Earth, heaven, and pointlessness

[Nihilist Virus]

It isn't pointless

C.S. Lewis — 'And as He spoke, He no longer looked to them like a lion; but the things that began ... and the title page: now at last they were beginning Chapter One of the Great Story which no one on earth has read: which goes on for ever: in which every chapter is better than the one before.” ― C.S. Lewis, The Last Battle.

So the purpose is to get to heaven to be with God... a reality which he could have actualized to the benefit of all involved... yet chose not to.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

"For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them." - Eph 2:10

This is why I exist. It is my job to discover those good works and perform them, while conforming to the character of Christ. Calling this life "pointless" misses the point.

Finally, an answer that I cannot easily dispute with little effort!

 

[Nihilist Virus]

God created us with the opportunity to have free will.
God prefers the love of those who choose to love Him
through free will rather than slavery. This option brings
death to man, so God devised a solution to free will.

Ok, but again, do we or don't we have free will in heaven? I assume that you believe we will. I assume you also believe that we won't use that free will to sin. So then I am left asking, "Why not just create us that way from the start?"

If you don't hold these assumptions I've saddled on you, please correct me.

Exodus 33:20 But He said, "You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!"

Part of God had to die so that man may live.
Jesus died to save us from death that we deserved.

Jer: 29 "Why do you contend with Me? You have all transgressed against Me," declares the LORD.

23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;

I don't see the relevance.

Suffering is due to pain. Pain is what keep your heart beating and urges you to take a breath.

Nonsensical.

You must be able to see better than God can both the past and the future.
I think not likely.

If God answers my question I'll share that here, but the track record is centuries of dead silence. So in the mean time I'm asking you all.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

You need to connect that question with exploring Christian views on angels and how that relates to our existence on earth. Like you did in your initial OP when you began with:

Likewise you need to provide more than just a question. Provide an examination of Christianity with its' views on angels and how that points to our existence on earth.

No thanks.

 

[JacksBratt]

So your answer is that you don't know the purpose of our existence? Thanks.

You have a good imagination. Is it common for you to do this. You know, take other peoples answers and create a fabricated explanation that you would be pleased with?

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

I'm not asking why he didn't just obliterate us. I'm asking why the earth phase couldn't have just been skipped entirely since that would seemingly be in everyone's best interests (including God).



Matthew 26:39.

He was 100% man 100% deity essentially the son of god. That was just the man part of him crying out. The man/flesh was going to die on the cross and it knew it. The spirit being was going to come up and resurrect.


Clearly we know God wanted this to be done... if he didn't we wouldn't hear so much about this in the OT.

Also I don't believe it was in his best interest to skip the Earth phase... partly becuase he didn't do it but because partly a lot of people would choose him. Sure as I stated already some choose hell but some choose God. Since many would still choose him there's no reason to skip the phase. Also If you read the bible God continued to make salvation easier as time went on... until the period we live in now where it's easier then it's ever been.. Like there's no reason to reset... it's so simple what to do and it's summarized in acts 2:38..

Also I think you mean it's in the best interest of people not including christians tbh for Earth to be reset. I wouldn't say it's in every human beings interest.


Also not sure what you even mean by skip the phase though... like you can't just skip to heaven...someones gotta end up up there.

 

[SkyWriting]

Ok, but again, do we or don't we have free will in heaven? I assume that you believe we will. I assume you also believe that we won't use that free will to sin. So then I am left asking, "Why not just create us that way from the start?"

God created us with the opportunity to have free will.
God prefers the love of those who choose to love Him
through free will rather than slavery.

Sinning in Heaven is not an option. Sin is separation from God.
That is not an option in Heaven because you are there.

 

[FireDragon76]

When you are in heaven (or on the new earth... Christian lingo is inconsistent here), will you have free will? As far as I understand it, even Calvanists believe in free will, that is, they believe that one can make a choice free of coercion. My understanding is that you will have free will in heaven but no desire to sin. Why didn't God create us like that to begin with?*

Maybe that is logically incoherent? Perhaps something about the process of fall and redemption adds something to us that would not be possible if we were simply created unable to sin. Like the free-will desire to love. Love requires risk and freedom. Being made never to sin wouldn't allow for that.

 

[ewq1938]