thanks. was trying to say that in war, pretty much anything goes.I'm not criticizing your answer btw. Just looking at the subject a little deeper in response to word choice.
God be with you.
So are you trying to evade the law with a legalism?I know the 10 commandments command us not to bear false witness against our neighbor but what about other lies?
So what's with God telling Israel to kill whole cities? Doesn't God love them? I thought God is love.thanks. was trying to say that in war, pretty much anything goes.
it does make it hard for christians, because if we love our enemies, we won't kill them (no war), let alone lie to them.
So what's with God telling Israel to kill whole cities? Doesn't God love them? I thought God is love.
So are you trying to evade the law with a legalism?
If a person asks to borrow something and I tell them it is broken when it isn't, am I lying or communicating the item isn't available for them?
No im not. I was just wondering what the OT said about lying.So are you trying to evade the law with a legalism?
If a person asks to borrow something and I tell them it is broken when it isn't, am I lying or communicating the item isn't available for them?
That seems helpful, thank you brinny.What comes to mind for me, is that we are to obey God, rather than man.
That seems helpful, thank you brinny.
Good quote and wise words as well..You are most welcome, my friend.
Life is tough, and can twist us and scatter us AND our thinking, reasoning, and even our hearts.. Thank GOD for HIS guidance when any of our decisions and/or choices rest on, as it were, a thin thin edge, and the very lives and the very blood of innocent people can quite possibly be resting on it.
God is INFINITELY wiser than ANY of us. THe very beginning point is to "fear the Lord". When we do, EVERYTHING else falls into place.
Such was it so for the midwives in Egypt and when Moses was born, and his mother, rather than obey wicked laws that God abhorred, she chose to "fear God", rather than man, when she HID Moses. And as we find later, it surely was God's will that she did.
This comes to mind:
Good quote and wise words as well..
it does make it hard for christians, because if we love our enemies, we won't kill them (no war), let alone lie to them.
Of course we would in certain circumstances.
I knew an elderly French lady who had been a young girl in France during WWII. Her family regularly helped ferry Jews out of the country to safety. That involved frequently lying to Nazi search patrols.
Now, let's say there was a young German lad who had been a member of one of those patrols. At this point, he's never killed anyone--at least not anyone who hadn't been shooting at him.
When this family lied to the Nazi patrol, they not only saved that particular Jew, they also saved this young German lad from having to kill an innocent person. That was a righteous thing.
Lying to the pharaoh to save the Hebrew boys was a righteous thing--scripture says so.
Lying to save Joshua's spies was a righteous thing--scripture says so.
It's not always easy to be Christian, that's true.thanks. was trying to say that in war, pretty much anything goes.
it does make it hard for christians, because if we love our enemies, we won't kill them (no war), let alone lie to them.
Those are rare exceptions.If you're lying to an enemy, as did Rahab and the Hebrew midwives, that's not a problem.
Those are rare exceptions.
For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith.
In combat with the enemy while on the side of justice and mercy and faith, tactical deception is always righteous, not exceptional.
For clarity, not or debate...The number of times God allowed lying in the Bible "are rare exceptions" compared to His emphasis on being honest and telling the truth. That is what I meant, I was not trying to argue or get into some debate.
Bottom line God expects us to be honest and tell the truth in our dealing with people, the circumstances and instances where He would be okay with lying would be "rare exceptions" comparatively speaking.
My original point, in my first post on this topic, was merely to reply to the original post by W2L, which you then quoted I can only imagine because I used the wording "for any reason" (which I could have worded more precisely perhaps), but I do not enjoy straining on a gnat in these matters thus I will not respond any further.But the point is to know the principle that creates the exception.
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