Eschatological and Millennial Theories and their problems.

[seventysevens]

The 1000 years end on earth's last day,

what scripture is that ?

 

[Dave L]

what scripture is that ?

The 1000 years end when the world ends. Why? Because Jesus must reign until he destroys the last enemy - death. This he does in the resurrection on the last day. So this places Gog and Magog and the great battle taking place on the last day.

 

[Dave L]

WRONG WRONG WRONG

Since when are souls under the altar physical?

 

[seventysevens]

The 1000 years end when the world ends.

Where is that in the bible ? not your opinion

 

[BABerean2]

You have been shown that and many many other truths that you continue to reject from many many people , even some of the most basic doctrine you refuse to accept in favor of a doctrine that makes no sense

This forum is not about either of us.
New people show up every week.

Why don't you show them how 2 Timothy 4:1, and "the time of the judgment of the dead" in Revelation 11:18, fit into your doctrine.

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[Dave L]

Where is that in the bible ? not your opinion

“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.” (2 Peter 3:10)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Dave L said: ↑
The 1000 years end on earth's last day,

what scripture is that ?

The 1000 years end when the world ends. Why? Because Jesus must reign until he destroys the last enemy - death. This he does in the resurrection on the last day. So this places Gog and Magog and the great battle taking place on the last day.

Where is that in the bible ? not your opinion

Oh my goodness........going on 51 pages and over a 1000 posts and this argument is still going.............

 

[Dave L]

OK - do you expect the "restoration of all things" to be different, or do you believe in "Christo-Platonism"?

https://www.epm.org/blog/2013/Jun/12/christoplatonism

This is a loaded question I cannot answer.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

OK - do you expect the "restoration of all things" to be different, or do you believe in "Christo-Platonism"?

https://www.epm.org/blog/2013/Jun/12/christoplatonism

What the heck is "Christo-Platonism"? LLoJ goes to look it up:

https://www.epm.org/blog/2013/Jun/12/christoplatonism
The Problem with Christoplatonism

Christoplatonism—there’s a word that you don’t hear every day. It’s actually a word that I made up (probably the only word I’ve ever made up!) and used in my comprehensive Heaven book to speak of the Christianized philosophy of Plato.

http://mikevlach.blogspot.com/2011/04/models-of-eschatology-part-3-dangers-of.html

Models of Eschatology Part 3: The Dangers of Christoplatonism

As we discuss models of eschatology it is necessary to discuss how Platonism has affected Christian views on eschatology. To do so I want to mention some ideas from Randy Alcorn who has specifically addressed the impact of Platonism on Christian eschatology. He has coined the term, Christoplatonism.

As the title suggests, Christoplatonism is a philosophy that “has blended elements of Platonism with Christianity.”

 

[seventysevens]

“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.” (2 Peter 3:10)

As been said many times already you refuse what Peter said

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

1 day is as a thousand years !

Even if you want to say that 1000 years is not a literal thousand years - it still a very very very Loooooonnnnggg time which eliminates your notion that it happens at Jesus arrival - the earth and atmosphere burning for a thousand years


and still you ignore intentionally all the scriptures that speak of ruling and reigning and satan being locked up and satan deceiving people after he is released

you are like a dog chasing it's tail , every time you are shown your error and all the errors that follow it , you start all over again with the same folly , it is like talking with an atheist insisting creation is not of God

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

This forum is not about either of us.
New people show up every week.
Why don't you show them how 2 Timothy 4:1, and "the time of the judgment of the dead" in Revelation 11:18, fit into your doctrine.
.

AH yes.
I think we are in need of some fresh nOoBy blood on here.
The same ole songs still get played on here day after day after day....And still no one quotes my posts......
Case in point:

Dave L said: ↑
“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.” (2 Peter 3:10)

As been said many times already you refuse what Peter said

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

1 day is as a thousand years !

Even if you want to say that 1000 years is not a literal thousand years - it still a very very very Loooooonnnnggg time which eliminates your notion that it happens at Jesus arrival - the earth and atmosphere burning for a thousand years


and still you ignore intentionally all the scriptures that speak of ruling and reigning and satan being locked up and satan deceiving people after he is released

you are like a dog chasing it's tail , every time you are shown your error and all the errors that follow it , you start all over again with the same folly , it is like talking with an atheist insisting creation is not of God

 

[Dave L]

As been said many times already you refuse what Peter said

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

1 day is as a thousand years !

Even if you want to say that 1000 years is not a literal thousand years - it still a very very very Loooooonnnnggg time which eliminates your notion that it happens at Jesus arrival - the earth and atmosphere burning for a thousand years


and still you ignore intentionally all the scriptures that speak of ruling and reigning and satan being locked up and satan deceiving people after he is released

you are like a dog chasing it's tail , every time you are shown your error and all the errors that follow it , you start all over again with the same folly , it is like talking with an atheist insisting creation is not of God

Peter is not creating a doctrine. He's telling people not to get nervous by thinking Christ is tardy.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

seventysevens said: ↑
As been said many times already you refuse what Peter said

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
1 day is as a thousand years !

Peter is not creating a doctrine. He's telling people not to get nervous by thinking Christ is tardy.

We know that Dave......This appears to be more of a private debate between you and "seventysevens".
Be that as it may, since no one responded to my post here........here it is again

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...-their-problems.8071615/page-49#post-72957987

Mark 1:15
And saying, "Has been filled the Time, and has drawn nigh/hggiken <1448> the Kingdom of the God.
Be ye reforming/repenting! and be ye believing! in the Good-Message.

1 Peter 4:7
Of all-things/pantwn <3956> yet the End Has drawn nigh/hggiken <1448>;
be sane then, and be sober into the prayers,

James 5:8
be patient! and stand-fast! the hearts of ye,
that the Parousia <3952> of the Lord has drawn nigh/hggiken <1448>;

Romans 13:11
And this knowing the time, that hour it-is already out of sleep to be roused, for now nearer/egguteron <1452> of us the Salvation than when we believed.
12 The Night progresses, the yet Day has drawn nigh/hggiken <1448>.
We should be putting off then the works of the Darkness, we should be putting on the implements of the Light.

Revelation 12:10
And I hear great voice saying in the Heaven "now became the Salvation and the power and the Kingdom of the God of us, and the authority of the Christ of Him,
that was cast the Accuser of the brothers of us, the accusing them in sight of the God of us day and night.

Revelation 1:3
Blessed/happy the one reading, and the ones hearing, the Words of the Prophecy, and keepings in it having been Written/gegrammena <1125> (5772),
for the Time is nigh/egguV <1451>.

Revelation 22:10
And he is saying to me "no thou should be sealing the Words of the Prophecy of the Scroll, this.
For the Time Is-nigh/egguV <1451>

Daniel 12:4
And thou, O Daniel, hide the things, and seal the Scroll till the time of the end,
many do go to and fro, and knowledge is multiplied.'

 

[BABerean2]

As been said many times already you refuse what Peter said

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

1 day is as a thousand years !

Even if you want to say that 1000 years is not a literal thousand years - it still a very very very Loooooonnnnggg time which eliminates your notion that it happens at Jesus arrival - and still you ignore intentionally all the scriptures that speak of ruling and reigning and satan being locked up and satan deceiving people after he is released

you are like a dog chasing it's tail , every time you are shown your error and all the errors that follow it , you start all over again with the same folly , it is like talking with an atheist insisting creation is not of God

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with
fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.
(The language above is found in 1 Thessalonians chapter 5, and Revelation 16:15-16, which are Second Coming passages.)

2Pe 3:11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?

2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

What is Peter looking for in the verse above?
I am looking for the same thing.
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[Riberra]

What comes to mind for me is that Jesus Himself said that no one knows the time or the day but the Father, and that in light of this, that we are to be "ready", always.

It is also written that He will come as a "thief in the night".

But it is possible for those who read the Book of Revelation to know the season...The season will be When the armies will be gathered for the Battle of Armageddon.

Revelation 16:15-17

15 (Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walked naked, and they see his shame.) 16 And they gathered them together into the place which is called in Hebrew Har-magedon.

17 And the seventh poured out his bowl upon the air; and there came forth a great voice out of the temple, from the throne, saying, It is done:

 

[brinny]

But it is possible for those who read the Book of Revelation to know the season...

Revelation 16:15-17


15 (Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walked naked, and they see his shame.) 16 And they gathered them together into the place which is called in Hebrew Har-magedon.

17 And the seventh poured out his bowl upon the air; and there came forth a great voice out of the temple, from the throne, saying, It is done:

The indications that the end is near?

Sure.

But no date and time.

From what Jesus said, it will be as a "thief in the night".

 

[seventysevens]

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[Riberra]

The indications that the end is near?

Sure.

But no date and time.

From what Jesus said, it will be as a "thief in the night".

There is actually no indication that the End is near ...you may wish that the end is near.

.The season will be When the armies will be gathered for the Battle of Armageddon.

Revelation 16:15-17

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walked naked, and they see his shame. 16 And they gathered them together into the place which is called in Hebrew Har-magedon.

17 And the seventh poured out his bowl upon the air; and there came forth a great voice out of the temple, from the throne, SAYING, IT IS DONE:

 

[DavidPT]

Keep in mind Rev 20 is a spiritual setting, not physical. The souls under the altar set the tone for understanding the rest.

Even if that were the case, it still wouldn't matter.

In that other post, that was assuming the thousand years are meaning in this age, thus fulfilled prior to the 2nd coming. Per that scenerio, the analogy I used, the 1970's would be meaning the thousand years. The end coming in 2018 would be meaning at the end of satan's little season. If in 2018 the end comes but wouldn't be meaning it comes during the 1970s, in the same way, if the end comes at the end of satan's little season, the end didn't come during the thousand years instead. This still assuming a position that sees the fulfillment of the thousand years and satan's little season occurring in this age rather than the next age after Christ has returned.

It doesn't matter which age these things are fulfilled in though. In neither case can the end be during the thousand years itself. satan and those that join him, they are cast into the LOF after satan's little season, and not during the thousand years instead. Except for the beast and false prophet. They are cast into the LOF at the beginning of the thousand years, or maybe shortly before it initially begins. Premil is the only position that can work with that scenario though. Think about it. Where is satan during the thousand years? Is he not in the pit? How then can he get cast into the LOF during the thousand years? How can the end possibly occur during the thousand years then? It can't.

 

[brinny]

There is actually no indication that the End is near ...

.The season will be When the armies will be gathered for the Battle of Armageddon.

Revelation 16:15-17

15 (Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walked naked, and they see his shame.) 16 And they gathered them together into the place which is called in Hebrew Har-magedon.

17 [/b]And the seventh poured out his bowl upon the air; and there came forth a great voice out of the temple, from the throne, SAYING, IT IS DONE:[/b]

Yes, there will definitely be the "wrath" of a holy God poured out, yet BEFORE then, the devil will be running rampant and evil will increase, unbearably, such as is happening right now throughout the world. Lawlessness, lovers of their own selves, loving the darkness, etc.

This is as described in His Word.