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Simple question
Not for you maybe lol.Hah! It's actually not a simple question.
Amen!Does God want believers to sin in a moral sense? No. God's commands that we not sin.
Let's look at the word first,Does God sovereignly ordain our sin
He sure does use all things for His own purposes.and use it for his good purposes? Yes.
This is exactly what God did with the worst sin ever committed - the betrayal, arrest, and murder of the Son of God. The murder of Jesus was free actions of men which God did not approve of, but he did sovereignly decree in order to accomplish our salvation.
Me either.It's an interesting issue. While I do not believe that God makes us sin,
Must be so!we sin of our own 'free will'
Can it be free but not truly free??(not true free will, mind you)
I give my babies free access of the play room. I know that they'll make a mess, butbut that God already knew everything we did, do, and would do. My personal opinion.
I think it's a great question.No, God could never do anything that is contrary to his righteous, holy and sinless nature:
However, if my falsehood accentuates God’s truthfulness, to the increase of His glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner? Why not say, as some slanderously claim that we say, “- Let us do evil that good may result?” Their condemnation is deserved! What then? Are we any better? Not at all. For we have already made the charge that Jews and Greeks alike are all under sin. (Rom. 3:7-9)God reveals sin, he does not encourage and certainly doesn't promote it. The Law says, 'Thou shalt not covet', according to Paul this brought out all kinds of covetous desire. Paul didn't say this was God's fault, that there was anything wrong with the Law, he said there was sin in his heart that responded to the Law.
The question is absurd, the rhetorical and I suspect, fallacious question, is circular in it's orientation.
Grace and peace,
Mark
Who, what?So twisted...
He sure does use all things for His own purposes.
But He didn't and doesn't ordain sin.
He can't both forbid it and also ordain it.
Those are opposites.
God knew they would do it, but He didn't order it done.
Those are two different things.
Calvinists don't believe in free will. They believe that God created some destined for hell and some destined for heaven. So, yes, ultimately.
But they're wrong according to the Bible.
Of course he doesn't but that won't stop him from, as a act of judgment, turning you over to it.I think it's a great question.
And i agree that God does not will sin.
Me either.
it would be goofy for Him to tell us not to and then make us do it. lol
Must be so!
Can it be free but not truly free??
Whatchutalkinabout?
I give my babies free access of the play room. I know that they'll make a mess, but
i let them use it anyhow. Do I love the mess? No, but it's free access nonetheless.
God is in the business of exposing sin, he never ordained anything that was not the righteousness of God in Christ.Hah! It's actually not a simple question.
Does God want believers to sin in a moral sense? No. God's commands that we not sin.
Does God sovereignly ordain our sin and use it for his good purposes? Yes. This is exactly what God did with the worst sin ever committed - the betrayal, arrest, and murder of the Son of God. The murder of Jesus was free actions of men which God did not approve of, but he did sovereignly decree in order to accomplish our salvation.
Who, what?
But what you claim is that a man cannot freely choose to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and accept the grace of God without being quickened from his "totally depraved" state. Calvinists believe that by the "Irresistible Grace" of God, a man is given life so as to have faith, thereby granting unconditional election, whether the individual would have chosen said salvation or not. You also do not believe that Christ died for the entire world, and that a saint must endure to the end to be saved; while "Perseverance of the Saints" states that all saints will endure to the end, it is dramatically different from the doctrine of "Once saved, Always saved."Not quite.
Calvinists believe freewill is in bondage to the sinful nature and that God is sovereign over our will.
We believe God intervenes in the lives of the elect and passes over the reprobate to leave them the punishment they rightly deserve.
God is in the business of exposing sin, he never ordained anything that was not the righteousness of God in Christ.