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Jesus died for his own purpose
Jesus died to save us from death that we deserved.
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Jesus died for his own purpose
Your devotion to your theological studies is worth as much to me as a Muslim's theological studies are worth to you.
so it seems the OP has a problem with how God chose to glorify himself.
well, you can't stop a created thing from using the very things God gave them to complain but all complaints are invalid as the created thing has no place to tell or dictate to it's creator what and for what purpose they are to create.
Isaiah 46:9-10
Daniel 4:35
romans 9:19-21
*Please don't tell me that he already did so with Adam and Eve; if Adam and Eve were created IN THE SAME STATE that you will be in, then there will be a fall in heaven.
Possible counter argument:
Adam and Eve were deceived by the serpent, and there will be no serpent in heaven.
But then God has not already created the conditions of heaven, so the argument fails.
No, I have a problem with someone telling me that God created the world to glorify himself and yet also claiming that he sent his son for me. If this is all for his glory, then the crucifixion was as well.
I don't know why you are confused. I'm not dictating anything; I'm asking questions.
Your devotion to your theological studies is worth as much to me as a Muslim's theological studies are worth to you.
Judeo-Christianity attempts to explain not only how we are here, but also why (the purpose of existence). Yet if we examine the Christian worldview, it's clear that our existence on earth is pointless.
When you are in heaven (or on the new earth... Christian lingo is inconsistent here), will you have free will? As far as I understand it, even Calvanists believe in free will, that is, they believe that one can make a choice free of coercion. My understanding is that you will have free will in heaven but no desire to sin. Why didn't God create us like that to begin with?* If Christians prefer to be in heaven, and if God would've preferred to not die on the cross, then what is the actual point of the universe's existence? In trying to explain it, Christianity renders it moot.
If you have to resort to confusion to explain our purpose on earth, please don't even bother posting. If you post here to admit that you don't know our purpose or what it could possibly be, I'll admire your honesty (ask yourself the follow-up question: why believe in something by faith which cannot explain anything even if it is granted to be true?). If you say we exist for God's glory, his good pleasure, or for some other idea that does something for God and nothing for you, then face the fact that Jesus died for his own purposes and that it wasn't for you (this idea is presumably heretical as it contradicts John 3:16, the most famous passage in the entire Bible). If God loves us, why not do what's best for us instead of putting us on this earth?
*Please don't tell me that he already did so with Adam and Eve; if Adam and Eve were created IN THE SAME STATE that you will be in, then there will be a fall in heaven.
Possible counter argument:
Adam and Eve were deceived by the serpent, and there will be no serpent in heaven.
But then God has not already created the conditions of heaven, so the argument fails.
Judeo-Christianity attempts to explain not only how we are here, but also why (the purpose of existence). Yet if we examine the Christian worldview, it's clear that our existence on earth is pointless.
When you are in heaven (or on the new earth... Christian lingo is inconsistent here), will you have free will? As far as I understand it, even Calvanists believe in free will, that is, they believe that one can make a choice free of coercion. My understanding is that you will have free will in heaven but no desire to sin. Why didn't God create us like that to begin with?* If Christians prefer to be in heaven, and if God would've preferred to not die on the cross, then what is the actual point of the universe's existence? In trying to explain it, Christianity renders it moot.
If you have to resort to confusion to explain our purpose on earth, please don't even bother posting. If you post here to admit that you don't know our purpose or what it could possibly be, I'll admire your honesty (ask yourself the follow-up question: why believe in something by faith which cannot explain anything even if it is granted to be true?). If you say we exist for God's glory, his good pleasure, or for some other idea that does something for God and nothing for you, then face the fact that Jesus died for his own purposes and that it wasn't for you (this idea is presumably heretical as it contradicts John 3:16, the most famous passage in the entire Bible). If God loves us, why not do what's best for us instead of putting us on this earth?
*Please don't tell me that he already did so with Adam and Eve; if Adam and Eve were created IN THE SAME STATE that you will be in, then there will be a fall in heaven.
Possible counter argument:
Adam and Eve were deceived by the serpent, and there will be no serpent in heaven.
But then God has not already created the conditions of heaven, so the argument fails.
Very interesting philosophical question.Judeo-Christianity attempts to explain not only how we are here, but also why (the purpose of existence). Yet if we examine the Christian worldview, it's clear that our existence on earth is pointless.
When you are in heaven (or on the new earth... Christian lingo is inconsistent here), will you have free will? As far as I understand it, even Calvanists believe in free will, that is, they believe that one can make a choice free of coercion. My understanding is that you will have free will in heaven but no desire to sin. Why didn't God create us like that to begin with?* If Christians prefer to be in heaven, and if God would've preferred to not die on the cross, then what is the actual point of the universe's existence? In trying to explain it, Christianity renders it moot.
If you have to resort to confusion to explain our purpose on earth, please don't even bother posting. If you post here to admit that you don't know our purpose or what it could possibly be, I'll admire your honesty (ask yourself the follow-up question: why believe in something by faith which cannot explain anything even if it is granted to be true?). If you say we exist for God's glory, his good pleasure, or for some other idea that does something for God and nothing for you, then face the fact that Jesus died for his own purposes and that it wasn't for you (this idea is presumably heretical as it contradicts John 3:16, the most famous passage in the entire Bible). If God loves us, why not do what's best for us instead of putting us on this earth?
*Please don't tell me that he already did so with Adam and Eve; if Adam and Eve were created IN THE SAME STATE that you will be in, then there will be a fall in heaven.
Possible counter argument:
Adam and Eve were deceived by the serpent, and there will be no serpent in heaven.
But then God has not already created the conditions of heaven, so the argument fails.
Judeo-Christianity attempts to explain not only how we are here, but also why (the purpose of existence). Yet if we examine the Christian worldview, it's clear that our existence on earth is pointless.
When you are in heaven (or on the new earth... Christian lingo is inconsistent here), will you have free will? As far as I understand it, even Calvanists believe in free will, that is, they believe that one can make a choice free of coercion. My understanding is that you will have free will in heaven but no desire to sin. Why didn't God create us like that to begin with?* If Christians prefer to be in heaven, and if God would've preferred to not die on the cross, then what is the actual point of the universe's existence? In trying to explain it, Christianity renders it moot.
If you have to resort to confusion to explain our purpose on earth, please don't even bother posting. If you post here to admit that you don't know our purpose or what it could possibly be, I'll admire your honesty (ask yourself the follow-up question: why believe in something by faith which cannot explain anything even if it is granted to be true?). If you say we exist for God's glory, his good pleasure, or for some other idea that does something for God and nothing for you, then face the fact that Jesus died for his own purposes and that it wasn't for you (this idea is presumably heretical as it contradicts John 3:16, the most famous passage in the entire Bible). If God loves us, why not do what's best for us instead of putting us on this earth?
*Please don't tell me that he already did so with Adam and Eve; if Adam and Eve were created IN THE SAME STATE that you will be in, then there will be a fall in heaven.
Possible counter argument:
Adam and Eve were deceived by the serpent, and there will be no serpent in heaven.
But then God has not already created the conditions of heaven, so the argument fails.
But Satan was there from the beginning alsoJudeo-Christianity attempts to explain not only how we are here, but also why (the purpose of existence). Yet if we examine the Christian worldview, it's clear that our existence on earth is pointless.
When you are in heaven (or on the new earth... Christian lingo is inconsistent here), will you have free will? As far as I understand it, even Calvanists believe in free will, that is, they believe that one can make a choice free of coercion. My understanding is that you will have free will in heaven but no desire to sin. Why didn't God create us like that to begin with?* If Christians prefer to be in heaven, and if God would've preferred to not die on the cross, then what is the actual point of the universe's existence? In trying to explain it, Christianity renders it moot.
If you have to resort to confusion to explain our purpose on earth, please don't even bother posting. If you post here to admit that you don't know our purpose or what it could possibly be, I'll admire your honesty (ask yourself the follow-up question: why believe in something by faith which cannot explain anything even if it is granted to be true?). If you say we exist for God's glory, his good pleasure, or for some other idea that does something for God and nothing for you, then face the fact that Jesus died for his own purposes and that it wasn't for you (this idea is presumably heretical as it contradicts John 3:16, the most famous passage in the entire Bible). If God loves us, why not do what's best for us instead of putting us on this earth?
*Please don't tell me that he already did so with Adam and Eve; if Adam and Eve were created IN THE SAME STATE that you will be in, then there will be a fall in heaven.
Possible counter argument:
Adam and Eve were deceived by the serpent, and there will be no serpent in heaven.
But then God has not already created the conditions of heaven, so the argument fails.
Judeo-Christianity attempts to explain not only how we are here, but also why (the purpose of existence). Yet if we examine the Christian worldview, it's clear that our existence on earth is pointless.
When you are in heaven (or on the new earth... Christian lingo is inconsistent here), will you have free will? As far as I understand it, even Calvanists believe in free will, that is, they believe that one can make a choice free of coercion. My understanding is that you will have free will in heaven but no desire to sin. Why didn't God create us like that to begin with?* If Christians prefer to be in heaven, and if God would've preferred to not die on the cross, then what is the actual point of the universe's existence? In trying to explain it, Christianity renders it moot.
If you have to resort to confusion to explain our purpose on earth, please don't even bother posting. If you post here to admit that you don't know our purpose or what it could possibly be, I'll admire your honesty (ask yourself the follow-up question: why believe in something by faith which cannot explain anything even if it is granted to be true?). If you say we exist for God's glory, his good pleasure, or for some other idea that does something for God and nothing for you, then face the fact that Jesus died for his own purposes and that it wasn't for you (this idea is presumably heretical as it contradicts John 3:16, the most famous passage in the entire Bible). If God loves us, why not do what's best for us instead of putting us on this earth?
*Please don't tell me that he already did so with Adam and Eve; if Adam and Eve were created IN THE SAME STATE that you will be in, then there will be a fall in heaven.
Possible counter argument:
Adam and Eve were deceived by the serpent, and there will be no serpent in heaven.
But then God has not already created the conditions of heaven, so the argument fails.
Judeo-Christianity attempts to explain not only how we are here, but also why (the purpose of existence). Yet if we examine the Christian worldview, it's clear that our existence on earth is pointless.
When you are in heaven (or on the new earth... Christian lingo is inconsistent here), will you have free will? As far as I understand it, even Calvanists believe in free will, that is, they believe that one can make a choice free of coercion. My understanding is that you will have free will in heaven but no desire to sin. Why didn't God create us like that to begin with?* If Christians prefer to be in heaven, and if God would've preferred to not die on the cross, then what is the actual point of the universe's existence? In trying to explain it, Christianity renders it moot.
If you have to resort to confusion to explain our purpose on earth, please don't even bother posting. If you post here to admit that you don't know our purpose or what it could possibly be, I'll admire your honesty (ask yourself the follow-up question: why believe in something by faith which cannot explain anything even if it is granted to be true?). If you say we exist for God's glory, his good pleasure, or for some other idea that does something for God and nothing for you, then face the fact that Jesus died for his own purposes and that it wasn't for you (this idea is presumably heretical as it contradicts John 3:16, the most famous passage in the entire Bible). If God loves us, why not do what's best for us instead of putting us on this earth?
*Please don't tell me that he already did so with Adam and Eve; if Adam and Eve were created IN THE SAME STATE that you will be in, then there will be a fall in heaven.
Possible counter argument:
Adam and Eve were deceived by the serpent, and there will be no serpent in heaven.
But then God has not already created the conditions of heaven, so the argument fails.
Judeo-Christianity attempts to explain not only how we are here, but also why (the purpose of existence). Yet if we examine the Christian worldview, it's clear that our existence on earth is pointless.
When you are in heaven (or on the new earth... Christian lingo is inconsistent here),
will you have free will?
My understanding is that you will have free will in heaven but no desire to sin. Why didn't God create us like that to begin with?*
If Christians prefer to be in heaven, and if God would've preferred to not die on the cross, then what is the actual point of the universe's existence?
If you say we exist for God's glory, his good pleasure, or for some other idea that does something for God and nothing for you,
If God loves us, why not do what's best for us instead of putting us on this earth?
Most people be they Christian, an Atheist or other have a healthy fear of death. What is generally agreed upon is the overall point to life is to live it. How to do that is where people differ and form their own particular world view group.Judeo-Christianity attempts to explain not only how we are here, but also why (the purpose of existence). Yet if we examine the Christian worldview, it's clear that our existence on earth is pointless.
Judeo-Christianity attempts to explain not only how we are here, but also why (the purpose of existence). Yet if we examine the Christian worldview, it's clear that our existence on earth is pointless.
When you are in heaven (or on the new earth... Christian lingo is inconsistent here), will you have free will? As far as I understand it, even Calvanists believe in free will, that is, they believe that one can make a choice free of coercion. My understanding is that you will have free will in heaven but no desire to sin. Why didn't God create us like that to begin with?* If Christians prefer to be in heaven, and if God would've preferred to not die on the cross, then what is the actual point of the universe's existence? In trying to explain it, Christianity renders it moot.
If you have to resort to confusion to explain our purpose on earth, please don't even bother posting. If you post here to admit that you don't know our purpose or what it could possibly be, I'll admire your honesty (ask yourself the follow-up question: why believe in something by faith which cannot explain anything even if it is granted to be true?). If you say we exist for God's glory, his good pleasure, or for some other idea that does something for God and nothing for you, then face the fact that Jesus died for his own purposes and that it wasn't for you (this idea is presumably heretical as it contradicts John 3:16, the most famous passage in the entire Bible). If God loves us, why not do what's best for us instead of putting us on this earth?
*Please don't tell me that he already did so with Adam and Eve; if Adam and Eve were created IN THE SAME STATE that you will be in, then there will be a fall in heaven.
Possible counter argument:
Adam and Eve were deceived by the serpent, and there will be no serpent in heaven.
But then God has not already created the conditions of heaven, so the argument fails.