Do we want to 'be taken' or 'left behind'?

[Choose Wisely]

Hi Choose Wisely...
Peace to you...
Let's see if this makes sense to you or drives you to drinkin' in your hotrod Lincoln...hahaha...tryin' to be funny...and probably not to good at it...

A quick glance at what I believe has been done already:
1. Jews must be gathered back to their land from among the nations...
Israel became a nation again after around 2,500 years; May 14th,1948.
2. 'The parable of the fig tree' in Matthew 24:32-35
a. The generation of the fig tree must be present and active which
it is...70 year generation born from 1948 thru 2018.
3. The seals on the scroll of God must be revealed and active...and I
believe, as shown in a recent post, they are now in progress.
4. The 4 horsemen of Revelation chapter 6 must be present...and I believe
they are here and active on earth now.
5. The Antichrist, the first horseman on the white horse, must be in a very
powerful position and looked upon by many as the one leader able to
bring peace and safety to the world...which I believe is done but I can
not get into it right now for fear of being suspended from CF.
6. I believe the first half, or 42 months, of tribulation has begun.
7. A covenant must be confirmed between Antichrist and Israel...and I
believe it is already done but can not show why for the same reason as
in #3.
But, I can say this: Daniel 9:27 does not mean a signed 7 year peace
treaty between Israel and the Palestinians or the Arab nations brokered
by the Antichrist as taught by many leaders in our churches of today.
He does not need to do this but rather just 'confirm' a previous
'covenant' already made with Israel.

What still must happen:
1. A Socialist One World Order/Government must be sanctioned and come
to power.
2. The Antichrist, or a clone, must receive a 'mortal' head wound that will
be miraculously healed after he has been pronounced dead.
I believe this may have already happened by a symbolic mortal wound.
3. The Jewish tabernacle in Jerusalem, or a semile of, must be rebuilt.
4. Blood sacrifice must be allowed in the temple/tabernacle.
5. The Antichrist must break the covenant with Israel.
6. The Antichrist or his image, maybe a clone, while in the temple, must
demand to be worshiped as God.
7. The 'False Prophet' will have arrived on the scene to perform miracles
before the eyes of the whole world while in the presense of the man
beast...Antichrist...and demand that all people take his 'mark'.
8. The devil will be cast out of heaven to the earth with great wrath for
a short time and be the real power behind the Antichrist and the False
Prophet during the Great Tribulation.
9. Great Tribulation / the Trumpets and the Bowls of the Wrath of God and
the wrath of Satan begins on earth.
10. God's Two Witnesses will prophesy during this time.
11. World War, most likely nuclear, will erupt but will not be world wide.
But, most every nation in the world will be involved in one way or the
other. As we even see now, they will be aligned together just as the
Bible foretold.
12. Nations of the world will gather their armies to a place in Israel for the
great battle called Armageddon
13. The Two Witnesses will be killed and left where they are for 3 1/2
days and then be told to 'come up here' and be resurrected and it will
be witnessed by the whole world.
14. Within one hour of their resurrection our Lord will return and do His
Mighty Works as foretold.

This is a synopsis and probably somewhat inaccurate as I posted most of this information from my memory of what I have learned during my studies of the biblical end time prophecies.

I am sure I will have some of you come at me pretty hard now... especially with the unanswered questions...enjoy yourself friends...that's part of what we are here for...right?

peace and love to all...God Bless

Peace to you brother,

You have all kinds of problems here, but I've got no time to answer now.

Let me give you the short version. Nothing can start until a 7 year covenant is confirmed, so we can't be in the middle of anything.

 

[Truth Files]

"you're going to be sorely disappointed when it doesn't happen.

for your own sake, be ready for it to not happen, because it's not going to happen when you say it will

certain things must happen before Christ returns"


>No, you are when it does .... get out your crying towel and prepare to grind your teeth

>Tell me what things need to happen before and I want scripture from you to back up your folly

>Then I will show that what you present is a reflection of your own ill standing:

Matthew
25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

25:29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Revelation
3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

 

[Kaitlin08]

I don't believe we're destined to leave Earth to death and decay, but instead we're to actively take part, in the present, in the restoration that began with Christ's resurrection and will be finished when He returns and the dead are resurrected.

Doesn't this view tend to make a person think that the better the world becomes, the more likely it is Christ will return quickly? Nothing that we do can make him return faster. Still it's the responsibility of people to do what they can to improve the state of things.

This is why the rapture and related doctrines are beside the point.

 

[cf4rc]

Peace to you Truth Files...
I have deleted the prideful defense of myself...
But...I will leave this...for both of us...and others...
Matthew 7:1-5; *Judge not, that ye be not judged. *For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. *And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? *Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam [is] in thine own eye? *Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Hmmmmm...are we judging?

peace to you and yours...God Bless

 

[interpreter]

It will be no such pre tribulation. If you read carefully in the parable of the ten virgins and in the other instances mentioned before, the amount of persons taken is equal to the amount of persons left.

A very good observation. Up to half the world's population will be taken in the Battle of Ar Mageddon and the 7 last plagues that we are now seeing, and those left behind will live to see a glorious 1000 year reign of the Church.

 

[cf4rc]

Peace to you...

Originally from Truth Files...
>Tell me what things need to happen before and I want scripture from you to back up your folly
>Then I will show that what you present is a reflection of your own ill standing:

Second reply:
What still must happen:
1. A Socialist One World Order/Government must be sanctioned and come to power.
The Socialist part is not biblical but I added it due to the times, the number of socialist governments around the world now, America heading there very quickly and that 'Socialism' is 'BIG GOVERNMENT' and ideal for a One World Order that will have to be socialistic in nature to work.
Revelation 13:1-2; *And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. *And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as [the feet] of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Revelation 13:16-17; *And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: *And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Revelation 17:9-13; *And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. *And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. *And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. *And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. *These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
2. The Antichrist, or a clone, must receive a 'mortal' head wound that will be miraculously healed after he has been pronounced dead.
I believe this may have already happened by a symbolic mortal wound.
Revelation 13:3; *And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Revelation 13:12; *And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Revelation 13:14; *And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by [the means of] those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
3. The Jewish tabernacle in Jerusalem, or a semile of, must be rebuilt.
Daniel 11:31; *And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily [sacrifice], and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
Daniel 12:11; *And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Matthew 24:15; *When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
2 Thessalonians 2:4; *Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Just so you will know when this is to happen:
Daniel 12:4: *But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, [even] to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Daniel 12:11 above...
Matthew 24:14; *And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
See 24:15 above...
4. Blood sacrifice must be allowed in the temple/tabernacle.
Daniel 9:27; partial verse: *and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease
5. The Antichrist must break the covenant with Israel.
Daniel 9:27; *And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
6. The Antichrist or his image, maybe a clone, while in the temple, must demand to be worshiped as God.
2 Thessalonians 2:4; *Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Revelation 13:6; *And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7. The 'False Prophet' will have arrived on the scene to perform miracles before the eyes of the whole world while in the presense of the man beast...Antichrist...and demand that all people take his 'mark'.
Revelation 13:11-17; *And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. *And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. *And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, *And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by [the means of] those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. *And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. *And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: *And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
8. The devil will be cast out of heaven to the earth with great wrath for a short time and be the real power behind the Antichrist and the False Prophet during the Great Tribulation.
Revelation 12:7-10; *And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, *And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. *And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. *And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Revelation 12:12-13; *Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. *And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man [child].
9. Great Tribulation / the Trumpets and the Bowls of the Wrath of God and the wrath of Satan begins on earth.
The Trumpets are not the wrath of God...it is the Bowls of the Wrath of God but since both are opened by angels and all 14 judgments come in rapid succession I believe they are both part of the Great Tribulation...
I'm not going to go through all the Trumpets and Bowls...you know where they are...and the Wrath of God is from Revelation 14:10 - 16:1.
See Revelation 12:12 above...
Revelation 13:4; *And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who [is] like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
10. God's Two Witnesses will prophesy during this time.
Revelation 11:3,6; *And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. *These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
11. World War, most likely nuclear, will erupt but will not be world wide. But, most every nation in the world will be involved in one way or the other. As we even see now, they will be aligned together just as the Bible foretold.
Ezekiel Chapters 38 and 39 name almost all the nations that still exist and will join together to try to destroy Israel.
Zechariah 14:12; *And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
12. Nations of the world will gather their armies to a place in Israel for the great battle called Armageddon
Revelation 16:14,16; *For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, [which] go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. *And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
13. The Two Witnesses will be killed and left where they are for 3 1/2
days and then be told to 'come up here' and be resurrected and it will be witnessed by the whole world.
Revelation 11:7; *And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Revelation 11:9; *And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
Revelation 11:11-12; *And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. *And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
14. Within one hour of their resurrection our Lord will return and do His Mighty Works as foretold.
Revelation 11:13; *And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Revelation 11:15; *And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become [the kingdoms] of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

If you plan to deny what is here from the scriptures without further study...which I fully expect you to do...don't come back with a lot of talk but no action...I've done what you asked, well demanded, me to do...try to control you attitude and present yourself as a wise person worth maybe listening to...OK?...OK!

peace and love...God Bless

 

[Truth Files]

No .... not OK

You have some flaws in your listing above as I see it

And believe me .... I have spent the time in the study 30+ years [Bible and ancient Middle Eastern history]

Not a brag ..... just a fact

Those who engage the prophetic scriptures are at different levels of understanding along the way and some progress in the right direction .... others do not for various reasons

I will answer reasonable questions from any who want my interpretive opinions and if you want I will address each of your statements listed .... but one at a time please

I can address all of them .... it's up to you

So I will wait for you to make your selections if you chose to do it

 

[Almighty's humble servant]

No .... not OK

You have some flaws in your listing above as I see it

And believe me .... I have spent the time in the study 30+ years [Bible and ancient Middle Eastern history]

Not a brag ..... just a fact

Those who engage the prophetic scriptures are at different levels of understanding along the way and some progress in the right direction .... others do not for various reasons

I will answer reasonable questions from any who want my interpretive opinions and if you want I will address each of your statements listed .... but one at a time please

I can address all of them .... it's up to you

So I will wait for you to make your selections if you chose to do it

Brother TF,

I will tell you from my own personal experience. Pride blinds ALL men who are trying to see anything.

That's all.

30 years. 30 days. 30 minutes. 30 seconds. Each according to the time the Holy Spirit has allotted.

Indeed there is not ONE with all the answers. No, not ONE. But I tell you this. If I should blind myself to your opinions, then perhaps I shall miss something the Lord has wanted me to see.

Take it for what it's worth. But unless the Son of God Himself is posting here, there is none greater than another.

Talk like as above was commonplace in the circles of the pharisees.

 

[cf4rc]

No .... not OK

You have some flaws in your listing above as I see it

And believe me .... I have spent the time in the study 30+ years [Bible and ancient Middle Eastern history]

Not a brag ..... just a fact

Those who engage the prophetic scriptures are at different levels of understanding along the way and some progress in the right direction .... others do not for various reasons

I will answer reasonable questions from any who want my interpretive opinions and if you want I will address each of your statements listed .... but one at a time please

I can address all of them .... it's up to you

So I will wait for you to make your selections if you chose to do it

Good Lord...every 'answer' was reasonable from my standpoint...I didn't ask you any 'questions'...if you saw flaws in my listing...why didn't you just address them in an acceptable way?...but you chose not to...

...you just proved why I said what I did about your attitude and why I asked you to reply as a wise person...OK...OK...And look at your answer - No .... Not OK! Well, I guess that answers that in a very clear way!

What can I say other than you sound like a very pompous, beligerant, self indulgent, dis-respectful person to me right now...not worth my time at the moment.

peace to you...RC

I deleted some of this post...decided it was not necessary or wise at this time...

 

[zeke37]

Peace to you...

Ha, you get going like I do sometimes...oh, all right...most of the time...

Interesting analysis...

Some of it right...some wrong...some a little too much off the 'mark' to convince me...

A few to many if's and maybe's...but that can be a very good sign that you are still a humble person...looking for answers...not thinking you know it all...yet...still willing to listen and possibly learn as we all should be...

Antichrist does all things through lies and deception and stealth...nothing will be as it seems...he will do all as foretold but not in ways easily seen as so many expect.

I can see that you are good man dedicated to the Lord and the study of His Word...
So, be a watchman...be aware of the subtle things that are happening all around you right now...that will make you wise to where we are in biblical prophecy of our time...

peace and love...God Bless

a person can have "the" mark for either God or Satan.

God's mark is described in Ex13, Deut6 and Deut11

and it is not a physical mark.

 

[papaJP]

Note that Matthew 24:40 won't occur until the second coming of Jesus Christ (Matthew 24:39b-40), which won't occur until after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-30) of Revelation chapters 6-18. Those "taken" at the second coming (Matthew 24:39b-40) will be unsaved people who will be taken where they will be killed and birds will eat their dead bodies (Luke 17:36-37; Matthew 24:28, cf. Job 39:30b; Revelation 19:21). The Greek word "paralambano" ("taken": Matthew 24:40) can be used to refer to being taken to another place to be killed (e.g. John 19:16-18).
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Are you a non saved Jew. The second coming will be before the tribulation and you are in a very dangerous position if you mislead seekers with these type statements.

I will stand and wait to see who is looking down at whom when Jesus comes back in the second coming.

 

[papaJP]

First I must say the question is nonsenseical. If you want to be left behind then you do not understand the Judgement that is coming. If you are wanting to be taken to avoid the tribulation ony then you may not be taken. Only if you believe and walk the walk will you be able to prepare to be taken.

Why would anyone pose such a unbiblical question to create problems with those who are trying to learn and become true Christians?

 

[LovedofHim]

The church has endured the tribulation since the desolation of Israel just as Jesus declared in Matt 24 and Rev 7.

It is wrath that we are not appointed to suffer and will be removed/gathered prior to.

The Day of the Lord begins with wrath: wrath against the devil and the fallen angels, hence their casting down to the earth; wrath against evil and unprepared men, hence God using the devil to force them to make a choice for eternity.

This is why the church is standing in heaven, in Revelation 7, having come out of great tribulation prior to the Day of the Lord when wrath begins.

On that same note, this is why the church is dwelling in heaven when the devil is cast down and the antichrist arises and blasphemes us "heaven dwellers" in Revelation 12/13.

 

[zeke37]

Note that Matthew 24:40 won't occur until the second coming of Jesus Christ (Matthew 24:39b-40), which won't occur until after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-30) of Revelation chapters 6-18. Those "taken" at the second coming (Matthew 24:39b-40) will be unsaved people who will be taken where they will be killed and birds will eat their dead bodies (Luke 17:36-37; Matthew 24:28, cf. Job 39:30b; Revelation 19:21). The Greek word "paralambano" ("taken": Matthew 24:40) can be used to refer to being taken to another place to be killed (e.g. John 19:16-18).
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Are you a non saved Jew. The second coming will be before the tribulation and you are in a very dangerous position if you mislead seekers with these type statements.

the poster was correct...you are incorrect.

24But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

I will stand and wait to see who is looking down at whom when Jesus comes back in the second coming.

wow...what an attitude!

in the parable in Mat24, which was what the OP was all about,
the ones taken were taken in the flood....
Noah and his family were the only ones left

that is the point!

a flood is coming...don't be taken in it...

 

[zeke37]

First I must say the question is nonsenseical. If you want to be left behind then you do not understand the Judgement that is coming.

if you wanna be taken, then you do not understand the test that is to come upon us all

If you are wanting to be taken to avoid the tribulation ony then you may not be taken. Only if you believe and walk the walk will you be able to prepare to be taken.

there is no fictional pre trib rapture
if you wanna be taken, then you have not read with understanding, Mat24's parable
concerning Noah and the Flood, and how that will be like Christ's return

don't be taken in the flood

Why would anyone pose such a unbiblical question to create problems with those who are trying to learn and become true Christians?

perhaps to counter a theology such as yours
that will for sure mislead those searching for Biblical truth.

 

[yedida]

if you wanna be taken, then you do not understand the test that is to come upon us all



there is no fictional pre trib rapture
if you wanna be taken, then you have not read with understanding, Mat24's parable
concerning Noah and the Flood, and how that will be like Christ's return

don't be taken in the flood



perhaps to counter a theology such as yours
that will for sure mislead those searching for Biblical truth.

Good morning Zeke,
I think most of the pre-tribbers are such because they are also dispensationalists - the two theologies began surfacing around the same time and they compliment each other. You almost can't believe in dispensationism and not believe in a pre-trib rapture, they're almost inseparable.
Neither work, neither are scriptural. Dispensationalism stops just short of saying that God had back-up plans in case His original plan didn't work! The theology doesn't say that in words, but that's the implication, that's what is inferred.
Keep on teaching, brother, I think you've pretty much got it. How ever long the last 3 1/2 years will be (after it has been shortened for the elect's sake) I think it is all tied into the fall feasts (and those last 3 will be fulfilled in succession, in one season just like the spring feasts were fulfilled).

 

[cf4rc]

a person can have "the" mark for either God or Satan.

God's mark is described in Ex13, Deut6 and Deut11

and it is not a physical mark.

Hi Zeke,
Yes I agree...great observation...
I believe that the 'mark - 666' on/in the forehead in Revelation chapter 13 is the exact same type of 'mark' as the 'mark' of God...not a brand, etching or tattoo...it is what is on/in your mind...behind the forehead. Who you have decided in your mind, and heart, to love and obey.

peace and love...God Bless

 

[B1inHim]

I plan on getting in the boat to be taken and not be left behind.

NOT before the apostasy and the man of sin is revealed.

NOT before the GT begins.

Right where I belong, among the Great Multitude that is TAKEN out of the Great Tribulation.

Go figure.

HOW could all those individuals be left behind like all you POST believers think, when the scripture actually says "come out of.."

"Come" an action word, unlike stay which takes no action at all.

Look it up...

Remember, the wise were taken, the foolish are left out and behind.

By and in His Love,
Brother Jerry

 

[Choose Wisely]

I plan on getting in the boat to be taken and not be left behind.

Ditto

 

[zeke37]

Good morning Zeke,
I think most of the pre-tribbers are such because they are also dispensationalists - the two theologies began surfacing around the same time and they compliment each other. You almost can't believe in dispensationism and not believe in a pre-trib rapture, they're almost inseparable.
Neither work, neither are scriptural. Dispensationalism stops just short of saying that God had back-up plans in case His original plan didn't work! The theology doesn't say that in words, but that's the implication, that's what is inferred.
Keep on teaching, brother, I think you've pretty much got it. How ever long the last 3 1/2 years will be (after it has been shortened for the elect's sake) I think it is all tied into the fall feasts (and those last 3 will be fulfilled in succession, in one season just like the spring feasts were fulfilled).

Hello Yedida,
i basically agree with you, and my thinking is the fall feasts as well...

the season of the locust is May-Sept...
which is also the same length and time of the year
that the flood of Noah's day was on the earth before subsiding...

5 months...

Hi Zeke,
Yes I agree...great observation...
I believe that the 'mark - 666' on/in the forehead in Revelation chapter 13 is the exact same type of 'mark' as the 'mark' of God...not a brand, etching or tattoo...it is what is on/in your mind...behind the forehead. Who you have decided in your mind, and heart, to love and obey.

peace and love...God Bless

bang on.....

it centers around keeping the commandments, especially the first one
which is what many that believe shall do in the end times.