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Doctrines of Devils?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by amariselle, Jul 21, 2017.

  1. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    ".. another matter..." "... .a different master...." yes, Light and dark, life and death..., truth and falseness....
     
  2. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Jesus said that to be His, we must renounce, give up, speak against /society/ mankind/ man's religion/ etc etc/
    To respect God's Word, it is necessary to "come out of Babylon", never trust Babylon, never respect Babylon as if it is anything....
     
  3. Soyeong

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    Throughout these verses Paul is referring to man-made teachings, but we don't know the exact details, such as why they were commanded or to what extent they were commanded. We know that in Colossians 2:20-23, Paul was speaking against those who were promoting human teachings and precepts, self-made religion, asceticism, and severity to the body, so there were people teaching abstinence from what God said was good to eat in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14. However, there conceivably could be good reasons for restricting what God said was good to eat that don't have to do with taking people captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy which depends on human tradition and elemental spiritual forces of the world, such as out of health concerns. Similarly, there could conceivable be good reasons and bad reasons for forbidding marriage.
     
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  4. amariselle

    amariselle Jesus Never Fails

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    I agree with you. I guess we just need to be careful, because I don't believe we should be imposing or demanding such obligations from others.

    If one does abstain from certain foods or does not marry, it needs to be a choice, not a religious demand.
     
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  5. Monk Brendan

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    Some interesting notes on this thread.

    First, I apologize to Korean-American Christian for labeling him KAH. I have no idea how this was so solidly stuck in my mind.

    Second, the only mandates and conditions and doctrines--unmarried clergy, abstaining from meat on Friday, for instance, have only been in place for the Roman Catholic Church. If anyone is interested in starting their own church, then there will have to be some rules put down. I hope that nobody tries to use any unbiblical doctrines to their rules.

    Although I do know that several of such "do it yourself" churches have started, which mandate the use of King James Bible ONLY. And then there are the churches that while quoted in Scripture, do not use the quoted verses in context, but make it a demonic doctrine, such as snake handlers and such. Or the "Old Believers" of Russia that will not bury a man unless he has a full beard. Or the churches that forbid women to even speak in a church building, and they must wear skirts down to their ankles. I've been to more than a few churches in my years, and I have seen these things and many more.

    Even some of the mainstream churches are using "Creator, Redeemer and Sanctifier" as the name of the Holy Trinity, instead of "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit," and that baptize adults in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, the Lord Jesus Christ. Neither of these are Biblically correct. Here is the correct formula:“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:” Mat 28:19.

    It's not just Roman Catholics have a few (or many) "doctrines of demons"
     
  6. Monk Brendan

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    For instance, allowing brother and sister--or even first cousins is a good reason to forbid marriage.
     
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  7. amariselle

    amariselle Jesus Never Fails

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    Again, this is not a thread meant to target Roman Catholicism.

    I agree there must be structure in the Church. I think there is much of value to be found in this regard in Acts and the New Testament Epistles.
     
  8. amariselle

    amariselle Jesus Never Fails

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    Well, yes. It's obvious that circumstances like that make sense.
     
  9. Monk Brendan

    Monk Brendan Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I'm so glad she wasn't brought up in any of the Pre-Reformation Churches!
     
  10. Albion

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    That doesn't represent a prohibition against marrying, however. It just means you cannot marry THAT particular person.
     
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  11. Walter and Deborah

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    The above is full of good scripture, but as I have read the above statement, that I also thought of the below:

    We are supposed to do whatever the scripture said, esp. Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. 1 Timothy 6:5

    Or they have forgotten God and his commandments. That they might set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep his commandments:
    Psalm 78:7, The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. Psalm 9:17 , but the above is to me as warnings. Except they Repent that do such things.
     
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  12. claninja

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    So if the American cancer association starts telling people to abstain from meat, as processed meat is a group 1 carcinogen, than they would be of the devil?
     
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  13. PropheticTimes

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    ;)
     
  14. Soyeong

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    I think it is very clear that teaching obedience to God's commands to abstain from eating certain meats in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14 is teaching the doctrines of God rather than the doctrines of devils. As stated in Leviticus 11:44-45 and 1 Peter 1:13-16, it is about acting according to the holiness of our God. So while there are bad reasons to teach abstinence from eating certain meats, there are nevertheless good reasons to teach abstinence from certain meats, which are part of a religious demand and our relationship with God by grace through faith.
     
  15. Monk Brendan

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    Forgive me, but the first lesson to be learned in Biblical study is to take what the face value of the text says, and if it says, "thou shalt not" then you're not supposed to twist it around to "you must!" Peter was told 3 times to slaughter and eat the "unclean" animals. You can make all the back flips you want to get around it, but slaughter and eat can't be made into "don't eat."
     
  16. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Close but no cigar.
    Look into it, if you want to know the truth.
    Don't bother, if you don't care.
     
  17. amariselle

    amariselle Jesus Never Fails

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    Sigh....you are still missing the point.
     
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  18. Monk Brendan

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    Nor did I say it was. It is just that a lot of anti-Catholicism has crept in to the conversation.
     
  19. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    I think this just confuses most of the world.
    So few ever get to the point of caring to obey God,
    they have no idea what His instructions are,
    and to hear them without seeking Him means nothing to them.
     
  20. amariselle

    amariselle Jesus Never Fails

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    Are we still under the Law?
     
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