however it is also just as legitimate to ask why it wouldn't be transferred to others. Your expectation that it ust be justified why it would be transferrable shows that you are starting from a bias.
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however it is also just as legitimate to ask why it wouldn't be transferred to others. Your expectation that it ust be justified why it would be transferrable shows that you are starting from a bias.The usual explanation for the "slain in the spirit" phenomenon is that Saul was knocked from his horse by the Lord while on the road to Damascus. Why this should be transferrable to any other believer is not so well explained, IMHO, and the 'rolling around' stuff I think is just part and parcel of whatever one thinks is the way the Holy Spirit comes upon the believer. It's supposed to take you over, so....
I'm sorry that you are unable to see what your post actually means. You kept repeating the verse about praying in private. Well Jesus prayed in public at times which means according to your continued insistence that praying in private is the only way then Jesus must have been sinful. There is no other conclusion one can make unless you acknowledge you are wrong in your understanding.You are labelled Christian under your avatar! How can you say the above?
This sounds just like a person who condemned speaking in tongues on the basis that they had never experienced it so therefore it must not be of God! Once we start judging behaviour by if we have seen or experienced it then we start setting ourselves up as being perfect example of what a christian should and shouldn't be then we are in grave danger of falling.I'm still waiting for a biblical defense of this strange behavior. I have read none in my Bible, and I've never seen this type of thing in any of the numerous churches I've attended in over 30 years.
It is fair to ask that, but what reason could there be for thinking that God confronted Saul in this emphatic way....therefore all Christians ought to think they can, by imitating the action, be part of it?however it is also just as legitimate to ask why it wouldn't be transferred to others.
As I said people can imitate and fake things. So just because someone does something which seems wrong does not make it justifiable to make a blanket condemnation like you are. In the specific case of your aunt I wasn't there but I find it hard to imagine it would have been of God.Absolutely! i agree 100%. There are many things that the different denominations do which seem to either lack scriptural support or else go completely contrary to scripture.
However, the majority of Christian places of worship don't have members hissing, ululating, growling, shouting, violently trembling, dropping to the floor, rolling down the isles nor claiming to be the Lord Jesus or some other biblical personage while mimicking the bodily movements of voodoo practitioners.
So when confronted with such an horrendously unbiblical display, I can't help but to suspect something ungodly at work.
In terms of the biblical defence as I said earlier one can not condemn it unless one reads certain passages with a pre-formed opinion.
might need to clarify this. I would say they never did have an exclusive deal. Perhaps by being brief I have misunderstood what you mean.Yes.
Many of the parables and miracles had the same aim. Jesus was bringing judgement on Israel for not being good stewards or a light to the world, and He was ushering in the gentiles. No longer would the Jews have an exclusive deal. . .
It's more accurate to say that one cannot affirm it unless one reads certain passages with a pre-formed opinion.
As I said people can imitate and fake things. So just because someone does something which seems wrong does not make it justifiable to make a blanket condemnation like you are. In the specific case of your aunt I wasn't there but I find it hard to imagine it would have been of God.
That you don't find it in the majority of churches means nothing really. All kinds of explanations could be offered. I grew up in a church where while the Holy Spirit was mentioned one did not talk about the spirit. The spirit was essentially denied. When I did start visiting some more charismatic/pentecostal churches and anything during the service was foreign to me and strange I would just start praying.
It seems as if you have made up your mind and you approach the topic from a closed position rather than wanting to see what is and is not said. This is no different of course to the way some pentecostal people appraoch it of course however it does not assist to learn the truth. Does the bible talk about the spirit groaning and uttering in a language we can't understand? Yes it does. Is it possible that is part of what is happening? Yes of course. Is it possible for people to fake that? Of course. Tony Campolo tells a good story of a person standing up in a church and speaking in a unnaturally low tone and saying "As Moses led the animals two by two onto the ark" Of course people noticed she said Moses not Noah. A friend of mine tells how he was being prayed for and people insisted he should be able to speak in tongues and eventually just to please them he uttered some garbage and they got all excited. So yes it can be faked but then I have been in churches where tongues have been spoken and then there has been interpretation (yep the biblical way of doing it!) It was clear the message was legit.
Anyway gotta rush now so will come back and read rest of thread later.
I'm sorry that you are unable to see what your post actually means. You kept repeating the verse about praying in private. Well Jesus prayed in public at times which means according to your continued insistence that praying in private is the only way then Jesus must have been sinful. There is no other conclusion one can make unless you acknowledge you are wrong in your understanding.
And this is exactly what I'm talking about. People post a tonne of scripture about their cause which does not address the topic specifically. This is then used as a platform to validate all the unbiblical stuff that rests on it. The reasoning is because the foundation is strong everything that rests on the foundation is also strong.Eucharist is Biblically based:
Mark 14:22-24
22 And as they were eating, he took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to them, and said, “Take; this is my body.” 23 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, and they all drank of it. 24 And he said to them, “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many.
Luke 22:19-20
19 And he took bread, and when he had given thanks he broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” 20 And likewise the cup after supper, saying, “This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.
John 6:51
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh.”
John 6:53
53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you;
1 Corinthians 10:16
16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?
Peter being in a trance would be identical to what many do. As I said before you are taking what appears to be one person faking something and making assumptions. Do I say that because some people who have pretended to be christian have read the bible means that reading the bible is wrong? Of course not. Likewise this should not be dismissed in that way.Thanks for providing the scriptures used to support that belief.
All describe a fearful reaction.
In the case of Paul we can assume it was fear as well. We can also assume they were conscious since they were spoken to and understood.
None describe rolling all over the floor while uttering unintelligible noises, and then claiming to be Jesus.
So to me these scriptures don't seem to support the behavior I observed.
God Bless!
It was not me calling him that but you by your lack of understanding. The disciples prayed in public as well. So clearly there is no blanket ban on praying in public as you claimed.If you can understand that verse its how Jesus is saying dont go showing everyone else how you pray, how you want people to notice you! This is exactly how those other people look when they throw themselves about! All false and just for show.
Jesus is Our Lord and teacher. Nobody is above him on this earth. He can do anything he wants!
You should not have called Jesus the way you did.
Simple. It doesn't only happen in that church. That makes the rest of your post a false accusation. I have seen this stuff in non-pentecostal churches so sorry to burst your little bubble.Why is it that these people fall about only in 'that' church? Reason, i dont believe it is the Holy Spirit. It is something else!!!!
Peter being in a trance would be identical to what many do. As I said before you are taking what appears to be one person faking something and making assumptions. Do I say that because some people who have pretended to be christian have read the bible means that reading the bible is wrong? Of course not. Likewise this should not be dismissed in that way.
Dropping, rolling on the floor, slain in the spirit, falling out in the spirit… Where is any of that mentioned/strongly implied in the scriptures? It's somewhat rhetorical because I know there are no such scriptures advocating for such things.
It was not me calling him that but you by your lack of understanding. The disciples prayed in public as well. So clearly there is no blanket ban on praying in public as you claimed.
Simple. It doesn't only happen in that church. That makes the rest of your post a false accusation. I have seen this stuff in non-pentecostal churches so sorry to burst your little bubble.
Where do the disciples pray in public?The disciples prayed in public as well. So clearly there is no blanket ban on praying in public as you claimed.
?? that is resurrection.. Not reincarnation .The preacher said the dog had died and came back to life.
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