Christian "Apostasy" =unpardonable sin doctrine supposed to learn at young age

[Jacque_Pierre22]

All I was taught was OSAS and just believe in Jesus at a young age. Apostates have a false "intellectual" faith just as it says in this book, "Perseverance and Apostasy in the NT". I would say the hardest part to understand is hearing about the word "apostasy" in the first place as an unpardonable sin or an actual doctrine and not just a "phenomena". the most important doctrine I never heard of...
According to the Reformed Presbyterian view, apostasy can be committed by anyone at any time in many ways. I was told that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit/Ghost was impossible nowadays when I heard about it when I was young but apparently that is completely wrong. There are apparently different words for "apostasy" that are all synonyms. I know a lot of Arminians discuss this topic but according to the Presbyterian view, you cannot become saved once you are an "apostate". It's basically set in stone. Apparently only Presbyterian/Reformed take it seriously enough, regardless I never heard about it growing up in a Lutheran church denom. Maybe people get taught about it from their parents. Maybe I was in the one church that didn't mention it in sermons or whatever. Basically has to do with "moral apostasy" following 10 commandments ,more than endless doctrine points which can be corrected; Numbers 15:30 and Leviticus teach only sins of ignorance and unintentional are forgivable. Basically without the Holy Spirit, it is inevitable that one commits apostasy, apostates never received the Holy Spirit. This is basically the whole point of the New Testament, The actual word "apostasy" only occurs maybe once in the NT so I didn't know.
Apostasy= the unpardonable sin = blasphemy of the Holy Spirit(by works Ezek 20:27) = unforgivable sin= denial of Christ = sin against Jesus= sin unto death (1 John 5:16) = sin against conscience= presumptuous sin = high handed sin = willful sin = intentional sin = deliberate sin = "the transgression" (book of Daniel) ; also lying to the Holy Spirit, testing the Lord, contempt of the Word of God, breach of faith

example of saved person, God has mercy :
Hears Gospel at age 7--> repents---> receives Holy Spirit---> is justified--> can now only do "moral aberrations/backsliding" and keeps 10 commandments--> grows in holiness in sanctification
example of apostate, God hardens:
Hears false Gospel at age 7 doesn't get it --> receives Evil Spirit possibly even --> cant' keep 10 commandments (antinomianism)--> apostate, can't repent according to Isaiah 6, Jeremiah 11:11, or Jeremiah 14:11
(*only the Holy Spirit is capable of renewing the mind and heart to make right decisions in life, therefore not renewing yourself at a young age sets you up for failure and apostasy, it's not something you develop, you must ask God )
So basically John 14:15.
So I thought about it as a "phenomenon" or mostly about Christian doctrine but that is not how the New Testament talks about it. You can believe mentally but not be saved, it's just a figment of your imagination if you don't have good works. Seraphim Rose talks about it as a doctrinal phenomenon, that's not what it is. Also most Reformed only quietly talk about it amongst themselves, and they just say "apostasy" , not the "sin of apostasy" so I never got the point of it. Apostasy is a terrible word and then "apostasize" is even more ridiculous wording. Then you have all of these sources saying that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is not possible anymore, that is wrong.
The people who were taught early and received the Holy Spirit, do everything right. Ecclesiastes 12:2,13,14
Repentance is for the young, but they don't tell you unless you're around the right people; The word "traitors" or "betrayers" would be better. So the "unpardonable sin" is not one sin but not receiving/rejecting the Holy Spirit by actions and not dedicating yourself to God ideally at age 7 or 8, which makes sense, a lot of pastors I know say they were saved at a very very young age and explains why society is what it is. it's better to be taught right from a young age as it says in Ecclesiastes and society is designed to make you apostate with the atheist school system and letting you play video games all day or distracted by politics or the stock market; then you would need to find someone to take you to a better church without a train system like in the 1800s with trolleys...instead we have this ridiculous car/bus system, it should be more like Japan... certain parts of the country have it easier. oh well this is just my reflection on this ........good luck to all...

 

[Jacque_Pierre22]

In this respect, receiving the Holy Spirit and knowing you have received Him is way more important than debating Calvinism vs Arminianism or fine points of theology, probably the most important. Don't assume you are regenerated in Baptism . In this regard , I now see the point of Pentecostal people. You can easily be distracted from what's important.

 

[d taylor]

All I was taught was OSAS and just believe in Jesus at a young age. Apostates have a false "intellectual" faith just as it says in this book, "Perseverance and Apostasy in the NT". I would say the hardest part to understand is hearing about the word "apostasy" in the first place as an unpardonable sin or an actual doctrine and not just a "phenomena". the most important doctrine I never heard of...
According to the Reformed Presbyterian view, apostasy can be committed by anyone at any time in many ways. I was told that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit/Ghost was impossible nowadays when I heard about it when I was young but apparently that is completely wrong. There are apparently different words for "apostasy" that are all synonyms. I know a lot of Arminians discuss this topic but according to the Presbyterian view, you cannot become saved once you are an "apostate". It's basically set in stone. Apparently only Presbyterian/Reformed take it seriously enough, regardless I never heard about it growing up in a Lutheran church denom. Maybe people get taught about it from their parents. Maybe I was in the one church that didn't mention it in sermons or whatever. Basically has to do with "moral apostasy" following 10 commandments ,more than endless doctrine points which can be corrected; Numbers 15:30 and Leviticus teach only sins of ignorance and unintentional are forgivable. Basically without the Holy Spirit, it is inevitable that one commits apostasy, apostates never received the Holy Spirit. This is basically the whole point of the New Testament, The actual word "apostasy" only occurs maybe once in the NT so I didn't know.
Apostasy= the unpardonable sin = blasphemy of the Holy Spirit(by works Ezek 20:27) = unforgivable sin= denial of Christ = sin against Jesus= sin unto death (1 John 5:16) = sin against conscience= presumptuous sin = high handed sin = willful sin = intentional sin = deliberate sin = "the transgression" (book of Daniel) ; also lying to the Holy Spirit, testing the Lord, contempt of the Word of God, breach of faith

example of saved person, God has mercy :
Hears Gospel at age 7--> repents---> receives Holy Spirit---> is justified--> can now only do "moral aberrations/backsliding" and keeps 10 commandments--> grows in holiness in sanctification
example of apostate, God hardens:
Hears false Gospel at age 7 doesn't get it --> receives Evil Spirit possibly even --> cant' keep 10 commandments (antinomianism)--> apostate, can't repent according to Isaiah 6, Jeremiah 11:11, or Jeremiah 14:11
(*only the Holy Spirit is capable of renewing the mind and heart to make right decisions in life, therefore not renewing yourself at a young age sets you up for failure and apostasy, it's not something you develop, you must ask God )
So basically John 14:15.
So I thought about it as a "phenomenon" or mostly about Christian doctrine but that is not how the New Testament talks about it. You can believe mentally but not be saved, it's just a figment of your imagination if you don't have good works. Seraphim Rose talks about it as a doctrinal phenomenon, that's not what it is. Also most Reformed only quietly talk about it amongst themselves, and they just say "apostasy" , not the "sin of apostasy" so I never got the point of it. Apostasy is a terrible word and then "apostasize" is even more ridiculous wording. Then you have all of these sources saying that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is not possible anymore, that is wrong.
The people who were taught early and received the Holy Spirit, do everything right. Ecclesiastes 12:2,13,14
Repentance is for the young, but they don't tell you unless you're around the right people; The word "traitors" or "betrayers" would be better. So the "unpardonable sin" is not one sin but not receiving/rejecting the Holy Spirit by actions and not dedicating yourself to God ideally at age 7 or 8, which makes sense, a lot of pastors I know say they were saved at a very very young age and explains why society is what it is. it's better to be taught right from a young age as it says in Ecclesiastes and society is designed to make you apostate with the atheist school system and letting you play video games all day or distracted by politics or the stock market; then you would need to find someone to take you to a better church without a train system like in the 1800s with trolleys...instead we have this ridiculous car/bus system, it should be more like Japan... certain parts of the country have it easier. oh well this is just my reflection on this ........good luck to all...

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I see your problem you have been taught false gospels

example of saved person, God has mercy :
Hears Gospel at age 7--> repents---> receives Holy Spirit---> is justified--> can now only do "moral aberrations/backsliding" and keeps 10 commandments--> grows in holiness in sanctification
example of apostate, God hardens:
Hears false Gospel at age 7 doesn't get it --> receives Evil Spirit possibly even --> cant' keep 10 commandments (antinomianism)--> apostate, can't repent according to Isaiah 6, Jeremiah 11:11, or Jeremiah 14:11

There is no mention in your gospels about believing in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life. And believing in Jesus for Eternal Life is the only way you can be born again and become a pernamnet child of God.

 

[fhansen]

In this respect, receiving the Holy Spirit and knowing you have received Him is way more important than debating Calvinism vs Arminianism or fine points of theology, probably the most important. Don't assume you are regenerated in Baptism . In this regard , I now see the point of Pentecostal people. You can easily be distracted from what's important.

That's what I thought. But I saw more bogus stuff that was attributed to the Spirit in an AOG church I attended for 3 years, than anywhere outside.

Either way, we must remain walking by the Spirit, whether we met and united with Him as a child or as an adult. It's an ongoing journey