Does the Sabbath still exist?

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

It is noteworthy and in fact very important to notice that in Hebrews 4:8-10 the THREE 'time-concepts' of

1) the "REST" of God "Jesus had given them";

2) the "DAY" of gracious visitation to repent and be saved; and

3) the "keeping of the Sabbath Day", "remaining valid for the People of God",

ARE SEPARATED AND DISTINGUISHED --- NOT ASSIMILATED AND IDENTIFIED!

 

[visionary]

It is noteworthy and in fact very important to notice that in Hebrews 4:8-10 the THREE 'time-concepts' of

1) the "REST" of God "Jesus had given them";

2) the "DAY" of gracious visitation to repent and be saved; and

3) the "keeping of the Sabbath Day", "remaining valid for the People of God",

ARE SEPARATED AND DISTINGUISHED --- NOT ASSIMILATED AND IDENTIFIED!

The day [time set aside.. sanctified] is a memorial to creation [Exodus] and redemption [Deut]... Nicely done with the three time concepts.. good midrashing...

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

The day [time set aside.. sanctified] is a memorial to creation [Exodus] and redemption [Deut]... Nicely done with the three time concepts.. good midrashing...

GE:

And "creation [Exodus] and redemption [Deut]" are encompassed and encapsulated in essence and fullness at core, in, through, by, and with the Resurrection of Christ from the dead : "SABBATH'S" Matthew 28:1.

 

[Arthur57]

Genesis 2:3: And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

For who did God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it?

Exodus 20:11: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.

For who did God blessed the 7th day, which is the Sabbath day and hallowed it?

For men! For Adam and Eve and their coming children.

It is ridiculous to think and belief that Sabbath is for the Jews only. Why God should blessed and sanctified a day at the week of creation with the intention to keep it for himself till one day , 2,400 years later, there is a tribe or nation called Jews and give it to them to be their holy day? The Jews was sinful men, so, was it God intention to keep and give this day for the sinful men thousand years later after the week of creation? Was God hoping that the men he created in his likeness shall fall into sin?

There is no such thing! When God blessed and sanctified the 7th day, the Sabbath day, it was for Adam, Eve and their offspring, to be kept for eternity, without even having the slightest idea that this day is for the Jews one day.

And 4,000 years later. What did the Son of Man say?

Mark 2:27, 28.
27:And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath:

The Sabbath was made for man, since the week of creation, not for the Jews, this man is “Adam”. A man that God has created with his own hand. Yes, the Sabbath was for them, because they exist already.

If man was made for the Sabbath, then it is correct, the Sabbath was kept for the Jews that exist 2,400 years later. So, it says “Man (is made) for the Sabbath.”

 

[Arthur57]

Now, if Adam and his children understood clearly the Sabbath was for them to be kept and sanctified, since God has given it to them, shall it be forgotten one day by his offspring?

Genesis 26:5: Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

When God says so about Abraham, was Abraham keeping the Sabbath day holy or not?? Of course he did, otherwise God will never says so.
Noah died when Abraham was 58 years old, surely Noah has taught Abraham about the law of God, and the Sabbath, because Noah had been taught also by his father and grand fathers. Enoch, Adam’s grandson live till Noah was 84 years old, so, surely he taught Noah about the law of God and the Sabbath, as he received the same from his grandfather Adam, who died when he was old enough.

Therefore, the law of God and Sabbath keeping was taught orally by the living legend to their sons and grand sons, till Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph.

But after Joseph death, hundreds of years have passed for the Jews that lived among the Egyptians people and pagan culture. Slowly they began to forget about the law of God, and the Sabbath, especially with the rise of a new, hard and cruel emperor. Therefore, God sent Moses, to gather the Israelite and brought them out of Egypt, in order they may return to the path of God, keeping his law, and his Sabbath day.

 

[Arthur57]

What God has written with his own finger on the tablet of stone, is his own law, kept by humankind since Adam and Eve was still in Eden. And the 4th commandment was written there. Not because of the Jews, but because it is the law of God that never change.

Psalms 111:7-8: The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness.
Psalms 119:160: Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.
Mathew 24:35: Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Hebrews 13:8: Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

How could people believe that the Sabbath keeping was put at an end at the cross of Christ?

Hear what Jesus said to his disciples: But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day. (Mathew 24:20).

There were no other people when Jesus told his disciples about the sign of his coming, the end of the world and the destruction of the holy temple in Jerusalem (Mathew 24:3). And when he said that they must pray for the tribulation would not fall on winter or Sabbath day, so they may run away to safety, his disciples has never put in their mind a week without keeping the Sabbath holy. Long after Jesus ascensions, what he told them about the temple in Jerusalem happened, and they remember what he said to them, to pray that this day would not happen on Sabbath day.

So, if Jesus foretold his disciples that they still keep the Sabbath long after his death and ascension to heaven, why people believe that this Sabbath keeping was nailed on his cross??

None of his disciples ever think that the Sabbath keeping would ever be done away. They worship Jesus, their Lord and Savior, who is also Lord of the Sabbath.

Mark 2:28: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.

Since Jesus told them to keep the Sabbath and pray that destruction would not fell on Sabbath day, so they taught their disciples too, and to us as well in this present day.

 

[Arthur57]

Paul was not together with Christ disciples the day they had been foretold about the coming event and destruction of the temple in Jerusalem, so, he didn’t hear Jesus word to pray that the destruction day would not fall on Sabbath day, in order the disciples might flee to safe their life.

But, did he understand that Sabbath keeping as written in the 4th commandment is an everlasting command?

How could he be different?

If Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath has chosen him directly in a very specific way, why would Christ taught him differently than what he had taught his disciples? There is no reason to believe that Christ had taught Paul differently than what he had taught his 12 disciples. Paul understood clearly about the law of God and the weekly rest of the 4th commandment. He had not the slightest objection at all.

Galatians 2:20: I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

If Christ lived in Him, leading his life, his thinking, his doing, as what he had said: For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure (Phil. 2:13), is it possible that his teaching and ideas is promoting the eradication of the law of God, the nailing of the Sabbath commemoration on the cross of Christ? Only those who want to erect another sabbath, who want to change the law of God, would think so!

And who is the most person that want a change the law of God, to nail the Sabbath forever or change it with another day? Satan himself. Why? Because he knew, that those Sabbath keepers are believers that has the strongest and most intimate relationship with Christ, and their teaching to the world would endanger his mission.

Ezekiel 20:19, 20: I am the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them. And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.

I am the Lord your God, is the Lord of the Sabbath.

Isaiah 58:13, 14: If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words. Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

3 things Jesus promise to those who kept his Sabbath holy: 1. To delight in Him. 2. They will travel above the highest places on earth (when Christ took them at his 2nd coming to heaven). 3. They will eat the heritage of Jacob.

And what is the heritage of Jacob? Jeremiah 10:16: The portion of Jacob is not like them: for he is the former of all things; and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: The LORD of hosts is his name.

Praise God, the heritage of Jacob is Christ himself.

What a blessing to those Sabbath keepers.

And Satan knew this, and he tried hard to avert people eyes from the truth, and we can see it from all those hot debate about Sabbath here.

 

[from scratch]

Of the ten... the fourth is the only one explicitely including the "stranger"... which means it is inclusive and not exclusive.

First the 10 Cs aren't addressed to the stranger. the 4th only includes them when within the gates of an Israelite.

 

[from scratch]

GE:

Yes! AND, No!

Christ is not the Sabbath; in Hebrews 4 Christ is the REST OF GOD, and the “sabbatismos” is : “a keeping of the Sabbath Day, REMAINING VALID for the People of God … IF JESUS HAD GIVEN THEM REST” --- verse 9 and 8 in logical sequence for here. In the Letter itself, the logical sequence follows the text-arrangement as it stands: “IF JESUS HAD GIVEN THEM REST God would not speak of another day (of grace) again; AND THEREFORE THEN : a keeping of the Sabbath Day remains valid for the People of God— HE HAVING HAD ENTERED INTO HIS OWN REST AS GOD IN HIS OWN!”

Now this having had given them rest and He having had entered into his own rest, is NOTHING THAN CHRIST THROUGH RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD. That, is undeniable and irrefutable. From this as basis, all further inferences and conclusion should arise and follow after.

The whole chapter and the whole Letter is empty, vacuous apologetic verbosity were it not for this its fundamental point of departure : the Resurrection of Christ from the dead. And the same, applies for interpreting in verse 9 the concept of ‘sabbatismos’, ‘a keeping of the Sabbath Day’.

Conclusion: The “Rest” spoken of is God’s work in and through Jesus Christ; the “keeping of the Sabbath Day” written about, is the work of man remaining his duty AS THE PEOPLE OF GOD under the dispensation of grace.

Im not quite sure I understand what you're saying here. How does the square with Mat 11:28-30, or does it?

 

[from scratch]

Paul was not together with Christ disciples the day they had been foretold about the coming event and destruction of the temple in Jerusalem, so, he didn’t hear Jesus word to pray that the destruction day would not fall on Sabbath day, in order the disciples might flee to safe their life.

But, did he understand that Sabbath keeping as written in the 4th commandment is an everlasting command?

How could he be different?

If Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath has chosen him directly in a very specific way, why would Christ taught him differently than what he had taught his disciples? There is no reason to believe that Christ had taught Paul differently than what he had taught his 12 disciples. Paul understood clearly about the law of God and the weekly rest of the 4th commandment. He had not the slightest objection at all.

Galatians 2:20: I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

If Christ lived in Him, leading his life, his thinking, his doing, as what he had said: For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure (Phil. 2:13), is it possible that his teaching and ideas is promoting the eradication of the law of God, the nailing of the Sabbath commemoration on the cross of Christ? Only those who want to erect another sabbath, who want to change the law of God, would think so!

And who is the most person that want a change the law of God, to nail the Sabbath forever or change it with another day? Satan himself. Why? Because he knew, that those Sabbath keepers are believers that has the strongest and most intimate relationship with Christ, and their teaching to the world would endanger his mission.

Ezekiel 20:19, 20: I am the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them. And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.

I am the Lord your God, is the Lord of the Sabbath.

Isaiah 58:13, 14: If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words. Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

3 things Jesus promise to those who kept his Sabbath holy: 1. To delight in Him. 2. They will travel above the highest places on earth (when Christ took them at his 2nd coming to heaven). 3. They will eat the heritage of Jacob.

And what is the heritage of Jacob? Jeremiah 10:16: The portion of Jacob is not like them: for he is the former of all things; and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: The LORD of hosts is his name.

Praise God, the heritage of Jacob is Christ himself.

What a blessing to those Sabbath keepers.

And Satan knew this, and he tried hard to avert people eyes from the truth, and we can see it from all those hot debate about Sabbath here.

Interesting series of posts. I'm wondering how Jer 31:31-34, Hosea 2:11 and Mat 26:28 fit in to this picture. Can you helpme out here?

 

[Sabbath-Keeper777]

Sun worship is pagan. Sunday worship is just it's christian face. Just as there has been a trinity of gods throughout every culture in the past. I'm afraid Rome, the persecutor of Jews and Christians, has Hijacked the faith and deceived the whole world.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

To say God is the God of the Sabbath Day but that He is the Islamic idolatrous 'unitarian god', is to desecrate the Sabbath Day, and to abuse it against its Creator, God : the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Cursed the thought! Blasphemy is it not only against The Lord, but also against his Holy Day.

God shall bring to judgment every idol word spoken against his Being, the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. As He shall take revenge on the foes of his Being, so shall God avenge his Sabbath on the unitarian hypocrites.

Wait and find out!

 

[from scratch]

Sun worship is pagan. Sunday worship is just it's christian face. Just as there has been a trinity of gods throughout every culture in the past. I'm afraid Rome, the persecutor of Jews and Christians, has Hijacked the faith and deceived the whole world.

So who here worships the Sun or even Sunday as implied by the phrase Sunday worship. I worship God on Sunday. I don't set Sunday aside as a holy day. None of the laws governing the sabbath apply to Sunday.

I have no idea why the subject of trinity of gods is brought up. Obviously there must be a misunderstanding of the Christian doctrine of the trinity. Even in Judaism the evidence is there even from the first book of the Bible. I can cite 2 verses in the first 3 chapters.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Sunday the pagan idolatrous 24-hour-day of nature is TODAY worshiped as never in the past, superstitiously and intentionally against the Word of God through the Scriptures, BY CHRISTIANITY. That is a fact.

It also is a fact not all Christians observing Sundays for the Lord's Day, observe it superstitiously and idolizing, but innocently and unknowingly erring. Nevertheless err they err, whether it is forgiven them or not.

But the informed are without excuse or forgiveness; that shall be visibly proved in the Day of the Coming of Jesus Christ.

 

[from scratch]

Sunday the pagan idolatrous 24-hour-day of nature is TODAY worshiped as never in the past, superstitiously and intentionally against the Word of God through the Scriptures, BY CHRISTIANITY. That is a fact.

It also is a fact not all Christians observing Sundays for the Lord's Day, observe it superstitiously and idolizing, but innocently and unknowingly erring. Nevertheless err they err, whether it is forgiven them or not.

But the informed are without excuse or forgiveness; that shall be visibly proved in the Day of the Coming of Jesus Christ.

I don't understand this post. Is it being promoted that Christians are worshipping Sunday? If so what is being called Christian? What is observing Sunday? I worship God on Sunday. I don't set Sunday aside for God as specified for the Sabbath. Those rules/laws/customs don't apply to Sunday. This week end is a great example of what I do on Sunday. Celebrate/worship the risen Christ.

So you now think that anyone reading your post that doesn't conform to your ideaologies will burn. No forgiveness means no salvation or eternal life.

 

[ricker]

I don't understand this post. Is it being promoted that Christians are worshipping Sunday? If so what is being called Christian? What is observing Sunday? I worship God on Sunday. I don't set Sunday aside for God as specified for the Sabbath. Those rules/laws/customs don't apply to Sunday. This week end is a great example of what I do on Sunday. Celebrate/worship the risen Christ.

So you now think that anyone reading your post that doesn't conform to your ideaologies will burn. No forgiveness means no salvation or eternal life.

Personally I go to church on Sunday mornings and work noon-6pm every Sunday afternoon. My pastor know it and has never even hinted or joked that I shoudn't. So much for us nasty Sunday keepers.........


Edit to add... Years ago I had a devout Catholic boss and he had us work on Sundays sometimes.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

I don't understand this post. Is it being promoted that Christians are worshipping Sunday? If so what is being called Christian? What is observing Sunday? I worship God on Sunday. I don't set Sunday aside for God as specified for the Sabbath. Those rules/laws/customs don't apply to Sunday. This week end is a great example of what I do on Sunday. Celebrate/worship the risen Christ.

So you now think that anyone reading your post that doesn't conform to your ideaologies will burn. No forgiveness means no salvation or eternal life.

GE:

I am not speaking about what you, as yourself, "I", do :"_I_ worship"; "_I_, do on Sunday"; "_I_, don't set apart...".

Meanwhile "_I_", cannot BOTH "not set Sunday apart" AND, "worship God on Sunday". What's the difference? There's NO difference : it's ALL "_I_", who "DO". Now THAT = 'worship' if anything does!

And I don't talk about "_I_" doing or not doing; I talk about what THE CHURCH does while claiming to be "The Body of Christ's Own" and "People of God" --- as ‘The CONGREGATION / COMMUNION / ASSEMBLY of the saints’.

I talk about what YOU as THIS 'Church' do or do not do, not only as concerns the DAY of Christian Worship and as concerns the BODY of Believers, but I talk about TO WHAT LENGTHS YOU-AS-THIS-BODY, AND THIS BODY, WILL GO, AND IN FACT DO OR DO NOT DO AS FAR AS THE SCRIPTURES ARE CONCERNED. JUST LOOK AT HOW THE SCRIPTURES ARE PERVERTED BY THE CHURCH TO WORSHIP ON SUNDAY AND THUS TO WORSHIP SUNDAY, AND TELL ME IT’S NOT IDOLATRY!

 

[heymikey80]

Sun worship is pagan. Sunday worship is just it's christian face. Just as there has been a trinity of gods throughout every culture in the past. I'm afraid Rome, the persecutor of Jews and Christians, has Hijacked the faith and deceived the whole world.

Ye see what is His meaning ; it is not your present Sabbaths that are acceptable [unto Me], but the Sabbath which I have made, in the which, when I have set all things at rest, I will make the beginning of the eighth day which is the beginning of another world. Wherefore also we keep the eighth day for rejoicing, in the which also Jesus rose from the dead, and having been manifested ascended into the heavens. Epistle of Barnabas 15.9, dated to First Century AD.

 

[from scratch]

GE:

I am not speaking about what you, as yourself, "I", do :"_I_ worship"; "_I_, do on Sunday"; "_I_, don't set apart...".

Meanwhile "_I_", cannot BOTH "not set Sunday apart" AND, "worship God on Sunday". What's the difference? There's NO difference : it's ALL "_I_", who "DO". Now THAT = 'worship' if anything does!

And I don't talk about "_I_" doing or not doing; I talk about what THE CHURCH does while claiming to be "The Body of Christ's Own" and "People of God" --- as ‘The CONGREGATION / COMMUNION / ASSEMBLY of the saints’.

I talk about what YOU as THIS 'Church' do or do not do, not only as concerns the DAY of Christian Worship and as concerns the BODY of Believers, but I talk about TO WHAT LENGTHS YOU-AS-THIS-BODY, AND THIS BODY, WILL GO, AND IN FACT DO OR DO NOT DO AS FAR AS THE SCRIPTURES ARE CONCERNED. JUST LOOK AT HOW THE SCRIPTURES ARE PERVERTED BY THE CHURCH TO WORSHIP ON SUNDAY AND THUS TO WORSHIP SUNDAY, AND TELL ME IT’S NOT IDOLATRY!

So sorry you seem to think the issue is I. I can't speak for everybody in Christiendom or even for anybody else. But I can give my testimony. And in that speaking in the first person isn't self centered. As such neither can you speak for everybody in Christendom.

Please explain how the Scriptures are perverted by the Church for or by worshipping on Sunday. There is no command to worship on any certian day in the NC/NT. Please show proof that Christian worship Sunday. I can show without doubt that some sabbatarians worship the sabbath. And that my fiend would be idolatry.

 

[Arthur57]

Interesting series of posts. I'm wondering how Jer 31:31-34, Hosea 2:11 and Mat 26:28 fit in to this picture. Can you helpme out here?

I will start with Hosea 2:11 - I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts.

Did Paul understand the meaning of this verse? Surely he did, because he said the same thing in Colossians 2:16, 17: Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days. Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Does sabbath mentioned here in these verses are the same and identical with the 7th day Sabbath, Sabbath of the Lord God, the day God had blessed and hallowed in Eden? The day that Jesus asked his disciples to pray that their flee to safety when Jerusalem is attacked and destructed would not fall on Sabbath? The day to be sanctified as in the 4th commandment? The day, which Jesus said he is the Lord of the Sabbath?

Of course not!! They are not the same! This is an affirmative answer, definitive and accurate and without doubt at all.

Because, if they are the same, then our God is not as what he had said about himself:

Psalms 111:7-8: The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness.
Psalms 119:160: Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.
Mathew 24:35: Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Hebrews 13:8: Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
James 1:17: Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

If he said that Sabbath keeping is everlasting, so be it. How could he said today that Sabbath keeping is everlasting; and then at another day he said that he wants to make an end to keeping the Sabbath?


If Jesus said that he is the Lord of the Sabbath, then as he is God eternal, the Sabbath should have the same capacity, less then eternal would not be his Sabbath. How could he be the Lord of a day of worship when one day that day would come to an end? It is ridiculous!! And for this we had the proof in the bible: For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD (Isaiah 6:22, 23). This Sabbath day where Jesus Christ is the Lord of that day, is going to be celebrated and sanctified for eternity in the new earth by the redeemed, to worship Jesus Christ, their Redeemer and Creator, the Lord of the Sabbath.

By these facts we knew, that the sabbath days mentioned by Hosea and Paul above is not the 7th day Sabbath of the Lord. It is a different day!