Do we want to 'be taken' or 'left behind'?

[zeke37]

I plan on getting in the boat to be taken and not be left behind.


NOT before the apostasy and the man of sin is revealed.

NOT before the GT begins.

Right where I belong, among the Great Multitude that is TAKEN out of the Great Tribulation.

Go figure.

HOW could all those individuals be left behind like all you POST believers think, when the scripture actually says "come out of.."

"Come" an action word, unlike stay which takes no action at all.

Look it up...

Remember, the wise were taken, the foolish are left out and behind.

By and in His Love,
Brother Jerry

Jerry, you are not following the OP or the reasoning behind the question that the OP asks.

Jesus is using a parable to explain that
we do not want to be taken by the flood when it comes...

we want to be left, still working for God

in this parable, that uses Noah and the flood as it's base,
it is the good guys that are left...
the ones that were marrying, making merry etc, were taken in the flood...

It will be like that at the Lord's return
the good guys are still grinding at the mill and working in the field
the bad guys are taken in the flood that is coming.

don't take this outside the chapter...
because the OP asked a specific question about a specific part of scripture.

37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

so, according to the above, do you wanna be taken or not?

 

[B1inHim]

Jerry, you are not following the OP or the reasoning behind the question that the OP asks.

Jesus is using a parable to explain that
we do not want to be taken by the flood when it comes...

we want to be left, still working for God

in this parable, that uses Noah and the flood as it's base,
it is the good guys that are left...
the ones that were marrying, making merry etc, were taken in the flood...

It will be like that at the Lord's return
the good guys are still grinding at the mill and working in the field
the bad guys are taken in the flood that is coming.

don't take this outside the chapter...
because the OP asked a specific question about a specific part of scripture.

37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

so, according to the above, do you wanna be taken or not?

I plan on being in the boat and get taken up when the flood comes and the lost get left behind.

I plan on being taken when the Bridegroom comes and not be left outside and behind.

I plan on coming out of the Great Tribulation.

Not before it begins and not after it is over.

Y'all cannot just take one verse and not include the others for referencing.

BUT, IF I was to ONLY know this ONE verse and not know that there is more to the understanding, I would have to choose leaving in the boat.

One will be taken, one will be left behind.

50% of all those who believe will be taken to the Marriage Supper.

50% will be left out/behind.

Most likely they will be out buying "Christian self help" books while the others leave to be with Lord Jesus.

Love,
Brother Jerry

 

[yedida]

I plan on getting in the boat to be taken and not be left behind.

NOT before the apostasy and the man of sin is revealed.

NOT before the GT begins.

Right where I belong, among the Great Multitude that is TAKEN out of the Great Tribulation.

Go figure.

HOW could all those individuals be left behind like all you POST believers think, when the scripture actually says "come out of.."

"Come" an action word, unlike stay which takes no action at all.

Look it up...

Remember, the wise were taken, the foolish are left out and behind.

By and in His Love,
Brother Jerry

I'm not speaking of post-trib. I believe that Hashem's own will be "taken" out of the way of His wrath just before it begins. The wrath of God is seen with the last trumpet, the seventh seal. As in the days of old, especially in the wilderness, when the children of Israel heard the trumpet sounding they would gather together, so shall they be gathered at the last trumpet sounding.

 

[cf4rc]

Peace to you all...

I have been patiently waiting for my question; Do we want to 'be taken' or 'left behind'? to go in the direction of these most recent posts.

When I said; "I believe...we should want to be 'left behind' and that pre-tribulation rapture is a very dangerous and possibly even deadly doctrine" it was from the sense of not wanting to 'be taken' by he who comes first but rather 'left behind' to be one of those 'who are alive and remain' on earth and 'change to assemble with the multitudes' when Christ returns.
If we don't die in the flesh first.

Here are a few important things to consider...

Chilled Water has said back on page 1, "I do not believe in 'rapture' in general."
I am pleased to hear that but maybe in the future the 'in general' will be left out because there is undoubtedly a very good reason to see that there is no 'rapture' at all...at any time...pre-trib, mid-trib or post-trib!
Remember, the word 'rapture' is not to be found anywhere in "the scriptures" or in "our bibles" but is only 'inferred', deduced by a persons reasoning, to be the truth supported only by sources other than the bible.
And...
That sounds to me like the 'traditions of man' rather than "What God Said" in His Word. As mentioned before, God tells us what we must believe, it is not for us to tell Him what we choose to believe.
Bible2 has said back on page 1, "Neither".
This 'one word' is exactly right because we will do neither, not either one,
in respect to how we normally believe 'taken' and 'left' to be understood.
Zeke37 just said "we want to be left, still working for God" and "the bad guys are taken in the flood that is coming."
I agree but maybe the first quote would be better said without the 'left' being included. The second quote is exactly right if he means the 'flood' being the 'torrent of lies' told by the Antichrist.
Now, try replacing the 'taken in' with 'deceived by'. Then we are not implying 'taken' or 'left' and we get away from the 'being raptured' or 'not being raptured' beliefs that cause the 'confusion' we are witnessing. God is not a God of confusion!
B1inHim just said: "I plan on getting in the boat to be taken and not be left behind."
You should not relate "getting in the boat to be taken" and "not be left behind" to Noah and his family and the others who did not prepare for the flood of Genesis 7:10 (H3999; flood, deluge; Noah's flood that submerged the entire planet earth under water for about a year) and Matthew 24:38 and 2 Peter 2:5 (G2627; inundation, deluge; of Noah's deluge) if you then suppose they should also relate to the symbolic flood of Revelation 12:15 (G4215; a stream, a river, a torrent or G4216; carried away by a stream). This is a mistake in understanding the difference between the two floods.
A deluge and a stream or torrent obviously do not mean the same thing. These are two different types of floods! One is a 'deluge of water' and the other is a symbolic 'constant stream or torrent' of lies that come from the mouth of the Antichrist in these end times to carry our souls away to destruction.
Yedida just said "I'm not speaking of post-trib."
Yedida, I believe, does not agree with any 'rapture doctrine' unless you apply it to the coming of the Lord and our assembling with Him and decide to call that a type of 'rapture'. Hope I'm not far off here my dear friend!!
B1inHim also said:
"NOT before the apostasy and the man of sin is revealed."
This could not be said better!
"NOT before the GT begins."
Again...could not be put in a better way!
"Right where I belong, among the Great Multitude that is TAKEN out of the Great Tribulation."
Maybe it would be better said by leaving out 'TAKEN' because the scripture says 'come out' as stated below...in the KJV it says 'came out' but it is still defined in the present tense...
And, there is a definite difference between the two phrases, 'taken out' and 'come out'. We can not freely switch one for the other without changing what has been said.
"HOW could all those individuals be left behind like all you POST believers think, when the scripture actually says "come out of.."
""Come" an action word, unlike stay which takes no action at all."
They can't be and won't be!

Food for thought...I will work more on this later...I'm a tired puppy...

peace and love...God Bless

 

[Almighty's humble servant]

I would "CHOOSE" be stay behind to act as shepherd to the lost. If given the opportunity to choose.

But I don't think we have say in the matter.

When the trib begins, the strong delusion will be released, that man can become a god/christ himself. Through the coming cataclysms, many will beg for such a teacher, and herald him as the one.

I would like to stay right here, off the grid, calling those who might be deceived by another christ.

 

[zeke37]

I plan on being in the boat and get taken up when the flood comes and the lost get left behind.

but that is not what the OP asked nor what the parable describes.

a really big wave.... a tidal wave.... is coming....
do you wanna be taken by it, or not?

because the "they" of Noah's day, who were eating/marrying etc,
were taken.

I plan on being taken when the Bridegroom comes and not be left outside and behind.

i plan on not leaving to go search for oil, and staying put, for the wedding and the Bridegrooms arrival...
I sure would not wanna be gone for that!

I plan on coming out of the Great Tribulation.

i plan on being faithful through out it's entirety,
and coming out of that trial clean and robed...
because in our patience possess us our souls

i plan on not being tempted by Satan,
when he comes here in his own supernatural angelic body
and pretends to be a rapturing Jesus...

the point is that you guys/gals don't think you will be here for the falling away from faith which Satan causes.
and there is no easier way to be seduced, then by thinking you won't even be here for the test.

Not before it begins and not after it is over.

after it is all over...
because Satan's wrath comes before God's wrath
and we all go through Satan's wrath.

Y'all cannot just take one verse and not include the others for referencing.

WOW, i can't believe i am reading a pre tribber accuse a post tribber of that...
lol

that is hilarious

BUT, IF I was to ONLY know this ONE verse and not know that there is more to the understanding, I would have to choose leaving in the boat.

then you cannot comprehend simple scripture

One will be taken, one will be left behind.

taken in the flood, or eft working for the Lord

50% of all those who believe will be taken to the Marriage Supper.

50% will be left out/behind.

1/2 will stay for the wedding,
and 1/2 will leave for oil at the last moment and miss the wedding

Most likely they will be out buying "Christian self help" books while the others leave to be with Lord Jesus.

Love,
Brother Jerry

like all the rapture books...
(you won't be here but better buy my book so you can find out what you won't be here for.....lol)

or still waiting for their pre trib rapture,
even though the trib will have been over!

Right up until the end, until they actually see their True Messiah Coming down,
those deceived pre tribbers and other Christians will not even know that they were in the trib

that is part of the deception

 

[cf4rc]

I would "CHOOSE" be stay behind to act as shepherd to the lost. If given the opportunity to choose.

But I don't think we have say in the matter.

When the trib begins, the strong delusion will be released, that man can become a god/christ himself. Through the coming cataclysms, many will beg for such a teacher, and herald him as the one.

I would like to stay right here, off the grid, calling those who might be deceived by another christ.

to that...humble servant...
Peace to you...

Me too...that 'choice' to "stay behind", per se, "to act as shepherd to the lost" is made simple as it is made for us when we actually 'CHOOSE', of our own free will, to come to Christ as 'the' way, 'the' truth and 'the' life and do as He commanded us in Matthew 28:18-20.

WOW...so true...the teaching that man is a god himself is especially prevalent in what I guess can be called the 'New Age Movement' which is or at least is becoming so popular today. Many in the 'Movement' profess the need to be as Christ teaches but deny His being the Son of God and the 'only way' to salvation as shown in the bible. This is definately, in my opinion, the perfect example of 'strong delusion'.

I believe the "strong delusion" has already been released...all we need to do is look at the popularity of that 'Movement' and what is happening around us now in America and around the world to possibly see that the first 42 months of tribulation has begun...

You have brought to our attention my real concern for pre-trib believers, per se; that
"Through the coming cataclysms, many will beg for such a teacher, and herald him as the one."
I like it...
And, I totally agree if this speaks of heralding "the one" that comes on a false peace and change platform. That seems to be the answer to solving the worlds many problems for 3 1/2 years before the cataclysms of the Great Tribulation even begin.

I do not believe he will have literally claimed to be Christ Himself as many expected when he has come at the beginning of tribulation. Too many Christians such as ourselves would recognize him for who he is if he did such a silly thing! And, this would take away any possibility for his lies to be affective toward deceiving us and thereby leading us to destruction.

I believe this is happening right now and can be clearly heard if we 'open our ears to hear' and seen if we 'open our eyes to see' and understood if we 'open our hearts to understand'. We must be "watchmen" for the 'signs of the times' which reveal where we now are in biblical prophecy.

Once again, I stress to all, that even Christians who 'take his mark' will perish in the lake of fire as will all others who do the same. Please read, very carefully, what Revelation 14:9-11 tells us.

Isn't it wonderful that what you, Almighty's humble servant, would "like to do" will 'be done' and is 'being done' right now by yourself, myself and others on CF and outside in the real world?

Much of what has been spoken here is obviously my personal opinion and I pray that it will also become the personal opinion of others as we progress in our discussions and study...knowing this will be very difficult at best...
but, is possible if I trust in God to use me, and others like me, to help reveal His truth on this subject.

peace and love to all...God Bless...

 

[zeke37]

Peace to you all...
Zeke37 just said "we want to be left, still working for God" and "the bad guys are taken in the flood that is coming."
I agree but maybe the first quote would be better said without the 'left' being included.

i think it is fine the way it is...since that is the very point of the thread.

who is left here working for God and who is taken in the flood.

The second quote is exactly right if he means the 'flood' being the 'torrent of lies' told by the Antichrist.

correct...comes from the dragon's mouth

Now, try replacing the 'taken in' with 'deceived by'.

oh i understand the symbolism just fine...deception is what it is all about...

the flood is not a flood of water as you know.

I was trying to stay within the specific teaching and set of scripture

Then we are not implying 'taken' or 'left' and we get away from the 'being raptured' or 'not being raptured' beliefs that cause the 'confusion' we are witnessing. God is not a God of confusion!

taken or left is the reason for the thread...

rapturists believe that being taken is the point of the parable,
when I believe that it is quite clear that being left is the point...

huge difference and one worth explaining.
I don't see how anyone could see differently, when sticking with just this scripture set/parable

37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

 

[yedida]

cf4rc,
You got me right. We will be left to continue working the fields until we are gathered together away from/caught away from/snatched out of the wrath of God to come. Will it be up in the air/clouds or somewhere here on earth? I don't really know. There seems to be scripture for either so I'll leave it up to Messiah. Wherever He chooses to spread His protective wings over us during this most awful time I'm sure will be the perfect choice.
See y'all there guys!!

 

[interpreter]

Jerry, you are not following the OP or the reasoning behind the question that the OP asks.

Jesus is using a parable to explain that
we do not want to be taken by the flood when it comes...

we want to be left, still working for God

in this parable, that uses Noah and the flood as it's base,
it is the good guys that are left...
the ones that were marrying, making merry etc, were taken in the flood...

It will be like that at the Lord's return
the good guys are still grinding at the mill and working in the field
the bad guys are taken in the flood that is coming.

don't take this outside the chapter...
because the OP asked a specific question about a specific part of scripture.

37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

so, according to the above, do you wanna be taken or not?

Well said, Zeke.

 

[cf4rc]

Peace to all...

I now humbly challenge anyone to show us from the Word of God that a 'rapture' of any kind will happen and then be willing to force themselves to at least truly give some credence to the overwhelming evidence provided that will dispute this belief.

I will show good evidence through the Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic lexicons of those original languages so we who speak English only may come to understand that every single passage used to support the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine or any other 'rapture doctrine' is misunderstood and or misused.

I made it a point to mention in a recent post that I had been patiently waiting for the direction of this thread to go where it could be used to show that there should be neither a "taken" or "left behind" mentality. That making reference to those phrases is not necessary at all because there will be no 'rapture' and that we should try to stop using them once we see that believing in any 'rapture' only causes confusion and takes us away from true understanding.

This thread seems to be going nowhere productive because so many of us just want to argue over who is right or wrong and supposedly prove it through the use of only our English translated bibles and our English thinking minds...

This will be shown to often only bring ignorance, rather than enlightenment, from what God has said in His Word.

Come on...those of us who are doing this should use common sense every once in a while... get past what we think or prefer to be true and seek the truth.

Actually find a way which will help us come to a better understanding of the truth...such as learning what the scriptures say as explained in the languages as written... which is not always perfect but is a much better way to seek the truth if we use the definition that adheres to the subject and object rather than just depending on what we may think is an adequate sourse to find that truth.

Good Lord...at least try to discern this truth...that I have mentioned before...
Jesus nor the prophets ever wrote or spoke a single word in English!
...what should that mean to us?...Nothing...No...it means something...in fact...we must always keep this in mind when WE try to 'tell everyone else' what has been said by Jesus and the prophets so we don't 'tell them' from a perspective lacking true understanding!

The translators made BIG MISTAKES! And, when we open our eyes, if not even then blinded to the truth, we can see that they often interjected what THEY TOGETHER wanted to so as to further THEIR OWN PERSONAL AGENDAS.

I love my bible but I am not still crazy enough after diligent study to accept it as translated to be the inerrant Word of God. It absolutely is not! And, that is mostly why passages used to support 'rapture' have been so misunderstood.

Not meaning to offend, but, if not for using this great tool of the lexicons I would still be the foolish man I was before as some of you are content to continue to be.

All that I witness to will not be changed by the coming of a 'rapture' rather believed to be pre-trib, mid-trib or post-trib.

There is no 'rapture' in the Bible! And, I have NEVER went seeking for a reason to deny these doctrines. I have NO REASON to deny them other than they have been proven to be false doctrine through the study of the closest thing I can find to the inspired Word of God.

peace and love...God Bless...

 

[Truth Files]

"The translators made BIG MISTAKES!"

>Explain this statement first

>The give your proofs [from scripture] against the Lord's intent to immortalize His church before he brings judgment upon an unbelieving world

>And in the process show all of the "mis-translations" in the related scriptures that you will use

 

[zeke37]

rapture, is an englished latin word, used rightly or wrongly for the word seized in the Latin Vulgate....
it has come to mean something completely different in today's usage within the church.
In the KJV, the Greek word for seized is incorrectly translated "caught up" in english (1Thes4)

there is no up in the manuscripts here.(1Thes4)


clouds....see Heb12:1 (mass multitude)...every eye shall see His Coming
air....see 1Cor15's mystery change (breath of life/spiritual body)

The Lord is Coming here...we are not going there. (Zec14, Rev14)

after the entire tribulation is over, after Satan has been allowed his short time (his wrath),
Christ comes with the righteous dead, and raises them here first...
and when He gets here, He shall change those of us who are alive at that time
to be like the returning dead / like the angels,
and seize us/gather us together with those returning dead.

then, after He has gathered all His elect together, He causes His wrath to be poured
on those who went along with the beast and his kingdom

 

[Truth Files]

Sounds like a Murray invention to me .... he likes to do this you know

If something doesn't fit his story .... then just call it a mis-translation

You are easily duped Mr. Z

Murray is certainly no linguistics scholar and he butchers and abuses the study with no conscience

And you fight with all of your might to stand for this false teacher and false prophet

Do you know what the scriptures tell about a false prophet?

And do you know that Murray has made predictions that have failed .... not a good record

What is going on in your brain son?

 

[yedida]

Sounds like a Murray invention to me .... he likes to do this you know

If something doesn't fit his story .... then just call it a mis-translation

You are easily duped Mr. Z

Murray is certainly no linguistics scholar and he butchers and abuses the study with no conscience

And you fight with all of your might to stand for this false teacher and false prophet

Do you know what the scriptures tell about a false prophet?

And do you know that Murray has made predictions that have failed .... not a good record

What is going on in your brain son?

Follow the scriptures that describe the Great Day of the Lord, you'll see there is no pre-trib rapture, the saints are not removed away from hasatan's wrath, they are gathered before the Great Day of the Lord but not "raptured" into heaven.

 

[cf4rc]

i think it is fine the way it is...since that is the very point of the thread.

who is left here working for God and who is taken in the flood.

[/color]correct...comes from the dragon's mouth



oh i understand the symbolism just fine...deception is what it is all about...

the flood is not a flood of water as you know.

I was trying to stay within the specific teaching and set of scripture


taken or left is the reason for the thread...

rapturists believe that being taken is the point of the parable,
when I believe that it is quite clear that being left is the point...

huge difference and one worth explaining.
I don't see how anyone could see differently, when sticking with just this scripture set/parable

37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

Peace to you...

I want you to know that we are in full agreement on what we believe on the question of this thread...and you were absolutely staying in line with the purpose of the thread as presented.

I was using your quotes and that of the others to open the door to a different perspective on the question "Do we want 'to be be taken' or 'left behind?" To come from the idea that neither phrase in the question is actually true.

That there will be no one 'taken' so therefore there will also be no one 'left behind'. That we will all just stay here and do what we do until the return of our Lord with no rapture or references to it necessary.

It has all become such a cliche since the 'Left Behind' series of books and movies that I am becoming a bit bored with it from that perspective...I guess...and I see it might possibly be taking our minds and hearts away from where they should be and into a fantasy world instead of reality.

But, hey, I shouldn't have started this thread then...huh...
you have brought my attention to the question; what good is the thread if we don't discuss what the thread is about? Though I have decided to include this new idea of mine in the discussions but still stay within the main focus of the thread.

Zeke37...I am sorry if what I did seemed arrogant or was offensive in any way. That I quoted you and then attempted to change what you said to something 'better said' was a mistake and I am sorry my brother...please forgive me...

THAT GOES FOR ALL OTHERS THAT I QUOTED ALSO...sorry my friends...

By the way...if it is not too personal a question...what does Zeke37 stand for?

peace and love to you and yours...God Bless

 

[zeke37]

Sounds like a Murray invention to me

big deal, as to what anything sounds like to you......
since when are you any kind of an authority???

try this link
Index-King James Bible with Strongs Dictionary

.... he likes to do this you know

what... teach with understanding, dividing the scriptures properly and going back to the original languages...

wow, what a sin!

If something doesn't fit his story .... then just call it a mis-translation

ohhhh....so I guess you think they all spoke 20th century English back then, right?

You are easily duped Mr. Z

have you ever read the letter to King James, that the translators of the KJV wrote him?
it is in the beginning of the 1611 KJV

and you think I'm duped? HA!

Murray is certainly no linguistics scholar and he butchers and abuses the study with no conscience

Murray is a linguistic scholar, and while no man is perfect, he certainly has a conscience.
just because you do not understand the original languages, don't harp on others that do.

And you fight with all of your might to stand for this false teacher and false prophet

i stand by any teaching that he gives, that i find no fault with...like post trib

you love to put words into peoples mouths...
that's enough on its own for showing the kind of spirit you portray having...

Do you know what the scriptures tell about a false prophet?

Yes, and who ever is leading you into thinking the way you do,
and posting the lies you do, is certainly one,
for the Lord says not to do those things.

And do you know that Murray has made predictions that have failed .... not a good record

not that i know of...and although i have heard others claim that as well over the years,
i have yet to see or hear proof of it...

only baseless accusations, SON!

What is going on in your brain son?

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kai eidon allon aggelon anabanta apo anatolhV hliou econta sfragida qeou zwntoV kai ekraxen fwnh megalh toiV tessarsin aggeloiV oiV edoqh autoiV adikhsai thn ghn kai thn qalassan

legwn mh adikhshte thn ghn mhte thn qalassan mhte ta dendra acriV ou sfragizwmen touV doulouV tou qeou hmwn epi twn metwpwn autwn

 

[zeke37]

my handle stands for Ezekiel 37...one of my favorite chapters...

and no offense taken...

i see where you were coming from now...

 

[Truth Files]

"not that i know of...and although i have heard others claim that as well over the years,
i have yet to see or hear proof of"

>Would you like me to post a document one?

 

[yedida]

"not that i know of...and although i have heard others claim that as well over the years,
i have yet to see or hear proof of"

>Would you like me to post a document one?

Can you please get back on topic? Everyone else has worked hard to stay on topic and you are derailing this thread badly. If you feel it necessary to tell you pov, you should start your own thread. Thank you.