Doctrines of Devils?

[amariselle]

That is not true. What He showed Peter in the vision was that GENTILES were not unclean.

Yes, and the Gentiles ate "unclean" meat. Nor were the Gentiles ever taught in Scripture to stop doing so. Paul is clear in his rebuke of Jews that were trying to tell Gentile believers that they had to keep the Jewish Law and customs to be saved.

 

[Albion]

Yes, unfortunately, and as the Bible says, Satan can and does "masquerade as an angel of light."

Exactly. I too thought of that verse when I was writing the post above.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Thank you! I am very proud of her for undertaking this at her age. She truly desires to know the truth.

This is wonderful! I'm sure you keep praying.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Yes, and the Gentiles ate "unclean" meat. Nor were the Gentiles ever taught in Scripture to stop doing so. Paul is clear in his rebuke of Jews that were trying to tell Gentile believers that they had to keep the Jewish Law and customs to be saved.

It's interesting how in Acts the Lord teaches Peter, by the vision of animals no longer unclean, how to view the Gentiles in evangelism.

 

[PropheticTimes]

This is wonderful! I'm sure you keep praying.

Absolutely. She comes to me with questions also, which I hope is helping.

 

[amariselle]

It's interesting how in Acts the Lord teaches Peter, by the vision of animals no longer unclean, how to view the Gentiles in evangelism.

Absolutely. As a "Gentile" I am so grateful that God made it clear the Gospel was to be preached not only to the Jews, but to all mankind.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Yes, and the Gentiles ate "unclean" meat. Nor were the Gentiles ever taught in Scripture to stop doing so. Paul is clear in his rebuke of Jews that were trying to tell Gentile believers that they had to keep the Jewish Law and customs to be saved.

Gentiles were not Jews...Peter was a Jew

 

[amariselle]

Gentiles were not Jews...Peter was a Jew

Did I say otherwise?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Did I say otherwise?

God did not tell Peter HE could eat unclean meats...

 

[Dkh587]

I agree. Jesus did not forbid marriage. God told Peter that it is okay to eat food that had been considered unclean for the Israelites since Old Testament times. Paul did write that it is better to be married than to burn with lust.

Acts 10:28 - Peter did not say God showed him he can eat unclean meat, he said that God showed him he should call no man common or unclean. And keep in mind that Peter had never eaten unclean meat even after the Messiah had ascended to heaven. The vision was not teaching Peter it was okay to eat swine!

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

That is not true. What He showed Peter in the vision was that GENTILES were not unclean.

He used the eating of unclean animals as a symbol of a command to eat proselytize gentiles. You can't divorce the two and expect the relationship to stand. If one is true, then the other is going to have to be true, or the analogy is worthless.

That brings us back to the point that no one really knew why the heck God didn't want people eating those things in the first place. To simply call them "unclean" explains nothing. Both beef and swine are equally dirty and parasite-ridden. A cloven hoof appears to confer no dietary value. I've heard a lot of conjured explanations, all of which amount to nothing so lofty as an educated guess. If the animal sacrifices in the Old Testament stood as a symbol of the crucifixion that was to come, then the dietary laws could easily have been there for no other purpose than to symbolize the separation of the Jews from the Gentiles, a preliminary to the vision that was to come.

 

[amariselle]

God did not tell Peter HE could eat unclean meats...

I think the Bible is clear that what we eat does not defile us. I think that would include Peter being undefiled by what he ate.

In any case, I never said Peter wasn't a Jew.

Also, remember, Paul was also a Jew, and a "Pharisee of the Pharisees", but he makes it clear that he was no longer under the Law.

 

[amariselle]

Acts 10:28 - Peter did not say God showed him he can eat unclean meat, he said that God showed him he should call no man common or unclean. And keep in mind that Peter had never eaten unclean meat even after the Messiah had ascended to heaven. The vision was not teaching Peter it was okay to eat swine!

Do you think that what we eat defiles us?

 

[faroukfarouk]

Do you think that what we eat defiles us?

Matthew 15.11

 

[Dkh587]

Do you think that what we eat defiles us?

Yes, according to God, eating unclean animals defiles you. I don't think you can be defiled by not washing your hands before you eat, as Jesus taught, but eating unclean animals defiles us.

Leviticus 11:43-45
Ye shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing that creepeth, neither shall ye make yourselves unclean with them, that ye should be defiled thereby. For I am יהוה your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. For I am יהוה that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I think the Bible is clear that what we eat does not defile us. I think that would include Peter being undefiled by what he ate.

In any case, I never said Peter wasn't a Jew.

Are you a Jew? If not, fine then! Gentiles are not to eat meat sacrificed to idols or blood. Acts 15:29

 

[claninja]

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained." 1 Timothy 4:1-6

If the Bible says that forbidding to marry and commanding that people "abstain" from meats are "doctrines of devils", why do so many Christians accept these restrictions (often commanded and imposed by church leadership) as actually from God Himself?

Thoughts?

So being vegan is of the devil?

 

[Monk Brendan]

In the 11th century, a certain high ranking church official issued a decree requiring all church leaders to be celibate

This is untrue. He was speaking only of clergy in the Roman Catholic Church, and not ALL of the Pre-Reformation Churches. And he was speaking only of Clergy, and not lay leaders. To try to lump all of them in the same basket is not only unfair, it is NOT TRUE!

 

[Monk Brendan]

It is interesting and, I think, very important to think about. After all, if Scripture clarifies something is not of God, then we should reject it.

Forgive me, but I know of nowhere, in ANY version of the Scriptures, that mentions computers, or electricity, or automobiles, etc. They exist, but to say that just because it is not in the Bible is not ethical.

 

[Albion]

Forgive me, but I know of nowhere, in ANY version of the Scriptures, that mentions computers, or electricity, or automobiles, etc. They exist, but to say that just because it is not in the Bible is not ethical.

That's a misreading of what amariselle wrote.

 

[Widlast]

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained." 1 Timothy 4:1-6

If the Bible says that forbidding to marry and commanding that people "abstain" from meats are "doctrines of devils", why do so many Christians accept these restrictions (often commanded and imposed by church leadership) as actually from God Himself?

Thoughts?

You are painting with a very broad brush.
Abstinence from meat is vegetarianism or veganism, not avoiding meat on Fridays.
Both Paul and Peter said that celibacy was preferred for clergy (though not mandatory).
And you may have noticed that God places a premium on virginity.