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Time of the end in Daniel 12:4 is characterized by increases in transportation and knowledge.

Unlike computers, internet, cars, airplanes, cell phones of our day. Parable of the fig tree generation is Jerusalem, 1967, end times are now. EU end times version of the Roman Empire. 1290 days still future.
Really? Seriously? 1967?
That's novel............

According to that view, it must have been when the Kingdom of God came upon Jerusalem. [sure don't look that way to me for some reason]

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/matthew-24-mark-13-and-lukes-temple-jerusalem-discourses-har
Matt 24:32 Mar 13:28 Luk 21:29 Fig tree simile

Matthew 24:
32 ‘And from the fig-tree<4808> learn ye the simile:
When already its branch may have become tender, and the leaves it may put forth, ye know that summer<2330> [is] nigh,
33 so also ye, when ye may see all these,
ye know that it is nigh — at the doors.
Mark 13:

28 ‘And from the fig-tree learn ye the simile:
when the branch may already become tender, and may put forth the leaves, ye know that nigh is the summer<2330>;
29 so ye, also, when these ye may see coming to pass,
ye know that it is nigh, at the doors.

What is nigh at the doors? The Kingdom of God and the parousia...........

Luke 21:
29 And he spake a simile to them: ‘See the fig-tree, and all the trees,
30 when they may now cast forth, having seen, of yourselves
ye know that now is the summer<2330? nigh;
31 Thus also ye whenever ye may be seeing these-things becoming
ye are knowing that nigh<1451> is the Kingdom of the God.

Revelation 6:
13 and the stars of the heaven fell to the land — as a fig-tree doth cast the ruined-ones of it by a great wind being shaken
16 - and they say to the mountains and to the rocks,
'Fall upon us, and hide us from the face of Him who is sitting upon the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb,
Hosea 10:8 And they are destroyed high places of vanity sin of Israel
thorn and weed shall come up on their altars,
and they say to mountains<2022> 'cover us<3680>' and to hills<1389> 'fall on us'
Luke 23:30 "Then they shall be beginning to be saying to the mountains<3735> 'be falling upon us!' and
to the hills<1015> 'cover<2572>us!'". [Hosea 10:8][Matthew 24:15]

I have a thread on that for those interested:

Luke 23:30 "..Mountains fall on us, hills cover us.."
 
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The fourth beast/kingdom in Daniel 7:7 was the Roman Empire. Yes.

The Roman Empire in Daniel 7:7 had ten horns/kingdoms. Since these were "in his head" (Daniel 7:20), they were also Roman. No, not ten kingdoms.

These ten Roman kingdoms emerged from the dissolution of Roman Empire. No
You obviously don't know your history. 10 Gothic kingdoms replaced the Roman empire in Europe.

In AD 476 the last Roman Emperor, Augustulus was forced out of office by the Goths. The retstraint mentioned by Paul in 2 Thess. 2 was now fully out of the way. The Roman Empire was divided between 10 Gothic4 tribes., the Heruli, the Suevi, the Burgundians, the Huns, the Otrogoths, the Visigoths, the Lombards the Franks and the Saxons.. 10 iin all.

The little horn was to pluck up three of these kingdoms, the papacy did just this., he overthrew the Heruli under Odacer,in 493, the Vandals in 534, the Ostrogoths in 553. their kingdoms in Italy became the Papal States which he ruled from that time till AD 1870 when the Prussians invaded France and the French troops who defended the Vatican left Rome to defend Paris and Victor Emmanuel king of Italy took all the papal posessions in Italy leaving him only hia palace. The Popes who in the same year, 1870, sulked and refused to come out of their palace till 1926 when Mussolini gave the papacy the Vatican State.
 
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The kingdom of God was available to Jerusalem and Israel but they did not receive Jesus as their King of Israel

Yes, the Kingdom of God was available to them, and to the whole world, because Jesus had already established it.

Their refusal to receive Him in no way prevented its establishment.
 
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Yes, the Kingdom of God was available to them, and to the whole world, because Jesus had already established it.

Their refusal to receive Him in no way prevented its establishment.
The Jews rejection of Jesus to be their King delayed the Kingdom of God from being setup in their day, and was known by God that this would happen, which the Kingdom of God will not be the ruling Kingdom here on earth over all human Kingdoms until the end times prophecies are fulfilled, of the ten kings, and the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9, and the 7th trumpet of Revelation is sounded.

Revelaton 10:5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,

6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

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We are living in the end times. Not the reformers and their miscalculated eschatology. We have seen Israel become a nation again. And Jerusalem in the hand of the Jews, and the capital of Israel.
 
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nlike computers, internet, cars, airplanes, cell phones of our day. Parable of the fig tree generation is Jerusalem, 1967, end times are now. EU end times version of the Roman Empire. 1290 days still future.

You are really out of it there.
  • Luke 21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
  • 30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
  • 31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
Do you not really see the teaching here. "When you see the fig tree, and all the trees; sprout in the spring then you know summer is comming, so when you see Jerusalem surrounded by the pagan Roman armies with their idolotrous ensigns and the great Roman Eagle surrounding Jerusalem, aka the abomionation of desolation, then you know that the temple and the city will be desolated.
  • Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
What was to desolate Jerusalem and the temple? The Roman armies.
 
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Yes, the Kingdom of God was available to them, and to the whole world, because Jesus had already established it.

Their refusal to receive Him in no way prevented its establishment.

But thousands did receive him, before their nation was taken away.
 
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You are really out of it there.
  • Luke 21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
  • 30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
  • 31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
Do you not really see the teaching here. "When you see the fig tree, and all the trees; sprout in the spring then you know summer is comming, so when you see Jerusalem surrounded by the pagan Roman armies with their idolotrous ensigns and the great Roman Eagle surrounding Jerusalem, aka the abomionation of desolation, then you know that the temple and the city will be desolated.
  • Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
What was to desolate Jerusalem and the temple? The Roman armies.

All the trees in Luke 21:29 is talking about all the nations in the end times prophecies in place. These would include the nations involved in Gog/Magog, the muslim nations, Russia. Also, the Kingdom of the little horn, the EU, the end times Roman Empire emergence.

Luke 21:20 is 70 AD. I don't disagree with that.

Matthew 24:1-2 70AD
Matthew 24:3- 14 historic up to Jesus's return.
Matthew 24:15-31 end times, with verse 15 (the AOD) beginning on day 1185 of the 7 years.

Luke 21:6-19 historic up to Jesus's return
Luke 21:20-23 70AD
Luke 21:24 historic to present
Luke 21:25-26 during the great tribulation, end times
Luke 21:27 Jesus's Second coming at the end of the great tribulation
Luke 21:28 end times, right now - the present
Luke 21:29-36 end times, parable of the fig tree, before the Day of the Lord.

Mark 13:1-2 70AD
Mark 13:5-13 historic to present
Mark 13:14-27 end times, with verse 14 (the AOD) beginning on day 1185 of the 7 years
Mark 13:28-32 end times, parable of the fig tree, rapture/resurrection event, no one knows the day nor hour.
 
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The Jews rejection of Jesus to be their King delayed the Kingdom of God from being setup in their day, and was known by God that this would happen, which the Kingdom of God will not be the ruling Kingdom here on earth over all human Kingdoms until the end times prophecies are fulfilled, of the ten kings, and the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9, and the 7th trumpet of Revelation is sounded.

The Holy Spirit, Jesus, Matthew, and Paul disagree.


Matthew 12:28
But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

Romans 14:17
for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.

Colossians 1:13
For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,

Hebrews 12:28
Therefore, since we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us show gratitude, by which we may offer to God an acceptable service with reverence and awe;
 
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The Holy Spirit, Jesus, Matthew, and Paul disagree.

Why do you have to turn everything into confrontation?

First you want to make a contest between James (Biblewriter) and the reformers, of who is the biggest martyr.
Then you want to make a contest between the founders of the Constitution of the United
States and the reformers, of who is the biggest martyr.
Then you want to make a contest between God and Himself, over the passages in Revelation and verses in other parts of the New Testament.

Stop speaking on behalf of God. You are not a prophet.

You are the one who is disagreeing with me, and vice versa. You can say "I" disagree with you Douggg, because.... something like that.
 
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Why do you have to turn everything into confrontation?

First you want to make a contest between James (Biblewriter) and the reformers, of who is the biggest martyr.
Then you want to make a contest between the founders of the Constitution of the United
States and the reformers, of who is the biggest martyr.
Then you want to make a contest between God and Himself, over the passages in Revelation and verses in other parts of the New Testament.

Stop speaking on behalf of God. You are not a prophet.

You are the one who is disagreeing with me, and vice versa. You can say "I" disagree with you Douggg, because.... something like that.

Which of those verses agrees with you that the Kingdom of God was delayed?
 
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Which of those verses agrees with you that the Kingdom of God was delayed?
none of them. They are not talking about the Kingdom of God being setup here on earth as the ruling kingdom over all human kingdoms.

The verses are talking about it being possible for a person to be a part of the Kingdom of God. All Christians are a part of the Kingdom of God; they become a part of the Kingdom of God when they embrace Jesus as their savior; but the Kingdom of God has not been setup yet to be the ruling kingdom over all human kingdoms. That doesn't happen until the ten kings are in place, and Jesus's returns, as they try to make war on Him.
 
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none of them. They are not talking about the Kingdom of God being setup here on earth as the ruling kingdom over all human kingdoms.

The verses are talking about it being possible for a person to be a part of the Kingdom of God. All Christians are a part of the Kingdom of God, but the Kingdom of God has not been setup yet to be the ruling kingdom over all human kingdoms. That doesn't happen until the ten kings are in place, and Jesus's returns, as they try to make war on him.

Nowhere in those verses is there the slightest suggestion of an earthly Kingdom of God of your expectation.

The Kingdom of God of which they speak was an already established and active and incontrovertibly spiritual kingdom.

It's an ever growing kingdom.

We're either in it, or we're not.

No waiting necessary.
 
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Nowhere in those verses is there the slightest suggestion of an earthly Kingdom of God of your expectation.

The Kingdom of God of which they speak was an already established and active and incontrovertibly spiritual kingdom.

It's an ever growing kingdom.

We're either in it, or we're not.

No waiting necessary.
The Kingdom of God has not been setup as the ruling kingdom here on earth over all human kingdoms yet - evidenced by all the violence on the earth, and evil.

When Jesus returns to setup the Kingdom of God here on earth, he will rule with a rod of iron.

Changes are coming.
 
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Which of those verses agrees with you that the Kingdom of God was delayed?

none of them. They are not talking about the Kingdom of God being setup here on earth as the ruling kingdom over all human kingdoms.

So which scripture verses do?
 
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The Kingdom of God has not been setup as the ruling kingdom here on earth over all human kingdoms yet - evidenced by all the violence on the earth, and evil.

When Jesus returns to setup the Kingdom of God here on earth, he will rule with a rod of iron.

Changes are coming.

Wait... so are you saying that one day in the future, during this rod of iron rule, even the unrepentant will share in Christ's victory over Sin, Evil and Satan?

Is that the "changes" you say "are coming"?
 
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The Jews rejection of Jesus to be their King delayed the Kingdom of God from being setup in their day

If there is any "Church Age Dispensation" or "1948" or "Computerized mark" to be found in prophetic scripture, then your insistence that the Kingdom was delayed because of the actions of men demonstrates that Jesus knew NOTHING about it. There is no way around it. Since Jesus was, in your view, offering a conditional Kingdom arrival back in the first century, then that makes Jesus entirely ignorant of the Long Church Age Dispensation, ignorant of 1948, and ignorant of any computerized mark that is inserted into one's hand! This fact alone entirely destroys the main tenets of futurism.
 
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So which scripture verses do?
Matthew 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation [the end times nation of Israel] bringing forth the fruits thereof.
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Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel [Jesus will return to be the King]?

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

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Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

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Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ [the Jews, the end times nation of Israel]: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God
day and night.
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Revelation 10:5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,

6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

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Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
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Psalm 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

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Ezekiel 39:
17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.

18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.

19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.

20 Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD.

21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

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The Kingdom of God is not set up on this earth to rule over all human kingdoms until Jesus returns.
 
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43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation [the end times nation of Israel] bringing forth the fruits thereof.

In the parable of the wicked husbandmen in Matthew 21, the wicked husbandmen represent Israel, who killed the prophets and the Son.

God will not be giving His kingdom back to the wicked husbandmen.
 
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Matthew 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation [the end times nation of Israel] bringing forth the fruits thereof.


When do you say Jesus took the Kingdom from them?
Or do you believe that is yet to happen?
Are we still waiting from the Kingdom to be taken from the 1st Century Jewish Leaders?
 
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