Dinosaurs on the Ark?

[AV1611VET]

Which passage is that?

Well ... that's not covered by Scripture.

For that, I just assume they were.

 

[SkyWriting]

You're reply makes no sense....let me ask the question again.....the Bible tells us the tall mountains were covered with water....HOW, can this happen in a local flood especially when we understand water seeks its own level?

Geography is not the intention of the story. Your insistence that the dirt needed cleaning
is not biblical. Caving in to your dirt anger, before the flood, the tallest mountain may have been 3 feet. Wasn't the entire (preflood) earth destroyed?
SO you are arguing that the entire world was not destroyed, but that your current world was completely flooded? If so, likely that would change the pre-flood geography.

Or is the story about man and his entire world?

 

[-57]

Just more gymnastics that literalists have to go through to make an allegorical story look literal.

If that's the best reply you have...I'll take it.
Next question please.

 

[SkyWriting]

Well ... that's not covered by Scripture.

For that, I just assume they were.

Becasue there is that bird that gets sent out to find plants.

 

[EpiscipalMe]

Don't tell me you actually believe in evolutionism? Adam and Eve were not real???

The difference here is micro-evolution verses macro-evolutionism. Do you understand the difference or do you need an explanation?

I do believe in evolution. And, Genesis is allegory. I would have thought this would be obvious from my posts.

Also, I do understand evolutionary theory, how DNA works, etc. what I find increasingly on this site, though, is that literalists do not understand these things.

 

[Lily of Valleys]

Yup, God is smart, smarter than any of us. However, as beings created in the image of God, we are pretty smart too. Smart enough to interpret the Bible and separate allegory from literalism, but still able to grasp the truth of the teachings.

It seems like you think you are smarter than apostle Peter who had been following Jesus during His ministry on earth. Unfortunately, God chose the foolish, not those who think they are "smart":

Consider your own calling, brothers. Not many of you were wise by human standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. Rather, God chose the foolish of the world to shame the wise, and God chose the weak of the world to shame the strong, and God chose the lowly and despised of the world, those who count for nothing, to reduce to nothing those who are something, so that no human being might boast before God. (1 Corinthians 1:26-29)

 

[-57]

Geography is not the intention of the story. Your insistence that the dirt needed cleaning
is not biblical. Before the flood, the tallest mountain may have been 10 feet.

I understand, geography is not the issue.
You fail to realize that if the waters covered the mountains with 15 feet of water....the flood would have been more than local.
So far I've given you 2 proofs.
1) the language the Bible uses shows the flood to be world wide.
2) The water level over the mountains tells us the flood wasn't a local flood.

now a third...
3)Genesis says everything under the heavens were flooded

Why do you fight what the Bible clearly says?

 

[-57]

I do believe in evolution. And, Genesis is allegory. I would have thought this would be obvious from my posts.

The if Adam wasn't real and Eve wasn't made from Adams rib....and Adam didn't fall in the garden...Then how do you biblically explain original sin? How do you explain why we have a sin nature?

....will you deny that part of christian theology also?

 

[-57]

Also, I do understand evolutionary theory, how DNA works, etc. what I find increasingly on this site, though, is that literalists do not understand these things.

So, you understand DNA. Did you know DNA has a code within the code?
Considering you understand DNA...would you please explain how it evolved via a process of random chance and natural selection?

 

[SkyWriting]

I understand, geography is not the issue.
You fail to realize that if the waters covered the mountains with 15 feet of water....the flood would have been more than local.
So far I've given you 2 proofs.
1) the language the Bible uses shows the flood to be world wide.
2) The water level over the mountains tells us the flood wasn't a local flood.

now a third...
3)Genesis says everything under the heavens were flooded

Why do you fight what the Bible clearly says?

The pre-flood mountains may have been 3 foot tall.

 

[AV1611VET]

Becasue there is that bird that gets sent out to find plants.

Yes ... that shows me that God re-floraled the earth back to its preflood condition.

Noah stepped off the Ark and on to a tropical paradise.

 

[SkyWriting]

So, you understand DNA. Did you know DNA has a code within the code?
Considering you understand DNA...would you please explain how it evolved via a process of random chance and natural selection?

There is no such thing as random.

 

[SkyWriting]

Yes ... that shows me that God re-floraled the earth back to its preflood condition.

Noah stepped off the Ark and on to a tropical paradise.

Mucky, but with potential.

 

[AV1611VET]

Mucky, but with potential.

Nope.

God cleaned up His own mess.

So effectively in fact, that scientists today can't find a trace.

Let me ask you this:

In your opinion, did God leave a scar and bloody mess behind when He removed one of Adam's ribs to make Eve?

 

[Eryk]

Happy birthday!

Understanding Gods work, should not only be done through scripture. I would ask you, if in a position where you studied Gods work through creation (in this case geology), if you found that evidence for a global flood did not exist, but rather, evidence for calmness existed, what would it mean to you? Did satan change things to fool us?

Some assume that scientists just dont know what they are talking about, but what if hypothetically we did know what we were talking about, and we were correct that the earth shows us calmness and not a chaotic all destructive global flood? You do not have to believe either way, but hypothetically, what if what we said was true?

If it contradicts the Bible, it won't be true.

 

[-57]

The pre-flood mountains may have been 3 foot tall.

Do you really expect me to respond to that? Your argument has already been reduced to absurdness...now you gotta play with mountain height?

 

[-57]

There is no such thing as random.

Are you now re-writing the T.O.E. and telling me mutations don't occur in the DNA in a random fashion?

 

[-57]

Then if Adam wasn't real and Eve wasn't made from Adams rib....and Adam didn't fall in the garden...Then how do you biblically explain original sin? How do you explain why we have a sin nature?

....will you deny that part of christian theology also?

Bumped for EpiscipalMe

 

[EpiscipalMe]

It seems like you think you are smarter than apostle Peter who had been following Jesus during His ministry on earth. Unfortunately, God chose the foolish, not those who think they are "smart":

Consider your own calling, brothers. Not many of you were wise by human standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. Rather, God chose the foolish of the world to shame the wise, and God chose the weak of the world to shame the strong, and God chose the lowly and despised of the world, those who count for nothing, to reduce to nothing those who are something, so that no human being might boast before God. (1 Corinthians 1:26-29)

Nope, I'm not smarter than Paul. However, I do believe that Jesus and the apostles, when referencing the events of Genesis, knew they were referencing allegory and knew they their audiences would understand it as such.

The if Adam wasn't real and Eve wasn't made from Adams rib....and Adam didn't fall in the garden...Then how do you biblically explain original sin? How do you explain why we have a sin nature?

....will you deny that part of christian theology also?

We are sinful beings who have turned from God. The allegorical story tells us so. The details are not the important part - the lesson is.

And, this is how these conversations with literalists always go. You claim it is literal. I point out contradictions. You do gymnastics. I point out more contradictions and throw in some science. You question my faith and salvation. Note that I never once questioned your faith or salvation.

So, you understand DNA. Did you know DNA has a code within the code?
Considering you understand DNA...would you please explain how it evolved via a process of random chance and natural selection?

I believe that God uses evolution to His advantage. And, we do not know how DNA first came about. However, we do understand mutations and this is not the forum to explain it.

 

[KWCrazy]

Also, I do understand evolutionary theory, how DNA works, etc. what I find increasingly on this site, though, is that literalists do not understand these things.

The hubris and the arrogance of you poor deluded people never ceases to amaze me. You think because we don't believe a lie it's because we don't understand the lie? Maybe it's because we know the truth. Maybe it's because we understand that our God is Lord of the impossible, and that He does things contrary to natural law to demonstrate to us tame and time again that He is beyond natural law.

The fact that the "oldest" life form had complex DNA which could not possibly have self assembled should indicate that everything which exists was created. It is you who do not understand, not us. We know your theories and reject your theories because our God in which we have faith told us how He created us. It isn't the truth because science confirms it, it is the truth because God said it. You don't get to pick and choose what you believe. You either believe that the Bible is the world of God or you don't. Everyone knows that Jesus confirmed the accuracy of the Scriptures. Do you think you know something He didn't?

The fact is, you're wrong. Man did not evolve. Every time you say he did you're re-stating a lie. If it's contrary to what Jesus taught it's a lie, and Jesus said if you didn't believe in what Moses wrote you wouldn't believe in Him either. I can promise you that it is a sin to come to a Christian forum and attempt to convince others that the word of God is not true. It is a sin to attempt to lead others astray; to put a stumbling block in your brother's way.

It is the evolutionist who do not understand these things.