Ecumenical Excesses

[InnerPhyre]

Let's just throw the requirement for sacramental confession out the window. Who needs it anyway? This is 2005. Next time I'm in a state of mortal sin, I'll just say "sorry, God" and march right up and receive the Eucharist. I think I'll also start taking communion at a Lutheran church...because clearly it can't do me any harm to commune with those not in the Church. And what does it mean to be in communion really? We all believe in Jesus more or less and salvation to some extent....so that's enough, right?

 

[Paul S]

Let's just throw the requirement for sacramental confession out the window. Who needs it anyway? This is 2005. Next time I'm in a state of mortal sin, I'll just say "sorry, God" and march right up and receive the Eucharist. I think I'll also start taking communion at a Lutheran church...because clearly it can't do me any harm to commune with those not in the Church. And what does it mean to be in communion really? We all believe in Jesus more or less and salvation to some extent....so that's enough, right?

Modernism at work - that's exactly what they want us to start believing.

 

[Dream]

The Pope here is not teaching, as head of the Church, a matter of faith and morals. Thus, infallibility does not apply, just as it didn't apply to John Paul's kissing the Koran. Popes can sin, even mortally. They're not impeccable.

...Your ticket to the cafeteria.

 

[InnerPhyre]

It's enough to drive one to SSPX

 

[Benedicta00]

Let's just throw the requirement for sacramental confession out the window. Who needs it anyway? This is 2005. Next time I'm in a state of mortal sin, I'll just say "sorry, God" and march right up and receive the Eucharist. I think I'll also start taking communion at a Lutheran church...because clearly it can't do me any harm to commune with those not in the Church. And what does it mean to be in communion really? We all believe in Jesus more or less and salvation to some extent....so that's enough, right?

I agree this is what happens when we follow this to its conclusion. I don’t like that the Church wants to give communion to those who aren’t Catholic- I hope the pope knows what he is doing is all I can say.

 

[Benedicta00]

It's enough to drive one to SSPX

but when you do that, where's you unity when it comes from the chair of peter?

 

[InnerPhyre]

And what happens when our faith is diluted to the point where it's unrecognizable? At least the SSPX aren't ashamed of who they are. No I wouldn't join them. It's just funny when the schismatics are more Catholic than Catholics.

 

[Dream]

And what happens when our faith is diluted to the point where it's unrecognizable? At least the SSPX aren't ashamed of who they are. No I wouldn't join them. It's just funny when the schismatics are more Catholic than Catholics.

More Catholic than the Pope. Boy, I've heard that one before.

 

[Benedicta00]

The Pope here is not teaching, as head of the Church, a matter of faith and morals. Thus, infallibility does not apply, just as it didn't apply to John Paul's kissing the Koran. Popes can sin, even mortally. They're not impeccable.

I agree that this may not be a slick move but I can live with the fact that bishops are not doing this willy nilly but with permission.

The deal is even if the pope makes a not so groovy move, what are we to do? Who else is the true Church, who else was given authority? No one.

 

[Benedicta00]

And what happens when our faith is diluted to the point where it's unrecognizable? At least the SSPX aren't ashamed of who they are. No I wouldn't join them. It's just funny when the schismatics are more Catholic than Catholics.

Mike, but trust has got to kick in here. Either the Spirit is leading this show or the gates are prevailing.

If the chair of Peter can be over come then all that we believe is false.

 

[Paul S]

...Your ticket to the cafeteria.

If the Pope had an affair with a woman, and had children with her, violating not only his vow of celibacy, but committing the mortal sin of fornication, should we approve?

Or, in more recent times... if the Pope appoints a cardinal who allowed known child molesters to remain priests as head of a major church in Rome, should we approve of that?

Popes can and do sin. They do not teach error as head of the Church, but can get discipline wrong.

 

[InnerPhyre]

Mike, but trust has got to kick in here. Either the Spirit is leading this show or the gates are prevailing.

If the chair of Peter can be over come then all that we believe is false.

Knowing that the ship isn't going to sink isn't an excuse to sit around and do nothing while the mast is on fire.

 

[Paul S]

Mike, but trust has got to kick in here. Either the Spirit is leading this show or the gates are prevailing.

If the chair of Peter can be over come then all that we believe is false.

God wins in the end, but Satan will likely win a few battles along the way.

And, even if the Pope allows non-Catholics to receive, it doesn't change one doctrine about the Eucharist.

 

[plainswolf]

Knowing that the ship isn't going to sink isn't an excuse to sit around and do nothing while the mast is on fire.

I can sure sympathize with you Mike, believe you me, but we can't let the bad example of a few prelates decide our view of the whole Church... Sometime I think these few churchmen who set bad examples are the ones who are just as reponsible for the disruption of the internal unity of the Church as the schismatics are..

But you're exactly right and you bring up a very important reminder to us all, it is our duty to pray very much for our Church and pastors, we can't just assume 'well the gates of Hell won't prevail', that is so but that does does not excuse any Catholic from their duty to pray for the Church. Because she can still loose a collossal amount of souls in the mean time.. Our cross and pennance is to stay within the Church and do what we can..


In my prayers Mike
Mark

 

[Benedicta00]

God wins in the end, but Satan will likely win a few battles along the way.

And, even if the Pope allows non-Catholics to receive, it doesn't change one doctrine about the Eucharist.

Oh definitely but what I mean is even if the pope makes a not so groovy move we have to put up with it. The Church always suffered from something in every age, all I’m saying is this is no reason to bail. Thee is no where else to go. What is important is no doctrine has changed through out the ages. The HS is still with the Church.

 

[Benedicta00]

Knowing that the ship isn't going to sink isn't an excuse to sit around and do nothing while the mast is on fire.

I agree.

 

[Paul S]

Oh definitely but what I mean is even if the pope makes a not so groovy move we have to put up with it. The Church always suffered from something in every age, all I’m saying is this is no reason to bail. Thee is no where else to go. What is important is no doctrine has changed through out the ages. The HS is still with the Church.

If you mean it's not a reason to leave the Church, absolutely correct. But we can and should try to charitably correct our brethren in Christ, even our superiors, who may be going astray.

Our faith is in the office of the Pope, not any individual Pope.

 

[Benedicta00]

If you mean it's not a reason to leave the Church, absolutely correct. But we can and should try to charitably correct our brethren in Christ, even our superiors, who may be going astray.

Our faith is in the office of the Pope, not any individual Pope.

Yes I agree.

 

[ProCommunioneFacior]

I am shocked by the occurences detailed in this thread. I do not know all of the circumstances nor do I know the intent of the Pope and Cardinals. However, I must say that this event could create further scandal, and I pray that it does not.

How many non-Catholics are going to think it is okay to receive the Eucharist now?

I agree with plainswolf, I hope the SSPX return to the fold to help battle this modernism.

By the way, how many people are part of SSPX? How many priests/bishops?

If the SSPX were to return to the fold, what would happen to the Bishops? They probably would not be heads of a diocese, what role will they play?

 

[Servus Iesu]

And what happens when our faith is diluted to the point where it's unrecognizable? At least the SSPX aren't ashamed of who they are. No I wouldn't join them. It's just funny when the schismatics are more Catholic than Catholics.

Happy are those who've never lived in times like this. Mark sent me a link to a beautiful homily by Bishop Fellay with solid Catholic teaching on penance and reparation. You'll never hear such things from the rest of the Catholic prelature. How can anyone find their way in these times?