Does the Sabbath still exist?

[bugkiller]

again, no answer from you!

I have no idea what you are talking about. answer to what? If I have not answered it is because I ask a question about what you mean or you didn' like my answer.

So what is your question?

bugkiller

 

[JohnRabbit]

#1
you forgot this..

Now high time the rabbit answers me!

WHY..WHY..this?

Rom 6;14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

Gal 5;18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Why did Paul not want the old system rebuilt? WHY?


Gal 2:18 For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor.

WHY????

#2
You fail to realize Rom 7;25 is what is called by scholars an indacative, where 6;14 is an imperative.

#3
Your trying to stray off on the Adam transgession thing. I was showing a simple turth, that trasngression just meana the violation of a known command.

BUT..BUT..brfore I let you divert, it is your turn to answer the verses I posted here. Thanks..


rabbit stew for you

covered all of that in previous posts.

we are going in a circle here.

you'll never agree with me, and vice versa.

i've enjoyed the conversation though. it is good to know you have a mind toward God and you believe in His Son.

btw, what time is supper?

 

[JohnRabbit]

I have no idea what you are talking about. answer to what? If I have not answered it is because I ask a question about what you mean or you didn' like my answer.

So what is your question?

bugkiller

don't worry about it.

we've beat this up enough.

you see things your way and i see it mine.

but, like i told frogster, it's good that you have a mind toward God and His Christ.

 

[Frogster]

covered all of that in previous posts.

we are going in a circle here.

you'll never agree with me, and vice versa.

i've enjoyed the conversation though. it is good to know you have a mind toward God and you believe in His Son.

btw, what time is supper?

5 pm,and don't be late!

Nice chatting.

By the way, have you seen yosemite?

 

[JohnRabbit]

5 pm,and don't be late!

Nice chatting.

By the way, have you seen yosemite?

yosemitesam has a ton of work this week, but he'll be back.

 

[bugkiller]

don't worry about it.

we've beat this up enough.

you see things your way and i see it mine.

but, like i told frogster, it's good that you have a mind toward God and His Christ.

The door is always open anytime you want to talk bout the Bible. I understand needing a break.

bugkiller

 

[Hismessenger]

Yes, Christ is the Sabbath. Look at all the scriptures about the Sabbath and you will see that they are truly not speaking of a day but of Christ himself.

hismessenger

 

[Paul's Student]

I am confused, did I miss something? Who (what person) changed the Law (Weekly Sabbath, etc)?

 

[from scratch]

I am confused, did I miss something? Who (what person) changed the Law (Weekly Sabbath, etc)?

Welcome to CF Paul's Student.

The short answer is God did? This is not to say that there are not 7 days in a week either.

Have you read the whole thread?

 

[Paul's Student]

No I did not read every word of the thread, some posts are lengthy and to do stay on the subject.

When did God change his own word??

 

[from scratch]

No I did not read every word of the thread, some posts are lengthy and to do stay on the subject.

When did God change his own word??

I know God promised to do so twice. Once in Jer 31:31-34 and once in Hosea 2:11.

I know that Jesus testified that occurred in or by His statement in Mat 26:28 also recorded in MK 12:24, Luke 22:20 and I Cor 11:25. All are statements of Jesus Who is God.

 

[ricker]

No I did not read every word of the thread, some posts are lengthy and to do stay on the subject.

When did God change his own word??

God didn't change His word about the Sabbath. It was given only to the nation of Israel as a sign and a covenant. (Exodus 31) If He were to extend it to anyone else, like the Gentile Christians, He would be changing His word.

 

[Hismessenger]

God never changed His word, simply clarified it. Christ in His own words said, I come to fulfill all that is written of me in the volume of the book. Which book you ask? the only book that was in existance at that time. The old testament. Will post scripture on next post.

hismessenger

 

[Hismessenger]

Here are the scripture and there are more if you care to cross reference them.

Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me.

This is what Christ spoke to his disciples

hismessenger

 

[Steve Petersen]

God didn't change His word about the Sabbath. It was given only to the nation of Israel as a sign and a covenant. (Exodus 31) If He were to extend it to anyone else, like the Gentile Christians, He would be changing His word.

You forget about the 'ger' (stranger.) Check out God's commandments to the stranger who takes hold of His covenant.

 

[from scratch]

You forget about the 'ger' (stranger.) Check out God's commandments to the stranger who takes hold of His covenant.

And you didn't notice that is within thy gates, did ya? Now which stranger is this talking about? Certianly not everybody else in the world and applies only while the or that stranger is within your gates. A protocol if you will.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

God didn't change His word about the Sabbath. It was given only to the nation of Israel as a sign and a covenant. (Exodus 31) If He were to extend it to anyone else, like the Gentile Christians, He would be changing His word.

GE:

God changed his Word on the Sabbath. He left the 'creation motive' out completely in his giving of the Ten Commandments in Deuteronomy 5, and replaced it with the redemption from Egypt 'motive'.

Now God FINALLY changed his Word on the Sabbath in that He completely left out and did away with all old 'motives' to have them replaced by his NEW Redemption-in-Christ-motive and reason. As God already in Exodus prophesied that He "revived" on the Seventh Day Sabbath, so God "in these last days" in Christ Jesus, "thus concerning the Seventh Day spake: And God the Seventh Day ... in the Son ... from ALL his works : RESTED"— "rested" "SABBATH'S"— in that He rose from the dead again according to the explicit statement of its day and time in Matthew 28:1-4, "Sabbath's mid-afternoon", as also according to every other prophetic and Covenantal implication involved about on which day He would rise from the dead again.

 

[visionary]

Of the ten... the fourth is the only one explicitely including the "stranger"... which means it is inclusive and not exclusive.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

I hear some say, '...it was not the law nor the ten commandments that Jesus nailed to the cross. It was the law contained in the ordinances.'


Why do you make the untrue, unreal and unnecessary divisions wherein Christ repaired the breach and brought all things together in Himself? What is the improvement that you might have gained? In Jesus there is no ‘Ordinances’ not also the ‘Law’ not also the ‘Commanments’. He, and in Him, is the sum and totality and fullness and unity of God and of his Word.

Do you see ‘handwritings’ whether “written in ordinances” or “on tables of stone” “TAKEN OUT OF THE WAY” and or “NAILED TO THE CROSS”? No, you don’t, because these are dead things that cannot “make sacrifice of himself” like Jesus the Christ of God, did. Do you see stripes of the cat-o’-nine-tails through parchments? Or is it a crown of thorns He is wearing, the King of the Jews? For, it is written: “The King of the Jews! above his head”! It is written: “The King of the Jews!”— is He therefore the King of the Jews only? Is the Law given to Israel and the Sabbath, the Law and the Sabbath of only the children of Israel? Then is not Christ the Law of God and the only Law of God and therefore God’s Law unto all men? Unto all men unto their ultimate extermination in hell in Jesus Christ in his suffering of humiliation unto death and of DYING death eternal under the eternal wrath of God kindled against all sinners and sin, CONCENTRATED ON HIM AND IN HIM! But you want to sort out and restrict the sins and the punishments for the sins that He bore in our stead “in his own body”? Did Christ suffer because priests offered with unclean hands, ceremonial offerings; or because us, God’s New Testament and royal and holy priesthood, rebelled against his grace and goodwill towards us? Or did Christ die because we daily return God’s love with our own hate and hatefulness? It was the ‘Great Law’ of God no Law is greater than, that Jesus had nailed to the cross IN HIMSELF, or atonement for sins has never been availed AND WE ALL ARE IN OUR SINS STILL and we in vain hope for our resurrection in the last day.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Yes, Christ is the Sabbath. Look at all the scriptures about the Sabbath and you will see that they are truly not speaking of a day but of Christ himself.

hismessenger

GE:

Yes! AND, No!

Christ is not the Sabbath; in Hebrews 4 Christ is the REST OF GOD, and the “sabbatismos” is : “a keeping of the Sabbath Day, REMAINING VALID for the People of God … IF JESUS HAD GIVEN THEM REST” --- verse 9 and 8 in logical sequence for here. In the Letter itself, the logical sequence follows the text-arrangement as it stands: “IF JESUS HAD GIVEN THEM REST God would not speak of another day (of grace) again; AND THEREFORE THEN : a keeping of the Sabbath Day remains valid for the People of God— HE HAVING HAD ENTERED INTO HIS OWN REST AS GOD IN HIS OWN!”

Now this having had given them rest and He having had entered into his own rest, is NOTHING THAN CHRIST THROUGH RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD. That, is undeniable and irrefutable. From this as basis, all further inferences and conclusion should arise and follow after.

The whole chapter and the whole Letter is empty, vacuous apologetic verbosity were it not for this its fundamental point of departure : the Resurrection of Christ from the dead. And the same, applies for interpreting in verse 9 the concept of ‘sabbatismos’, ‘a keeping of the Sabbath Day’.

Conclusion: The “Rest” spoken of is God’s work in and through Jesus Christ; the “keeping of the Sabbath Day” written about, is the work of man remaining his duty AS THE PEOPLE OF GOD under the dispensation of grace.