Does the Sabbath still exist?

[Arthur57]

Then what day is it, if it is not the 7th day Sabbath of the Lord?

We find the answer in Leviticus 23, when God proclaimed his holy days and feast days.

23:3 - Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the Sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings. Here God proclaimed His 7th day Sabbath.

From verse 4-31 God had proclaimed the feast days to be celebrated and consecrated by Israel, even the day of Atonement; Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings. It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath. (Lev. 23:31, 32)

See, that this day is also called “your sabbath.”

But then God said: 037:These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day. 038: Beside the sabbaths of the LORD, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the LORD (Levi. 23:37, 38).

Another translation says: This is in addition to the Sabbaths of the Lord……
NIV translation says: These offerings are in addition to those for the Lord’s Sabbath…..

So, after God had proclaimed the feast days for the Jews to be kept holy as a rest day, as a sabbath day, he said that all those days are in addition to the Sabbath of the Lord, in other word, the 7th day Sabbath which is the Sabbath of the Lord, where Jesus Christ is the Lord of the Sabbath, is not the same with the other sabbath days that belongs to Israel. These sabbath days mentioned by Hosea that God would cease it, and Paul warned the Colossians believer not to celebrate it, for it has passed away, and come to it end when the body of Christ was hung on the cross. This celebration, these sabbath days, are just a shadow of the things to come, pointed out to Christ’ mission on earth, and came to it ends when he was nailed at the cross.

Clearly that God made a distinction between those two sabbath days, in verse 23:3, he proclaimed his own Sabbath day, and thereafter he proclaimed feast days of Israel that should be celebrated as a sabbath day, and lastly he again declare that these Israel sabbath days is an addition to his own Sabbath day. A clear distinction has been made of the Sabbath of the Lord that is everlasting and “your sabbath” or Israeli sabbath days that is a shadow of the things to come and will ceased of it’s existence on the cross of Christ.

 

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Will come back later.

Happy Easter!! Jesus is risen!! GLORY !!!

 

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I will start with Hosea 2:11 - I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts.

Did Paul understand the meaning of this verse? Surely he did, because he said the same thing in Colossians 2:16, 17: Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days. Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Does sabbath mentioned here in these verses are the same and identical with the 7th day Sabbath, Sabbath of the Lord God, the day God had blessed and hallowed in Eden? The day that Jesus asked his disciples to pray that their flee to safety when Jerusalem is attacked and destructed would not fall on Sabbath? The day to be sanctified as in the 4th commandment? The day, which Jesus said he is the Lord of the Sabbath?

Of course not!! They are not the same! This is an affirmative answer, definitive and accurate and without doubt at all.

Because, if they are the same, then our God is not as what he had said about himself:

Psalms 111:7-8: The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness.
Psalms 119:160: Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.
Mathew 24:35: Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Hebrews 13:8: Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
James 1:17: Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

If he said that Sabbath keeping is everlasting, so be it. How could he said today that Sabbath keeping is everlasting; and then at another day he said that he wants to make an end to keeping the Sabbath?


If Jesus said that he is the Lord of the Sabbath, then as he is God eternal, the Sabbath should have the same capacity, less then eternal would not be his Sabbath. How could he be the Lord of a day of worship when one day that day would come to an end? It is ridiculous!! And for this we had the proof in the bible: For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD (Isaiah 6:22, 23). This Sabbath day where Jesus Christ is the Lord of that day, is going to be celebrated and sanctified for eternity in the new earth by the redeemed, to worship Jesus Christ, their Redeemer and Creator, the Lord of the Sabbath.

By these facts we knew, that the sabbath days mentioned by Hosea and Paul above is not the 7th day Sabbath of the Lord. It is a different day!

If the the above is true, Jeremiah lied for God in 31:31-34 and is a false prophet. That of course makes Jesus a phony in varifying that a NC now exists - Mat 26:28, MK 14:24 and LK 22:20.

What should one make of Isa 28:10? - For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

Does that interfer with Mal 3:6? - For I am the LORD, I change not... or Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. I don't think so.

 

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I will start with Hosea 2:11 - I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts.

Did Paul understand the meaning of this verse? Surely he did, because he said the same thing in Colossians 2:16, 17: Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days. Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Does sabbath mentioned here in these verses are the same and identical with the 7th day Sabbath, Sabbath of the Lord God, the day God had blessed and hallowed in Eden? The day that Jesus asked his disciples to pray that their flee to safety when Jerusalem is attacked and destructed would not fall on Sabbath? The day to be sanctified as in the 4th commandment? The day, which Jesus said he is the Lord of the Sabbath?

Of course not!! They are not the same! This is an affirmative answer, definitive and accurate and without doubt at all.

Because, if they are the same, then our God is not as what he had said about himself:

Psalms 111:7-8: The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness.
Psalms 119:160: Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.
Mathew 24:35: Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Hebrews 13:8: Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
James 1:17: Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

If he said that Sabbath keeping is everlasting, so be it. How could he said today that Sabbath keeping is everlasting; and then at another day he said that he wants to make an end to keeping the Sabbath?


If Jesus said that he is the Lord of the Sabbath, then as he is God eternal, the Sabbath should have the same capacity, less then eternal would not be his Sabbath. How could he be the Lord of a day of worship when one day that day would come to an end? It is ridiculous!! And for this we had the proof in the bible: For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD (Isaiah 6:22, 23). This Sabbath day where Jesus Christ is the Lord of that day, is going to be celebrated and sanctified for eternity in the new earth by the redeemed, to worship Jesus Christ, their Redeemer and Creator, the Lord of the Sabbath.

By these facts we knew, that the sabbath days mentioned by Hosea and Paul above is not the 7th day Sabbath of the Lord. It is a different day!

I'm mixed up about what is called the sabbath above. It is said that it isn't the same sabbath. There is no evidence of another sabbath presented. Then it talks about the sabbath also with no foundation. Even calls Jesus Lord of the sabbath. But which sabbath? Then it closes with Isa 66: 22, 23 where worship is continual between sabbaths. Note that the verses don't use the phrase on the sabbath. The phrase is from one sabbath to another.

Another item I wish to point out because of the above statement is how could it even be the 7th day sabbath of the 10 Cs? Just pointing out the inconsistancies.

 

[Arthur57]

Interesting series of posts. I'm wondering how Jer 31:31-34, Hosea 2:11 and Mat 26:28 fit in to this picture. Can you helpme out here?

I will comment on Jeremiah 31:31-34.

The Old covenant and the new covenant. What is it?

The Old covenant is the covenant between man and God based on human effort. It was when Israel answered to God’s demand: “Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine. And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation.” (Exodus 19:5, 6). And Israel replied with: “All that the LORD hath spoken we will do.” (Exodus 19:8).

How dare this weak and selfish nation swear to their God that they will do all what God had commanded them? Not long after this promise had spoken, Israel raised a golden calf and worshiped it as their god (Exodus 32). This was the moment Israel broke their covenant with God.

But God prophesied through the prophet Jeremiah (31:31-34) that he will make a new covenant with Israel “after those days”. This New covenant is God’s covenant with the house of Israel, based on grace through faith. 31: Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah. 32: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD. 33: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34: And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. (Jeremiah 31:31-34).

Who is the house of Israel with whom God made his covenant after those days? How would God put his law in their inward parts and write it in their hearts? Making them fit and suitable to be God’s people and God as their Lord.

They are Christ’ believers, and those days are the days after the cross of Calvary, where the blood of Christ had been shed for the remission of sins and justification that brought life (Matthew 26:27,28; Romans 3:23,24; Romans 5:18).

At those days, God would put his law in their inward parts and write it in their hearts by:
26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. (Ezekiel 36:26,27).

This is the secret of their success!

When God forgives their sins and remember their sins no more, God would give those Christ believers a new heart and take away their stony hearts, their carnal mind. God will put his Spirit in their hearts that would lead their life into law obedience and change them back into the likeness of God, his holy people. This is what G R A C E is all about.

11. For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12: Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13. Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14: Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. (Titus 2:11-14).

The grace of God would teach Christ’ believers to deny the ungodliness and worldly lust, to live soberly, righteous and godly, waiting for the great day to come, the appearance of God and Christ their Savior, who died for them in order he might redeem them from all iniquity, and purify for himself a peculiar people, holy people who loved to do good works.

 

[Arthur57]

Does this New covenant takes away the law of God, especially the Sabbath of the Lord? Not at all! On the contrary, the New covenant is about God’s work to put his law and commandments in Christ believers hearts that their life might be in harmony with the demand of His law.

Does grace takes away the law of God, especially the Sabbath of the Lord? Not at all!! Isn’t Grace sheds to Christ believer’s to teach them to deny the ungodly and worldly lust, to purify them to become Christ’ holy people? Isn’t grace the shedding of God’s Holy Spirit into believer’s hearts, to purify them through the washing of regeneration and renewing? 4. But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 5. Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost. 6. Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour. 7. That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. (Titus 3:4-7).

The shedding of God’s Holy Spirit in Christ’ believers hearts enables them to live in harmony with the law of God, fulfilling its demands, for they will bore FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT, and against such, there is no law (Galatians 5:22,23). Instead of annulling the law, God wrote it on believer’s hearts by His Spirit, so that they might live in harmony with the demands of the law.

Paul asked: What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. (Romans 6:15). He asked again: What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. (Romans 6:1,2).

Grace of God doesn’t annul his law, on the contrary, enables Christ believers to keep the law and fulfill it demands, to be in harmony with it, to sin no more!

So is it! The New Covenant, Grace, even FAITH doesn’t annul the law of God, Paul said: Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. (Romans 3:31).

Sabbath law stand forever, in this world and in the new world to come, for it is the Sabbath of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

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Does this New covenant takes away the law of God, especially the Sabbath of the Lord? Not at all! On the contrary, the New covenant is about God’s work to put his law and commandments in Christ believers hearts that their life might be in harmony with the demand of His law.

Does grace takes away the law of God, especially the Sabbath of the Lord? Not at all!! Isn’t Grace sheds to Christ believer’s to teach them to deny the ungodly and worldly lust, to purify them to become Christ’ holy people? Isn’t grace the shedding of God’s Holy Spirit into believer’s hearts, to purify them through the washing of regeneration and renewing? 4. But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 5. Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost. 6. Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour. 7. That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. (Titus 3:4-7).

The shedding of God’s Holy Spirit in Christ’ believers hearts enables them to live in harmony with the law of God, fulfilling its demands, for they will bore FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT, and against such, there is no law (Galatians 5:22,23). Instead of annulling the law, God wrote it on believer’s hearts by His Spirit, so that they might live in harmony with the demands of the law.

Paul asked: What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. (Romans 6:15). He asked again: What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. (Romans 6:1,2).

Grace of God doesn’t annul his law, on the contrary, enables Christ believers to keep the law and fulfill it demands, to be in harmony with it, to sin no more!

So is it! The New Covenant, Grace, even FAITH doesn’t annul the law of God, Paul said: Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. (Romans 3:31).

Sabbath law stand forever, in this world and in the new world to come, for it is the Sabbath of our Lord Jesus Christ.

where does this NC include any requirement or obligation to the sabbath or even the law for that matter?

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

where does this NC include any requirement or obligation to the sabbath or even the law for that matter?

GE:

You must be blind if you cannot see it yourself, for the 'NC' "includes", 'requires' and 'obligates' as it does "the sabbath" THE LAW of God God's WORD exclusively and ONLY in Jesus Christ. By the way, as it has done from the beginning of the creation of God. There's NO difference; no, yes, there's a very BIG difference --- for everyone to SEE you'll find it in Hebrews 1:1,2.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Hosea deals with ALL Israel's 'sabbaths', including the Seventh Day Sabbath of the LORD God so PERVERTED by Israel.

And even Hosea or not Hosea, God brought an end to ALL sabbaths AND his Own Holy Day the Seventh Day of the week : THROUGH AND IN JESUS CHRIST CRUCIFIED AND NAILED TO THE CROSS AND TAKEN "OUT OF THE WAY" UNTO REDEMPTION. Because that "WAY" of Redemption is Christ Jesus; no Law could stand in his way; no death; no condemnation.

I always ask, WHAT do you SEE "nailed to the cross"? A set of stones engraved with the Law of God?

Be simple-minded to be wise.

Christ is God's Law and Laws crucified; ELSE Peter could never have claimed : "THIS JESUS GOD HAS MADE BOTH LORD AND CHRIST" in that He "RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD."

As you SEE Jesus crucified, dying death, and dead, so SEE you "the death of death (the Law) in the death of Christ" (John Owen); and SO, see you the Law of God vindicated, established, PRONOUNCED, once for all in that "God RAISED HIM from the dead" and EXALTED HIM the Law of God vindicated, established, PRONOUNCED, once for all.

 

[Arthur57]

Hosea deals with ALL Israel's 'sabbaths', including the Seventh Day Sabbath of the LORD God so PERVERTED by Israel.

And even Hosea or not Hosea, God brought an end to ALL sabbaths AND his Own Holy Day the Seventh Day of the week : THROUGH AND IN JESUS CHRIST CRUCIFIED AND NAILED TO THE CROSS AND TAKEN "OUT OF THE WAY" UNTO REDEMPTION. Because that "WAY" of Redemption is Christ Jesus; no Law could stand in his way; no death; no condemnation.

I always ask, WHAT do you SEE "nailed to the cross"? A set of stones engraved with the Law of God?

Be simple-minded to be wise.

Christ is God's Law and Laws crucified; ELSE Peter could never have claimed : "THIS JESUS GOD HAS MADE BOTH LORD AND CHRIST" in that He "RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD."

As you SEE Jesus crucified, dying death, and dead, so SEE you "the death of death (the Law) in the death of Christ" (John Owen); and SO, see you the Law of God vindicated, established, PRONOUNCED, once for all in that "God RAISED HIM from the dead" and EXALTED HIM the Law of God vindicated, established, PRONOUNCED, once for all.

I strongly disagree this view! Poor presentation of the word of God.

 

[visionary]

One of the first fables was coined in 364 by the Council of Laodicea. They pronounced Sabbath-keeping as “judaizing”. Thereby the Sabbath was branded as the Jewish Sabbath and is still known as such by most people. NOWHERE in the Scriptures will you find the Sabbath being called the Jewish Sabbath. That is a man-made fable and therefore a lie. In the Scriptures it is referred to as “Sabbath”, “the seventh day”, or “the Sabbath of your God” (Ex. 20:10) God often calls it “My Sabbaths” (Ex. 31:13, 20:12 etc.) The Sabbath was not made for the Jews (as some allege) but “made for man” (Mark 2:27).

 

[Arthur57]

Hosea deals with ALL Israel's 'sabbaths', including the Seventh Day Sabbath of the LORD God so PERVERTED by Israel.

And even Hosea or not Hosea, God brought an end to ALL sabbaths AND his Own Holy Day the Seventh Day of the week : THROUGH AND IN JESUS CHRIST CRUCIFIED AND NAILED TO THE CROSS AND TAKEN "OUT OF THE WAY" UNTO REDEMPTION. Because that "WAY" of Redemption is Christ Jesus; no Law could stand in his way; no death; no condemnation.

I always ask, WHAT do you SEE "nailed to the cross"? A set of stones engraved with the Law of God?

Be simple-minded to be wise.

Christ is God's Law and Laws crucified; ELSE Peter could never have claimed : "THIS JESUS GOD HAS MADE BOTH LORD AND CHRIST" in that He "RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD."

As you SEE Jesus crucified, dying death, and dead, so SEE you "the death of death (the Law) in the death of Christ" (John Owen); and SO, see you the Law of God vindicated, established, PRONOUNCED, once for all in that "God RAISED HIM from the dead" and EXALTED HIM the Law of God vindicated, established, PRONOUNCED, once for all.

As I have presented here, your idea is against what I stated, and I believe is against the Scripture.

Does GRACE annul His law? The answer is NO.

 

[Arthur57]

I'm mixed up about what is called the sabbath above. It is said that it isn't the same sabbath. There is no evidence of another sabbath presented. Then it talks about the sabbath also with no foundation. Even calls Jesus Lord of the sabbath. But which sabbath? Then it closes with Isa 66: 22, 23 where worship is continual between sabbaths. Note that the verses don't use the phrase on the sabbath. The phrase is from one sabbath to another.

Another item I wish to point out because of the above statement is how could it even be the 7th day sabbath of the 10 Cs? Just pointing out the inconsistancies.

I wonder how come that you can't see there is another sabbath presented by God himself in Leviticus 23.

Here I briefly repeat it again:

First God mentioned about his Sabbath, the 7th day Sabbath.
Levi 23:3: Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

Here God proclaim a day which His Sabbath, and this day is the 7th day of the week. If you back again to creation, this day has been hallowed and sanctified, for God did rest at this day from his creation work.

Then, from Levi 23:4 up to 23:41, God proclaimed about the Israeli feast days, which is day of the Lord's passover, day of atonement, etc. And God said that these feast days is "your Sabbat" referring to Israel, that these feast days should be taken almost the same as the 7th day Sabbath, sabbath of the Lord (Levi 23:32).

And to make a clear distinction between those Israeli sabbath (feast days) and God's Sabbath the 7th day, God said: 037: "These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:
038: Beside the sabbaths of the LORD,..." Levi. 23:37,38.

After mentioning first about his 7th day Sabbath (weekly Sabbath), then continue with feast days that should celebrated as a sabbath day, but these feast days falls on different days of the week and date in a year, God closed his speech with again mentioning that the celebration of those feast days which is Israeli sabbath days (He said: "Your sabbath" Lev. 23:32), is not included with God's Sabbath, the 7th day of the week.

Very clear! Undeniable! Only a blind man can't see it, and you aren't blind, are you?

When Jesus said he is Lord of the Sabbath, of course he refers to the 7th day Sabbath (weekly sabbath), a day that was made for man (Mark 2:27) a day that will be remembered and celebrated for eternity, the same as he is eternal. And Isaiah mentioned from Sabbath to Sabbath will men come to worship God. This is in line with the rest.

Thus, the weekly sabbath, the 7th day Sabbath, is God's Sabbath day, and Jesus is Lord of this sabbath, a day to be celebrated as according to the 4th commandment.

But, Israeli sabbath days, their feast days, was long time ago nailed on the cross, as according to Hosea 2:11 and Colossians 2:16, 17; Ephesians 2:15, etc.

 

[Arthur57]

where does this NC include any requirement or obligation to the sabbath or even the law for that matter?

You didn't read my presentation, or you read it but don't understand.

The NC is God's covenant to Christ believers that he shall give them a new heart and a new Spirit, taking out their stony heart (Ezekiel 36:26), plus in Jeremiah "I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts;"

This mean, Christ believers would be blessed and equipped with e new heart and a new Spirit, in order they might keep and fulfill the law demands, the same as it is written on their hearts and being put in their inward parts.

Which law in particular? The Ten Commandment!! And all other words, laws of god that doesn't come to an end at the cross of Christ.

 

[Arthur57]

Matthew 26:28 - For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

It was Jesus himself that spoke to Isaiah and Jeremiah regarding the New Covenant, and he said it again to his disciples as recorded by Matthew above.

An covenant or testament made between men and God (the OC), was established with the blood of lamb that can cleanse nothing (Hebrews 9:19, 20), but, the better covenant between God and men, the everlasting covenant, was established with a better blood, the blood of our Savior, based on better promises (Hebrew 8:6-12).

These promises was written in Ezekiel 36:26,27 and Jeremiah 31:31-34.

The OC: Israel promised they would keep the law and failed, they broke their promise, they broke their covenant with God.

The NC: God promised he would give Christ' believers a new heart, a new Spirit in order they might kept his laws in their hearts and practice that in their life. His promise is everlasting, established the blood of Christ, the blood of the NC.

So, either the OC or the NC spoke about the same thing, which is very important for God; that men should keep the law of God.

And how can people think and believe that the NC takes away the law of God?

 

[Arthur57]

Roman 7:6: But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

This statement is a continuation of the condition of man after he has been renewed by the Spirit and live a righteous life. They are no longer slaves of sin. But, this new life doesn’t released them from the obligation to live in harmony with the law (Romans 6:1, 15), to keep the law in their heart and practice it in their daily life. Through God’s grace they are enabled to live a righteous holy life (Titus 2:11-14) by His Spirit (Titus 3:5,6) that works in them to will and to do (Phil. 2;13).

Being delievered from the law condemnation, that condemn them to die, by Christ redemption on the cross, they were brought to a new stage of life. They should serve God now in the newness of their spirit, a spirit that was being influenced by the Spirit (Ezekiel 36:26), that wants to write God’s law on their heart and put it in their minds (Jeremiah 31:31-34), to make them living in harmony with God’s law and fulfill it’s demand. No longer as in the old days, same as Israel, to do what God wants them to do by their own strength, as to the letter.

How could people think that this verse (Romans 7:6) makes void the law of God?

 

[Arthur57]

What else?



Romans 10:4: For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Israel has failed in pursuing righteousness, for they has ignored God’s righteousness and established their own righteousness from the law: “Do it and you will live.” (Romans 10:1-5). They failed to see that it was Christ ministry shown by the law and that they should believe in him.

Instead of believing in Him for righteousness through faith, they held the “shadow” and seek righteousness from works of keeping the law. But Paul said: 16: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

But those who understood the Scripture, knew, that Christ is the end, the goal, the target of what the law described, as the law itself is the description of his character; not their obedience. By believing in Him, they got their righteousness, imputed and imparted.

How could people believe that by this statement (Romans 10:4), Paul makes an end to observe the law?

Meanwhile the same Paul said:
Romans 6:15: What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Romans 6:1: What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2: God forbid.
Romans 3:31: Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

 

[Arthur57]

Now what?

1 Corinthians 16:1-4
1:Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. 2:Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. 3: And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem. 4: And if it be meet that I go also, they shall go with me.

Why? Is this a proof that Sunday the 1st day is a holyday, a convocation day, a rest day, that changed God’s 7th day Sabbath?

Paul said nothing else than an advice to do a saving of some money for collection on the 1st day at every week, in order, when he come, the money was prepared and just send a man to take it, not just starting to gather at his coming.

Just so simple but people twisted it to justify their 1st day keeping worship. Strange!

 

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How about this?

Luke 16:16 - The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Why? Is this another proof that the law of God ended at John the apostle time? And Christ believers have no obligation whatsoever to keep the law, for they are not under the law’s jurisdiction?

My simple understanding about this verse is:

The ministry of God on earth to safe men is no longer focused on the law and the prophets works as in the OC time, this ministry ended at John time, further on the ministry of Grace take place, which is the good news of the Kingdom of God, being preached to all over the world.

It is just a change of a ministry, a change of a system to safe men.

In the OC time, the law must be kept perfectly, but the focus is not the law and it righteousness, but Christ, his ministry. Only Israel failed to see the truth. At this NC time, Christ is still the focus of the Gospel, only it is no longer being a shadow of things to come, but now a reality of the blood shed at the cross of Calvary, where Christ , in order to safe men, must die as a righteous person, a person that fulfilled the law’s demand.

Which is an example for his believers, to follow his step, that they too must fulfill the righteous demands of the law. “If you love me, keep my commandments.”

The law still demands perfect righteousness from any one including Christ’ believers, perfect obedience. But the focus is Christ, because only by him and through him, we might achieve the righteousness of the law. “That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” Romans 8:4. “For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.” Romans 2:13.

So, Luke 16:16 says nothing about a law being cancelled because of grace.

Romans 5:16 - What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Romans 16:1 - What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid.

 

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Gal 3:1-3, 17, 19, 4:30; 5:1-21 [/FONT]

The whole book of Galatia tells Paul’s effort to advice the believers in Galatia, whom he had preached before for not to believe and accept another gospel, which is not the Gospel of Christ, even it has been preached by an angel of heaven, it must be cursed.

Paul was comparing the Gospel of Christ against the other gospel which must be cursed. What is this “other gospel” all about?

It is a gospel of righteousness obtained through works of the law.

O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Galatians 3:1-3.

After believing in Christ and living a Spirit led life, they were confused by this gospel and seem they believe and accept this other gospel. Paul reminded them, did they receive the Spirit thanks to their faith, or because of keeping the law obediently? They had started a new Christian life by the Spirit, why now thinking they could be perfected by the works of the flesh, which is seeking righteousness by the law?

He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Galatia 3:5.

Did they experience all these miracles because of faith or because of their law keeping? Giving an example of Abraham, Paul proved that Abraham believed God, and his faith is accounted unto righteousness. And if they believe, they will be accounted as the children of Abraham too, and be heirs to the promise.