Doctrines of Devils?

[yeshuaslavejeff]

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[Monk Brendan]

I only meant to say, celibacy isn't mandated in Scripture.

Yes, St. Paul said it is better to marry than burn. He was speaking of his own celibacy. True, it isn't MANDATED, but it is what St. Paul was speaking about.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Yes, well, I don't think you have a right or any basis for accusing me of taking away from or adding to God's word. Now, can we please stay on topic?

Correct : I did not accuse you of anything. I asked you to clarify why you are doing something - you might or might not do what is wrong, I don't know.

 

[amariselle]

I don't believe for a minute your memory is so bad.

I see, because you equate the Jewish Law with civil laws, somehow I'm avoiding an honest question and therefore adding to/taking away from God's word?

There isn't even any comparison, nor is that or my personal motives or faith the topic of this thread.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Forgive me, but the first lesson to be learned in Biblical study is to take what the face value of the text says, and if it says, "thou shalt not" then you're not supposed to twist it around to "you must!" Peter was told 3 times to slaughter and eat the "unclean" animals. You can make all the back flips you want to get around it, but slaughter and eat can't be made into "don't eat."

Is that what you seriously think what was meant by that passage? That God told Peter, a Jew, that it was OK to eat unclean animals? I mean it says "He said to them, “You know how unlawful it is for a Jew to associate with a foreigner or visit him. But God has shown me that I should not call any man impure or unclean.

 

[amariselle]

Yes, St. Paul said it is better to marry than burn. He was speaking of his own celibacy. True, it isn't MANDATED, but it is what St. Paul was speaking about.

Agreed. It was not mandated, and we know Peter (and likely other disciples) were married.

The point is it was not forbidden.

 

[Goatee]

Jesus fasted for 40 days and 40 nights. Was He wrong to do that? No, of course He wasn't.

Remember, the Holy Spirit walks with those that walk with Christ. Some choose not to marry, some to be celibate, some to abstain from meat etc etc.

Do Gods will and don't concern yourself with what others do. It could very well be Gods will that they do it!

 

[amariselle]

Jesus fasted for 40 days and 40 nights. Was He wrong to do that? No, of course He wasn't.

Remember, the Holy Spirit walks with those that walk with Christ. Some choose not to marry, some to be celibate, some to abstain from meat etc etc.

Do Gods will and don't concern yourself with what others do. It could very well be Gods will that they do it!

Exactly. It must be a choice. As these verses say however, marriage and eating certain foods will be forbidden. When that happens it is no longer a choice, but rather something you are told you must do to serve God. I think it's very clear from Scripture that when demands like this are imposed on people by others, that is not of God.

 

[Monk Brendan]

That doesn't represent a prohibition against marrying, however. It just means you cannot marry THAT particular person.

No, it means a prohibited CLASS of people, brothers, sisters, father, mother, first cousin, etc. We do know the reasons WHY this is prohibited, of course, but it is still a prohibition.

 

[amariselle]

No, it means a prohibited CLASS of people, brothers, sisters, father, mother, first cousin, etc. We do know the reasons WHY this is prohibited, of course, but it is still a prohibition.

I think what he was trying to say is that it isn't the same as forbidding marriage altogether. (Which is what these Scriptures are referring to).

 

[Monk Brendan]

As these verses say however, marriage and eating certain foods will be forbidden.

Which exact churches prohibit certain people from marrying or eating certain foods?

Forgive me, I AM pointing to a Scriptural principal here, but I need more information.

 

[Goatee]

Exactly. It must be a choice. As these verses say however, marriage and eating certain foods will be forbidden. When that happens it is no longer a choice, but rather something you are told you must do to serve God. I think it's very clear from Scripture that when demands like this are imposed on people by others, that is not of God.

Depends if it is the work of the Holy Spirit though

 

[amariselle]

Which exact churches prohibit certain people from marrying or eating certain foods?

Forgive me, I AM pointing to a Scriptural principal here, but I need more information.

I think pretty much everyone knows the answer to that question. I'm not trying to avoid the question, however, as I said, this thread is not intended to target specific churches.

I truly do not think it would be helpful in the least to make that part of this conversation.

I will say this much, among many other concerns, I wonder what such teachings are doing in various churches today. (And it's not just one particular denomination by the way). Seems pretty important that we listen to what Scripture has to say about this.

 

[amariselle]

Depends if it is the work of the Holy Spirit though

Well, that would be between each person and God. We don't have any way of discerning whether that is truly the case in someone else's life.

 

[Goatee]

Well, that would be between each person and God. We don't have any way of discerning whether that is truly the case in someone else's life.

That's why it is always better to concern ones self with the plank in ones own eye before looking at ones brothers eye!

 

[Monk Brendan]

He does not respect them at all

Earlier in the post you said

God is no respecter of persons

Huh? If God is no respecter of persons, that means that EVERYONE is in the same boat as the people you are trying to put in there. God is ALWAYS consistent.

 

[amariselle]

That's why it is always better to concern ones self with the plank in ones own eye before looking at ones brothers eye!

Yes. I agree.

Also, we search the Scriptures to be sure that what we are told or experience is in accordance with his word. It believe that is so very important.

 

[PropheticTimes]

Yes. I agree.

Also, we search the Scriptures to be sure that what we are told or experience is in accordance with his word. It believe that is so very important.

Indeed, it is key to discerning God's truth from man's truth.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Indeed, it is key to discerning God's truth from man's truth.

Yes, the believer's prayerful Bible knowledge is a formidable, spiritual weapon. Ephesians 6 speaks of the 'sword of the Spirit' as part of the whole armor of God.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I see, because you equate the Jewish Law with civil laws, somehow I'm avoiding an honest question and therefore adding to/taking away from God's word?

There isn't even any comparison, nor is that or my personal motives or faith the topic of this thread.

Did you notice the topic of the title, and the op, and the thread ? (of course you did).

Why do you think there is here such controversy over TORAH ?
It is because the devil hates it.

See in the title "doctrines of devils" ?

Now, do you think you should obey man's laws, and NOT OBEY GOD ? if so, why ?

And, if you do obey man's laws, then why not obey God's Laws, which are much better ?

Who do you think started the doctrines of devils, opposed to God's Laws, opposed to God's Word, opposed to Salvation, and opposed to Jesus ?