise to restore you to this place. For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans to prosper you and not to harm you, to give you a future and a hope. Then you will call upon Me and come and pray to Me, and I will listen to you. You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. I will be found by you, declares the LORD, and I will restore you from captivity and gather you from all the nations and places to which I have banished you, declares the LORD. I will restore you to the place from which I sent you into exile.”
God restored the fortunes of Jacob because of and through Christ. Notice the ruler arises "from their midst" when Israel had already been drawn back to the land and "the city" rebuilt. Jesus came in the flesh and ascended when Jerusalem had already been rebuilt as a city.
Jeremiah 30:18 Thus says the Lord: Behold, I will restore the fortunes of the tents of Jacob and have compassion on his dwellings; the city shall be rebuilt on its mound, and the palace shall stand where it used to be.
Jeremiah 30:31 Their leader will be one of their own, and their ruler will arise from their midst.
And I will bring him near, and he will approach Me, for who would dare on his own to approach Me?
Again, Jeremiah mentions restoring the fortunes of Judah and Israel in context with Babylonians taking Israel in exile. This is another type, for after 70 years, God did restore the land to his people.
Jeremiah 33:4-6 For this is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says about the houses of this city and the palaces of the kings of Judah that have been torn down for defense against the siege ramps and the sword: Those who come to fight the Chaldeans will fill these houses with the corpses of their own men, whom I will strike down in My anger and in My wrath. I have hidden My face from this city because of all its wickedness. Nevertheless, I will bring to it health and healing, and I will heal its people and reveal to them the abundance of peace and truth. I will restore Judah and Israel from captivity and will rebuild them as in former times
Now, let's move to the anti-type, which is ultimately fulfilled in Christ:
The ultimate fulfillment (the anti-type) of the promises of God are found in Christ. This is the starting point.
2 Corinthians 1:20 For all the promises of God are “Yes” in Christ. And so through Him, our “Amen” is spoken to the glory of God.
It is ultimately Christ who freed the captives to sin and brought them to him. He restored us from our captivity to sin. He is the son who set us free.
Luke 4:17-19 And the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was given to him. He unrolled the scroll and found the place where it was written, “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives
and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”
Galatians 5:1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
Ephesians 4:8 Therefore it says, “When he ascended on high he led a host of captives, and he gave gifts to men.”
John 8:36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
For David wrote that God would restore his captive people during a time when Israel was not in exile, pointing towards the salvation that comes only from Christ, the ultimate anti-type
Psalm 14:7 Oh, that the salvation of Israel would come from Zion! When the LORD restores His captive people, let Jacob rejoice, let Israel be glad.
Just as both coming out of Egypt and coming out of exile are both types of coming out of the bondage of sin through Christ.
Jeremiah 23:7-8 So behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when they will no longer say, ‘As surely as the LORD lives, who brought the Israelites out of the land of Egypt.’ Instead, they will say, ‘As surely as the LORD lives, who brought and led the descendants of the house of Israel from the land of the north and from all the other countries to which I had banished them.’ They will dwell once more in their own land.”
Ezekiel 39:28, is the bringing back all of the house of Israel to the land of Israel, when Jesus returns. It corresponds to Matthew 24:31.
Ezekiel 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there..
ALL of Jacob is the remnant of Israel because not all of Israel is Israel. Notice the Hebrew parallelism
Micah 2:12 I will surely assemble all of you, O Jacob; I will gather the remnant of Israel;
Thus all of those intended to receive the promises of God is ALL of Israel, which is the remnant.
Additionally, in the following verse of Ezekiel 39:29 God pours out his spirit. This happened at Pentecost ~2000 years ago.
It corresponds to Matthew 24:31.
I disagree. I would argue Matthew 24:31 refers to the resurrection at the coming of Christ with his angels
Ezekiel 38:16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes
Again Douggg, this does not say Israel was gathered back into the land in the "latter days". It says Gog would come against the land in the "latter days".
No, Ezekiel 39:29 is after Jesus has returne
The spirit was poured out at Pentecost douggg, see acts 2.
It been shown countless times at this forum that Gog/Magog of Ezekiel 38/39 is not Satan's final rebellion in Revelation 20:7-9. It is a waste of time to keep going over it.
In your opinion maybe it has.
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