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No one has shown they are incompatible. The only error in evolution
is the idea of "random" which does not exist in nature.
They are completely incompatible. The main one being the Bible says there was no death before sin, while evolution states there was millions of years of death before man even came into existence.
My posts are most often a majority of scripture with links to the context. This is in contrast to others content.
Romans 1:20
For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
Psalm 19:1
To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.
Not as a defense for ToE but any verse I know of that speaks of death coming, speaks of it as coming to this "world", not to the Earth. A subtle but distinct difference.
Roman 5:12
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned
Nailed it. Imagine how differently we perceive time when our body didn't die. A body that isn't subject to survival conditions. An intellect that grasps time because it's well informed by a body that senses it. A body unhindered by the law of survival. A body that dies is attuned to an environment that contains threats to life and the laws of survival become the moral authority. All the urges and iinvoluntary movements that we experience because our bodies need to survive are now just like all the other animals. I think the fact that we die has altered our ability to grasp time and trapped us in an infinitely incremental perception that forces a linear experience and excludes any other dimension of time. We can't get exact dates because knowing an exact increment of time isn't necessary knowledge as it pertains to our salvation. But a mathematician friend of mine noticed this in Genesis. If you add up all the weeks from creation week to the week of the first drop of rain of the flood, ( using the years of the deaths and births of the patriarchs) it adds up to the same amount of seconds there are in one day.What happened to those trees? Or was Paradise more of a Spiritual place where man didn't die? Being vegetarian and unable to die would be more like Hell.
Man came from the soil. Soil is decades of organic (death) material.They are completely incompatible. The main one being the Bible says there was no death before sin, while evolution states there was millions of years of death before man even came into existence.
How long did Adam exist in the Garden before Eve came along? Then how long did they both live in the Garden until they disobeyed God and ate the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil? For all we know, that might have played out over a million or two or three etc years, since Adam and Eve lived in Eden which could have been a Safe Space from the goings on in the rest of the Earth, and Time was not a particular reality for them.
Yes, but you overlooked the important part.
sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin
Sin happened then death happened.
Man came from the soil. Soil is decades of organic (death) material.
Spiritual death of course. Part of eating food requires that something dies so you can absorb the nutrients. Then your gut digests the food. And the Garden had a lot of food to digest. And "soil" is the death of years of organic plant and insect life. The "dust" man came from. So there was years of physical death of plants and animals, just in the description of the Garden itself. Of course "death" refers to sin, not physical death.
Reading over this thread I had a thought that I hadn't ever thought before...How long did Adam exist in the Garden before Eve came along? Then how long did they both live in the Garden until they disobeyed God and ate the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil? For all we know, that might have played out over a million or two or three etc years, since Adam and Eve lived in Eden which could have been a Safe Space from the goings on in the rest of the Earth, and Time was not a particular reality for them.
Same creation I think, it's just that futility is hardwired into creation in hope.....it is meant to reveal the dignity of man. Man is meant to lead creation to the next level. ....we hiccupped at the Garden so Creation is still waiting...Again, "sin entered the "world". The way I interpret the scriptures is that when it speaks of this world, it is referencing this creation. Adam's sin will have no bearing on the world/creation to come and by extension, no bearing on any that came before this one. The death that is evidenced in the fossil record from a previous world/creation had no impact on this one either as God reconstructed in Genesis 1 and said it was good.
Christians who have made stupid claims about the earth and it's history based on Genesis are the ones who are likely being "deceived by the devil" because they are making God's word look false. This warning of mixing scripture with science facts, or having it as a fact checker is what the Church fathers such as St Augustine spoke against.
Don't know if the many thousands of ppl who've either found God or returned to God by way of creationism, geocentrism and/or the flat earth just in recent times would agree there.
I don't care. They are free to believe in God however they want but when politicking these beliefs as fact and anyone who doesn't agree are just not "God's people", then it becomes different.
Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking non-sense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn...." - St Augustine
No, biblical chronology cannot be used to date creation, however, scientific methods can.
Believers are passionate about the truths that led them to Christ. So they try to help remove those obstacles for the unbeliever. For me, could never get past Gen 1 until God led me to geocentrism. Once I was comfortable with the science that proves the earth doesn't move, I was ready to open my mind and heart to the Word. And He sure came in and showed me heavenly truths. But as Jesus asks rhetorically 'If I speak of earthly things and ye believe not, how then will ye believe when I speak of heavenly things?'
Well, that's very dangerous teaching imho, which essentially endorses adopting worldly opinions which do not accord with scripture. But God's truths are foolishness to the Greek and and a stumbling block to the Jew. Because the world has chosen darkness, albeit with a veneer cast by the supposed angel of light.
Why would God lead you to lies such as Geocentrism? The Holy Spirit is said to be the Spirit of Wisdom and truth and you are saying he lead you into something false? There is no form of science that states the earth doesn't move.
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