Dinosaurs on the Ark?

[EpiscipalMe]

I didn't say there was unanimity. I said the global flood is the traditional view in Judaism and Christianity. Then came the Enlightenment.

The Flood is a more supernatural event in Rabbinic commentary compared to Christianity. Suspension of many natural laws. God can do anything, right?

I know you did not say it was universal - there are plenty of Jewish websites that argue for a literal interpretation.

I am just pointing out that Jews are having these same discussions.

 

[-57]

I suggested you did not understand evolution since you created a false dichotomy between microevolution and macroevolution. They are the same processes just over different time scales.

Micro-evolution is simply the re-arrangement of already established genetic material.

Macro-evolutionism is the increase of information in the DNA pool allowing for the so-called evolution of new systems, organs, appendages etc.

Macro-Evolutionism has NEVER been shown to work.

 

[-57]

I do not believe that Adam was a literal historical figure. I believe the entire creation story is allegory to tell us that God created mankind in his image. I believe that the story of the Fall is allegory to teach us that we, as a species, have turned from God and thus into sin, requiring His saving grace. I believe the flood story is allegory to teach us the consequences of sin and turning from God.

Then using your faith in evolutionism...when mixed with the Bible...show us how mankind fell and where our original sin came from.

 

[Speedwell]

I am happy to debate creationism vs evolution, literalism vs allegory. However, I would thank you not to question the depth of my faith. I do not question yours.

The way this forum is moderated, he gets to do that but you don't.

 

[-57]

I know you did not say it was universal - there are plenty of Jewish websites that argue for a literal interpretation.

Do those same websites argue that Isaiah 53 isn't about Jesus?

 

[EpiscipalMe]

Micro-evolution is simply the re-arrangement of already established genetic material.

Macro-evolutionism is the increase of information in the DNA pool allowing for the so-called evolution of new systems, organs, appendages etc.

Macro-Evolutionism has NEVER been shown to work.

Micro-evolution is genetic alterations that lead to differences within species. Macro-evolution is when these differences become significant enough to lead to new species.

"Microevolution happens on a small scale (within a single population), while macroevolution happens on a scale that transcends the boundaries of a single species. Despite their differences, evolution at both of these levels relies on the same, established mechanisms of evolutionary change:"
Evolution at different scales: micro to macro

Like I said, you do not seem to understand evolutionary theory or how DNA works.

 

[EpiscipalMe]

Do those same websites argue that Isaiah 53 isn't about Jesus?

I do not know. Didn't read them all. Why don't you check them out and report back.

 

[EpiscipalMe]

Then using your faith in evolutionism...when mixed with the Bible...show us how mankind fell and where our original sin came from.

I do not have an answer as to when. I do not think there needs to be a single time point when it happened. However, look at the world around us and it is clear that mankind has turned away from God and toward sin. This is the important lesson. That, and the teachings that are necessary for our salvation.

 

[SkyWriting]

Well, you know...when you let the bible explainthings rather than your make-believe science.....we can understand, as you put it...."Paradise is not the same world we live in"...or "Garden Paradise was not the earth we live in".....whe the bible tells us the flood destroyed that world with a flood. Believe your bible.

So how it it you are saying the mountains were covered by 15 feet
of water when that world was destroyed?

You keep bringing science back into the discussion.
I'm telling you the flood story is describing man and you
keep insisting it's about geology and weather.

 

[-57]

Micro-evolution is genetic alterations that lead to differences within species. Macro-evolution is when these differences become significant enough to lead to new species.

"Microevolution happens on a small scale (within a single population), while macroevolution happens on a scale that transcends the boundaries of a single species. Despite their differences, evolution at both of these levels relies on the same, established mechanisms of evolutionary change:"
Evolution at different scales: micro to macro

Like I said, you do not seem to understand evolutionary theory or how DNA works.

Well, if you want to believe that fine. You've already been instructed with the truth.

 

[SkyWriting]

Orthodox Judaism accepts the narrative as factually true in all its details. So a reader can understand Hebrew quite well and believe in a global flood.

The writer and readers didn't believe in a global world.
So how could this be so?

 

[-57]

I do not have an answer as to when. I do not think there needs to be a single time point when it happened. However, look at the world around us and it is clear that mankind has turned away from God and toward sin. This is the important lesson. That, and the teachings that are necessary for our salvation.

I understand it's clear mankind sins.....BUT, why? Why does man sin?

Your problem with mixing bible with evolutionism is that it makes a lot of the Bible false.
Why can't you see that? Does your faith in evolutionism have that much of a grip on you?

If evolutionism is true then sin and death could not have entered into the world through one man.

 

[Speedwell]

If evolutionism is true then sin and death could not have entered into the world through one man.

Fortunately, the real theory of evolution does not pose such a barrier. Only your straw man "evolutionism" does so.

 

[EpiscipalMe]

I understand it's clear mankind sins.....BUT, why? Why does man sin?

Your problem with mixing bible with evolutionism is that it makes a lot of the Bible false.
Why can't you see that? Does your faith in evolutionism have that much of a grip on you?

If evolutionism is true then sin and death could not have entered into the world through one man.

You misunderstand completely.

I have tried to explain, but you continue to misinterpret.

 

[-57]

You misunderstand completely.

I have tried to explain, but you continue to misinterpret.

Why will you not answer the question? Why do we have a sin nature?

 

[SkyWriting]

keep trying if you want...but you'll need to do much, much better.

All important Christian tenets are covered by multiple writers
in different books spread over time.

Your stand does not qualify.

 

[EpiscipalMe]

Well, if you want to believe that fine. You've already been instructed with the truth.

If by "truth" you mean creationism vs evolution, then we have to agree to disagree.

If my the definitions of micro- and macro-evolution, you are wrong as per the link I provided. If you think you are right, I invite you to provide evidence.

 

[Eryk]

The writer and readers didn't believe in a global world.

The first sentence of Genesis.

 

[EpiscipalMe]

Why will you not answer the question? Why do we have a sin nature?

Because it is who we are? Does there need to be a reason.

And I did answer - I said that I do not know. And, I am comfortable with that answer.

 

[-57]

Fortunately, the real theory of evolution does not pose such a barrier. Only your straw man "evolutionism" does so.

Evolutionism destroys theology. It destroys the reason why the Bible sys we need Jesus. It is a false doctrine.