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Featured Dinosaurs existed!

Discussion in 'Creationism' started by SkyWriting, Jan 24, 2020.

  1. SkyWriting

    SkyWriting The Librarian Supporter

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    A Real Creationist knows that God created the Cosmos. They also know that the date of Creation of the Cosmos is very vague. They also know that no two Biblical scholars have ever arrived at the same date for Creation ,because doing so involves scores of assumptions about the timing of events and the ages of a long list of people.

    If God wanted to set a "young" date on Creation, His message to us would not have involved scores of assumptions and required use of an Abacus.

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    "Any attempt to specify a date for the creation in Genesis, or, for that matter, for any epoch in the Bible prior to roughly the reign of King David, based solely on the biblical text, is an exercise in futility."
    Can biblical chronology be used to date creation?
     
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  2. archarios

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    I didn't get my SEM or LHC included with my recent Bible purchase. Who should I write to to get these items and continue searching for the true date of the beginning of the universe?
     
  3. Brightmoon

    Brightmoon Apes and humans are all in family Hominidae.

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    Anyone who believes that any deity created the universe is a creationist . In America the term mostly refers to YEC creationists, especially the ones who are trying to get their unverified religious beliefs taught in American public schools as if they were science.

    of course dinosaurs existed . One lineage still exists - birds
     
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  4. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    .......
     
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  5. SavedByGrace3

    SavedByGrace3 Whoever calls on the name of Jesus will be saved Supporter

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    I do not believe it can. The actual creation occurred before verse 2 of Genesis 1. It is a completely unknown period of time between verse 1 and verse 2. Could have been billions of years. Also Moses refers to the days of the re-creation as "generations" in Gen 2. The length of those days (generations) could have been millions of years.
     
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  6. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    The people of Yahweh, all Israel, all the prophets , all the appointed kings and all the men of Yahweh from Creation to the time of Jesus
    never , ever, ever, ever, even had one thought
    that Yahweh
    Himself
    Would
    Sacrifice His Own Begotten Son .... .... for them... ... ...

    Yet that was Yahweh's and Yahushua's Plan since before anything was Created.

    Yahweh Revealed /Reveals Everything Concerning Salvation in this life and in the life to come
    to little children. They have peace, joy and righteousness from Him, and are contented in Him, safely guarded with a strong guard/bulwark/as written.

    No one can change this.

    He Reveals as He Pleases, to whom He Pleases.
     
  7. Halbhh

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    If the real date for the beginning of the Universe was given, for example: suppose it was written in somewhere like -- "...and then after 9 thousands of thousands of thousands of years, then God looked upon the waterworld Earth..." [nothing even slightly like this is anywhere in the Bible, nor any other way of dating the Universe or Earth, but only the genealogy from after Adam and Eve left the garden and entered into normal, mortal, ordinary time, where they would age] -- this would eventually be something science, once finally advancing enough, could eventually answer for us to compare....

    Think on that a moment.

    If the scripture did give an age, and then science one day confirmed it....

    Then something directly against God's will would happen.

    God explicitly wants us, we learn from the words of Christ, to believe in Him Whom God has sent.

    Faith -- trust in God.

    But faith is not merely confirming evidence, so that any distrusting person could just check and verify.

    Not faith. That's only observation/proof.

    With easy proof, then even the most distrusting person that is arrogant and contemptuous towards God could nevertheless just "turn and repent and be saved".

    Christ directly, clearly says (in the gospels) that outcome is not the goal.

    Instead, we are to come to Him in faith, belief without proof, before there is any possible confirmations about God and Christ.

    So, an age for the Earth in the Bible would widely contradict the Bible, and prevent the real goal of life here: to learn to love and to have trust in God.
     
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  8. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Some ways this is correct, yes (I think or hope).

    When I/ we (others)/ believe the Bible, and the age of the earth from the Bible only, from what Yahweh Reveals,
    this in no way known to me contradicts any of Yahweh's Word, Plan or Purpose in Salvation in Christ Jesus.

    All of His Perfect Word is in Total Harmony, with no contradictions from Him. (men supply plenty of and traditional contradictions, but that's another story somewhere) ...
     
  9. Halbhh

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    Ok, sure, it's logically fitting that if the Earth appears 4.5 bn years old but is in reality only 10,000 yrs old for example, that would indeed fit the conditions of not being easily provable with science, and would allow also, that same requirement I pointed at above: no easy, obvious proof that anyone could just examine and use, no matter their attitude.

    But, the dating of the Earth to those young ages depends on adding assumptions on top of scripture that aren't in scripture. Both the assumption of little/no time in verse 1 before the moment in verse 2, and also the assumption that the Tree of Life didn't really change time inside the Garden or had no effect, or such, and that somehow Adam aged inside the Garden before he ate the forbidden fruit (so that the Garden time was included in his overall lifespan in mere mortal years) -- which is nowhere suggested by anything in the scripture. (also it the YEC assumption seems to require removing or obviating verse 2:17, and think Adam somehow then didn't have Life in the Garden before he ate that 2:17 fruit he was warned would lead to mortality)

    So, if you insist on this extraneous added doctrine, we will have to agree to disagree on it. God bless though!, and have a good day!
     
  10. SavedByGrace3

    SavedByGrace3 Whoever calls on the name of Jesus will be saved Supporter

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    Ok... but I do not see what that has to do with my post.
     
  11. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    oops, no. I think this is different from what men / mankind/ the world has done.

    They have assumed a gap, assumed some long improbable age, because of being deceived in the flesh, and/or in spirit, and because of not trusting in the Father's Integrity nor trusting in the Father's Word nor trusting in the Father's Perfect Wisdom, nor trusting in the Father's Perfect Knowledge, ever. (or started trusting Him, then caved in to pressure from peers or other men, whoever) ....
     
  12. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    See previous post just now,
    and what God's Word says in several or many places, without change,
    about all of mankind's so-called wisdom and knowledge and so forth ....
    about everything of or born of the flesh (without profit).....


    Yahweh's Word is Truth, Pure and Holy, Totally different from mankind's thoughts and ways , and high yes high above all the ways men think....
     
  13. SavedByGrace3

    SavedByGrace3 Whoever calls on the name of Jesus will be saved Supporter

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    Ok, but I still do not know what this has to do with my post or even the topic at hand. Thanks for your comments tho.
     
  14. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    From memory now, I think I was showing how the ways of God are not the ways that I saw in your posts. God does things His Own Way.
    Men do not even expect what God does, and can barely even encompass in their wildest dreams a small part of what He Does.
     
  15. SavedByGrace3

    SavedByGrace3 Whoever calls on the name of Jesus will be saved Supporter

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    Thanks again for your comments!
     
  16. LoG

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    When I was young (10?) and reading the bible it struck me that Genesis 1:1 was before the Creation week the way it read. Then when i was 12, I came home with a textbook from school where they talked about dinosaurs that lived millions of years before. I asked my father about how that was possible and his response was that there were some who believed the bible hinted at previous creations. He left it to me what to accept and I just went with the previous creations had brought the dinosaurs about and was at peace about that.
    Today 50 years later, Genesis 1:1 still reads most naturally as being separate and preexisting the first day when God said let there be light. I believe that was why He said only the Light was good and not the heaven, Earth and water as they were already there: Gen 1:2 And the earth was/became without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
    Sometimes when i think of the debate over this, the verse about John the Baptist being Elijah comes to mind. Jesus response to that debate was "If you are willing to accept it, he is Elijah who is to come. He who has ears to hear, let him hear.”
    To me he leaves it to the listeners to make up their minds what to believe. I think the same applies to whether there were previous creations to this one. It is worthwhile to note that the next two creations mentioned in prophecies (1000 year and the New Jerusalem) both mention that the inhabitants of them would not remember the former things (creations).

    I don't give credence to evolution in the respect that we all come from the same microbe and suspect that the fossil record is simply showing us the previous creation(s). Oh and in my opinion, I rather doubt the earth being 4.6 Billion years old but again, that's just an opinion based loosely on a study that showed the speed of light has been decelerating which would throw off their dating.
     
  17. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    What happened to those who were/are condemned for their unbelief already ?

    He did not change their minds, but let them decide themselves, right ?

    Thus, they perish. Without any hope. With no sacrifice for their sins. With no fellowship with the Father nor with the Son.
     
  18. SavedByGrace3

    SavedByGrace3 Whoever calls on the name of Jesus will be saved Supporter

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    This is a very common belief among TE. Commonly called the "gap" theory(not a theory to me) it proposes that there were men and civilizations before Gen 1:2. It also opens the door to the idea that the earth and creation can be billions of years old, and the creatures like the dinosaurs existed in these "Pre-Adamic" ages. However, the age of man, included all those we consider "proto human" man, were brought up since Gen 1:2 and "evolved" into what I call "earth men" because they came from the earth at the command of God. "Let the earth bring forth...".
    It was only after God created Adam and Eve in the GOE and their subsequent crossing with "earth man" that we have what we see today.
     
  19. LoG

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    Most of the Gap theory scholars and writers I have ever come across over the years, were creationists without any included evolution. Evolutionists tend to be day-age believers where the days of creation were not 24 hour days but of 1000+ years. Other evolutionists just see Genesis as an allegory.

    Gappers like myself tend to be more literalist then YEC's because we have no need to allegorize certain verses into a 6000 year history for the Earth. The geology of the Earth is not just the result of Noah's flood but also the culmination of ages past which God in His wisdom didn't enlighten us with directly but only hinted at.
    Myself I like the way this site explains it.
    The Bible, Genesis and Geology

    I really don't know and I think it not good to conjecture too much what sort of plan He had for those who may have lived previous to this creation. I leave it pretty much to the idea that on a need to know basis, I(we) don't need to know but that we can trust that His goodness and mercy was as valid for them as it is for us.
    Remember too that the fall of satan had to have happened before the time in the garden and though there is no direct reference to how long before, it is not unreasonable to conclude it was before the creation of Adam and Eve.
     
  20. SavedByGrace3

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    I see all fossil evidece as having occured prior to Gen 1:2.
     
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