Do Sabbath Keepers KEEP the Sabbath?

[1stcenturylady]

Grace nullifies sin. It pays the price we owe for it. Christ paid our sin debt. That is grace. It's a free gift. It costs us nothing and we can't buy or earn it. We can't repay it and we can't maintain it. We are the beneficiaries. Like a last will and testament. Paid on the estate.

So are you saying that you believe we sin or don't sin because of grace?

 

[1stcenturylady]

Set free from the guardianship (imprisonment) of the law, the yoke of slavery to the law.

Galatians 5:1
It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

Galatians 3:23-25
Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

So if we sin after being freed from the law, what law are we breaking?

 

[Saint Steven]

So are you saying that you believe we sin or don't sin because of grace?

Neither.
We don't sin because of grace, and we don't not sin because of grace.

 

[Saint Steven]

So if we sin after being freed from the law, what law are we breaking?

If there is no law we can't break it. Right?

You are assuming that sin is always the transgression of the law. (a sabbatarian hangover) But the Bible says that sin came before the law. (Rom.5:13) What law was that sin breaking?

 

[1stcenturylady]

Neither.
We don't sin because of grace, and we don't not sin because of grace.

One was right and the other half was wrong.

 

[1stcenturylady]

If there is no law we can't break it. Right?

You are assuming that sin is always the transgression of the law. (a sabbatarian hangover) But the Bible says that sin came before the law. (Rom.5:13) What law was that sin breaking?

Exactly my thoughts, and the opposite of sabbatarians, which I'm not.

 

[Saint Steven]

One was right and the other half was wrong.

Insert your definition of grace into my sentence to prove your point.

Neither.
We don't sin because of (your definition of grace), and we don't not sin because of (your definition of grace).

 

[Saint Steven]

Exactly my thoughts, and the opposite of sabbatarians, which I'm not.

You assumed my statement was conclusive. It wasn't.

When Cain murdered his brother he broke God's law of human conscience.
He knew what he was doing was wrong. But by what standard?

What I posted
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If there is no law we can't break it. Right?

You are assuming that sin is always the transgression of the law. (a sabbatarian hangover) But the Bible says that sin came before the law. (Rom.5:13) What law was that sin breaking?

 

[1stcenturylady]

Insert your definition of grace into my sentence to prove your point.

Neither.
We don't sin because of (your definition of grace), and we don't not sin because of (your definition of grace).

We don't sin because of the power of God given to us, the Spirit of Grace. The second half is bogus.

 

[Saint Steven]

We don't sin because of the power of God given to us, the Spirit of Grace. The second half is bogus.

Your definition of grace is: "the power of God given to us" ???
Let try that in a scripture verse or two about grace as a test of the definition.

But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by the power of God given to us you have been saved. (Eph2:4-5)

For it is by the power of God given to us you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. (Eph2:8-9)

 

[1stcenturylady]

You assumed my statement was conclusive. It wasn't.

When Cain murdered his brother he broke God's law of human conscience.
He knew what he was doing was wrong. But by what standard?

What I posted
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If there is no law we can't break it. Right?

You are assuming that sin is always the transgression of the law. (a sabbatarian hangover) But the Bible says that sin came before the law. (Rom.5:13) What law was that sin breaking?

It was so long ago you probably forgot my stance, but from the beginning there was the eternal law of God, which Lucifer broke before the earth was even formed.

At one time the people of the earth got so rotten that God killed all but eight from the line of Seth.

I start before the earth was formed. Sabbatarians start at Moses, but Galatians 3 tells us that the law was added because of transgressions already existing. Thus sin was before the law.

What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator.

Jesus is the Seed, and is the replacement for the law. It all has to do with SIN. That's why the law came, but only until Christ who took care of sin once and for all, not the law. You talk like the law was bad and Jesus came to free us from the law. NO!!! Jesus freed us from SIN, the reason for the law. It wasn't the law that kept us in bondage; it was sin. Jesus says those who sin are a slave to sin, and He came to free us from sin. John 8:34-36; 1 John 3:5

Look at Daniel 9:24 the prophecy of why Jesus was coming.

To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,

It doesn't say to finish the LAW,
to make an end of the LAW

It couldn't be clearer.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Your definition of grace is: "the power of God given to us" ???
Let try that in a scripture verse or two about grace as a test of the definition.

But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by the power of God given to us you have been saved. (Eph2:4-5)

For it is by the power of God given to us you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. (Eph2:8-9)

Right, it is not our power, but the power of God.

 

[mmksparbud]

What does thy seed mean to you?

Just what it says----all the nations of the earth be blessed; Did you think that God wanted only the Jews to be saved??

 

[1stcenturylady]

Insert your definition of grace into my sentence to prove your point.

Neither.
We don't sin because of (your definition of grace), and we don't not sin because of (your definition of grace).

The seed of the Father is the Spirit of Grace. Now read 1 John 3:9.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Just what it says----all the nations of the earth be blessed; Did you think that God wanted only the Jews to be saved??

So you think Abraham's seed are all the nations of the earth?

 

[mmksparbud]

So you think Abraham's seed are all the nations of the earth?

So you think that God only cared for the Jews??

 

[1stcenturylady]

So you think that God only cared for the Jews??

The subject is seed. Don't you know that Abraham's seed was Jesus?

Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ. Galatians 3:16

However, God's people were the Jews. Some did not accept their Messiah and were cut off making way for Gentiles. Romans 11. Now Gentiles and Jews who accept their Messiah are one new man.

Ephesians 2:
11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— 12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. 18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

 

[Saint Steven]

You talk like the law was bad and Jesus came to free us from the law.

Yes, that is what I am saying. And the Apostles agree with me. (or vice versa)

 

[1stcenturylady]

Yes, that is what I am saying. And the Apostles agree with me. (or vice versa)

Just to be clear, you do NOT believe Jesus came to free us from sin? Only the law?

 

[Saint Steven]

It doesn't say to finish the LAW,
to make an end of the LAW

It should.

Romans 10:4 KJV
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Romans 10:4 NIV
Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.