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Yes Jesus even tells us to love our enemies
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Yes Jesus even tells us to love our enemiesBecause brother I cannot believe that God does not love each and every person. Including those who are not saved.
What you describe would be God willing that we sin, as to ordain something/someone is to appoint, arrange, charge, command, etc. Basically it's will + direction. The moral command to sin would be a contradiction, as he cannot both command (ordain) we sin and command we not sin; else it would be surface level lie or deception as He would be giving us a verbal command that He otherwise commands/ordains we be unable to fulfill.
The verse you use to support this does not actually support it. What does Acts 2:23 say? "This man was handed over to you by God's deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross." Jesus being delivered over into the hands of the Jews was by God's deliberate plan and foreknowledge. Is there a sin in Jesus becoming flesh, or a sin in God placing Jesus under the Earthly authorities of the day in allowing Jesus to be arrested by the Jewish elders and the people, or a sin in allowing Jesus to be tried by the Romans? No! It was God's plan before time that Jesus would die to bring redemption (Rev 13:8), and for that to occur Jesus needed to take human flesh and be delivered into the hands of the Jews. Jesus clarified that even though He could ask His Father to rescue Him and get twelve legions of angels, scripture could only be fulfilled if He went with the party arresting Him (Matt 26:47-56.)
Now let's look at the other half of Acts 2:23: "and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross." Did God ordain the individual wickedness of each heart? Did God put Christ to death? No - the Jews, with the help of the Romans, crucified Christ. Nothing in the verse states that God commanded or ordained actual sin vs. delivering Christ over into their power in the knowledge that those wicked people would crucify Christ and fulfill scripture.
Because we all have to choose and yield to God and as believers we will sometime not do thisBoth those who are saved and those who are not saved will still sin. Why would the people God has chosen still stumble in sin?
Man the way you wrest scriptures with your endless private interpretstions is scary : I'd be afraid to continually explain away God's word the way you do : It does not matter what verse you are given you explain them all away in your own reasonings : Like Christ said : You make the word of God of none effect by your traditions : God's word cannot change you because you just explain it away whatever it says : Your mind is made up : don't confuse you with the facts !God knows how men are saved and who, there is no list predetermined. The hairs of you head are in the present tense and so is you standing before God. What God knew was that to be saved you must be the righteousness of God in Christ.
Man the way you wrest scriptures with your endless private interpretstions is scary : I'd be afraid to continually explain away God's word the way you do : It does not matter what verse you are given you explain them all away in your own reasonings : Like Christ said : You make the word of God of none effect by your traditions : God's word cannot change you because you just explain it away whatever it says : Your mind is made up : don't confuse you with the facts !
Man the way you wrest scriptures with your endless private interpretstions is scary : I'd be afraid to continually explain away God's word the way you do : It does not matter what verse you are given you explain them all away in your own reasonings : Like Christ said : You make the word of God of none effect by your traditions : God's word cannot change you because you just explain it away whatever it says : Your mind is made up : don't confuse you with the facts !
Rom 8 :The creature was made subject to vanity : part of our deliberate educational process , all pre ordained by God : Rom 8(28) .Because we all have to choose and yield to God and as believers we will sometime not do this
Isaiah 66 - 3. He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. 4. I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.”
Everything just bounces right off you : amazing : The problem with that attitude is that you can never move foreward if you just reject everything !I’m praying for you brother that God will give you guidance and understanding.
You must answer sections like this that totally correct your understandingThe prisoners of Christ .
Everything just bounces right off you : amazing : The problem with that attitude is that you can never move foreward if you just reject everything !
I try .John, you sound really excited about the doctrines of grace. Channel that into speaking grace to your hearers
No clue what your talking about .If your idea is true it cannot contradict any of the scriptures. Do we agree on that?
You must consider John that believers in Christ will have a witness against some things you say here and so they cannot agree with youEverything just bounces right off you : amazing : The problem with that attitude is that you can never move foreward if you just reject everything !
Yes as clear as can beYes and...
“For they don’t understand God’s way of making people right with himself. Refusing to accept God’s way, they cling to their own way of getting right with God by trying to keep the law.”
Romans 10:3
Ok
1. Does God make men deny himself?
2. Does God make men do iniquity or sin? Is Christ the minister of sin?
3. Does God make men lie?
4. Does Go make men blaspheme the Holy Ghost? God forbid such a thought don’t answer this one I am just pointing out the horror of such a doctrine and the absolute seriousness of this topic and the great danger of what John is saying
I already have a long answer to that verse in another forum showing that it does not mean what you implyRom 8 :The creature was made subject to vanity : part of our deliberate educational process , all pre ordained by God : Rom 8(28) .
No clue what your talking about .
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