Did Jesus "confirm the covenant with many"?

[LovedofHim]

24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.



Jer 31:31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.


Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27For this [is] my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.


Somebody show me a scripture that shows the devil or the antichrist making a covenant (or a peace treaty) with Israel or anybody.

Daniel 9 is all about Jesus and Israel and how Jesus (Messiah the Prince) confirms the covenant with many of Israel for one final week. The sacrifices were ended in the middle of that week because Christ takes away sins by HIS sacrifice. Blindness IN PART happened to Israel (in regards to the covenant) until the gentile church comes in.

There is a "church" gap in the middle of the 70th week to allow "the fulness of the gentiles to come in".

He wil confirm the covenant with many of Israel still (latter half of the 70th week) as is shown in Revelation 7 and 12. (By the way, the church is standing in heaven in Revelation 7 when Israel is sealed, proving that Israel was "blinded in part until the fulness of the gentiles is come in")

Revelation 7


1And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
2And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
4And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
5Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
6Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
7Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. 8Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.


Revelation 12: 6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.


13And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

 

[Truth Files]

You are getting close to the correct rendering of the 70 weeks of years

His confirming of the covenant with the "many" [a believing remnant part of Israel] is still pending and He will do this by executing the full 70th week [satan's "other prince" [the beast in the little horn] cannot do this, and would not] .... only the Lord can meet the six objectives listed in Daniel 9:24 for the "many"

There is no "peace treaty" made by the little horn [the other prince] in the vision .... the covenant confirmed is not a peace treaty between Israel and the nation's enemies as some think

The time lapse of the 70th week will include 1260 days + 1260 days + an additional 30 days .... the time frame is given in Daniel's visions and in Revelation

Satan's beast in the little horn will rise [appear] just at the beginning of the coming 70th week and it will take 1260 days for him to conquer and confederate the Middle East into his expanded divided kingdom with 10 other Middle Eastern kings [he will not just pop up and begin to rule for the second 1260 days .... his conquering of the region including Israel will take time]

Daniel's visions of 7:7-25; 8:9; 11:36-45; 12:7 present his war campaign and by the middle of the week he will have formed his completed Middle Eastern kingdom which will include Israel, Jerusalem, and the temple mount

He will then rule the region for the second 1260 [42 months] unopposed .... and he will cause great destruction to other nations outside of the Middle East who oppose his rising [Daniel 11:44; Revelation 8:8-13; 14:8; 17:16-18; 18:1-21]

And Israel will be killed and scattered, and some will to flee for the Lord's protection during this 42 month time frame as Zechariah 14:4-5; Matthew 24:15-6; Revelation 12:6; 12:14 tell

The Lord will then turn on the beast and his kingdom of followers and destroy them at Armageddon in the next 30 days ..... this is why Daniel 12:11 adds the 30 days to the second 1260 days for a total of 1290 days

 

[Choose Wisely]

Somebody show me a scripture that shows the devil or the antichrist making a covenant (or a peace treaty) with Israel or anybody.

Daniel 11
21And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
22And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Daniel 11
21And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
22And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.

How do you know that this is the antichrist using information from the timeline given starting from Daniel 10.

 

[Truth Files]

It is not .... this prophecy was been fulfilled by Antiochus IV before the first century

He is the last king of Syrio/Babylonia north of Israel in the visions of Daniel 11:21-35

One can compare the history record of the same and find the total congruence of the prophecy with his exact career

In fact, the prophecy was fulfilled with 100% accuracy and critics of the Bible's authenticity claim that it must have been written after his rule

The next king of the same northern region is the little horn of Daniel's vision beginning in 11:36, and it this king who will arise there at the time of the end

If one does not believe this fact about Antiochus IV there is ample information regarding the rule of the northern Greek kings and his career the Internet

The 70 week decreed for Israel has not come yet and the Lord has not confirmed the covenant for Daniel's people yet .... but He will do this during the 70th week for a believing remnant part of the nation

 

[LovedofHim]

You are getting close to the correct rendering of the 70 weeks of years

His confirming of the covenant with the "many" [a believing remnant part of Israel] is still pending and He will do this by executing the full 70th week [satan's "other prince" [the beast in the little horn] cannot do this, and would not] .... only the Lord can meet the six objectives listed in Daniel 9:24 for the "many"

There is no "peace treaty" made by the little horn [the other prince] in the vision .... the covenant confirmed is not a peace treaty between Israel and the nation's enemies as some think

The time lapse of the 70th week will include 1260 days + 1260 days + an additional 30 days .... the time frame is given in Daniel's visions and in Revelation

Satan's beast in the little horn will rise [appear] just at the beginning of the coming 70th week and it will take 1260 days for him to conquer and confederate the Middle East into his expanded divided kingdom with 10 other Middle Eastern kings [he will not just pop up and begin to rule for the second 1260 days .... his conquering of the region including Israel will take time]

Daniel's visions of 7:7-25; 8:9; 11:36-45; 12:7 present his war campaign and by the middle of the week he will have formed his completed Middle Eastern kingdom which will include Israel, Jerusalem, and the temple mount

He will then rule the region for the second 1260 [42 months] unopposed .... and he will cause great destruction to other nations outside of the Middle East who oppose his rising [Daniel 11:44; Revelation 8:8-13; 14:8; 17:16-18; 18:1-21]

And Israel will be killed and scattered, and some will to flee for the Lord's protection during this 42 month time frame as Zechariah 14:4-5; Matthew 24:15-6; Revelation 12:6; 12:14 tell

The Lord will then turn on the beast and his kingdom of followers and destroy them at Armageddon in the next 30 days ..... this is why Daniel 12:11 adds the 30 days to the second 1260 days for a total of 1290 days

I do not think that there are two sets of 42 months left based on Revelation 12 & 13.

The woman, the remnant of Israel, is kept from the devil for 42 months, the same 42 months that the devil is doing his thing.

I do not think that there are two sets of 42 months left because Jesus already confirmed the covenant with many for the first half of the 70th week (or how else would we know about it, being the gentile church that Israel was set aside in order that we could be brought in). That leaves only 42 months remaining. That is the same 42 months that the woman (Israel) is protected from the devil.

When the church is caught up, they are standing in heaven saying "woe to the earth for the devil is gone down to you, knowing his time is short". We know how short. Once the antichrist is empowered after gog is destroyed by God, there is only 42 months remaining.


The 1290 days in Daniel 12 refers to the destruction of the temple and has nothing to do with the 70th week.

The 1335 days is what remains. The two witnesses begin before the Day of the Lord begins (Mal 4) at the time of the 6th seal/7th seal. The devil is cast down, sending the flood (armies) against Israel but God takes care of it, gathering and protecting Israel (a remnant) for 42 months at the time of the 6th/7th seal. Just after that, the devil empowers the antichrist for 42 months - the same 42 months that Israel is kept from the devil. The extra 75 days is for certain events to occur.

 

[Truth Files]

I know what you think, but the prophetic scriptures give a full accounting of the events of the coming 70th week of which are all future events .... and none have taken place in the past

The beast in the little horn will not rule for the second 1260 days [42 months] until he has conquered all of his opposition .... and this must take place during the first 1260 days of the the coming 70th week

Daniel's visions are quite clear about this truth and these things must be incorporated in the full study of the subject including Revelation's view of the same period

 

[LovedofHim]

I know what you think, but the prophetic scriptures give a full accounting of the events of the coming 70th week of which are all future events .... and none have taken place in the past

The beast in the little horn will not rule for the second 1260 days [42 months] until he has conquered all of his opposition .... and this must take place during the first 1260 days of the the coming 70th week

Daniel's visions are quite clear about this truth and these things must be incorporated in the full study of the subject including Revelation's view of the same period

Truthfiles, if the devil has an army to "conquer opposition", he is ruling. There is not 7 years left.
Your idea that the beast has to conquer his opposition for 42 months before he rules for 42 months is YOUR idea, alone. It is not found in scripture.

The covenant was confirmed by Jesus for 42 months before he was cut off, ending the need for sacrifices and will continue to confirm that covenant with Israel during the last 42 months, feeding them and protecting them from the antichrist.

 

[LovedofHim]

Furthermore, the antichrist is not empowered until after the devil is cast down and sends gog against Israel. Then the beast is "given a mouth", who is the antichrist, who then blasphemes God and the church who dwell in heaven, (having been snatched up when the devil is cast down).


When the devil is cast down, there is not 7 years remaining, but just over 3 1/2 years, as is written in scripture in Revelation 12 and 13.

 

[papaJP]

So many getting lost in the symbolism.

 

[Choose Wisely]

How do you know that this is the antichrist using information from the timeline given starting from Daniel 10.

Look at the later verses in chapter 11. It is the antichrist.


35And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.
36And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. 37Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

We can also continue into chapter 12 and see that they are talking about the time of the end and the antichrist.

Then look to see when the transition happens from earlier times in Daniel 10 to end times in Daniel 11. That would be verse 6 of Daniel 11.

Daniel 11
6And in the end of years they shall join themselves together

 

[LovedofHim]

Daniel 10 -11 discuss a 2500 year time period from Darius until the antichrist.

It mentions Alexander the Great, the Ptolemies/Selucids, as well as the Romans and the antichrist.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Furthermore, the antichrist is not empowered until after the devil is cast down and sends gog against Israel. Then the beast is "given a mouth", who is the antichrist, who then blasphemes God and the church who dwell in heaven, (having been snatched up when the devil is cast down).


When the devil is cast down, there is not 7 years remaining, but just over 3 1/2 years, as is written in scripture in Revelation 12 and 13.

The devil has already been cast down.

 

[LovedofHim]

The devil has already been cast down.

No, he fell from heaven before Adam and Eve. His domain is still "in the heavenly realms". He will be cast down to the earth. Then, after his 42 months, he will be cast lower still, into an abyss.

Luk 10:18He replied, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

Eph 6:12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

Rev 12:9The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

Rev 20:3He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

No, he fell from heaven before Adam and Eve. His domain is still "in the heavenly realms". He will be cast down to the earth. Then, after his 42 months, he will be cast lower still, into an abyss.

Luk 10:18He replied, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

Eph 6:12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

Rev 12:9The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

Rev 20:3He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

He has already lost his home in heaven. His domain is here on earth. He was cast out at the cross. The gospels bear witness.

 

[LovedofHim]

He has already lost his home in heaven. His domain is here on earth. He was cast out at the cross. The gospels bear witness.

No, his domain is currently exactly where scripture said it is:

Eph 6:12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

He wanders about seeking someone to devour just like in Job's time.


1Pe 5:8Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

He hasn't changed locations since Christ's ascension, but Christ is opening the seals and sending out the curse that will bring down the devil's grip and dominion over the earth, culminating in the 7th seal when the devil will be cast down to the earth, unable to accuse the brethren (which is why he blasphemes those who dwell in heaven in Rev 13).

The devil is still in the same place he was in the time of Job. The thing that is different now is that the church has been empowered to overcome the devil until the 'fulness of the gentiles is come in' and the church is snatched up when the devil is cast down to the earth.

Luk 10:19I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you.



JOb 16Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
7And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
8And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
9Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
10Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
11But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. 12And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

No, his domain is currently exactly where scripture said it is:

Eph 6:12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

He wanders about seeking someone to devour just like in Job's time.


1Pe 5:8Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

He hasn't changed locations since Christ's ascension, but Christ is opening the seals and sending out the curse that will bring down the devil's grip and dominion over the earth, culminating in the 7th seal when the devil will be cast down to the earth, unable to accuse the brethren (which is why he blasphemes those who dwell in heaven in Rev 13).

The devil is still in the same place he was in the time of Job. The thing that is different now is that the church has been empowered to overcome the devil until the 'fulness of the gentiles is come in' and the church is snatched up when the devil is cast down to the earth.

Luk 10:19I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you.



JOb 16Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
7And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
8And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
9Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
10Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
11But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. 12And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

Well the reference to Job is not a valid argument because at that time he had access to heaven but he was cast out at the cross.

Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Who is the prince of this world? And when is "Now" because according to the scripture he was cast out. When was Jesus lifted up? It was at the cross.

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

When did salvation and strength come? It came at the cross.

Joh 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

But again here is a reference to the prince of this world? That is obviously the devil. This is his domain.

Also look at this

Joh 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Joh 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
Joh 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
Joh 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

What do you think about these scriptures.

 

[LovedofHim]

Well the reference to Job is not a valid argument because at that time he had access to heaven but he was cast out at the cross.

Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Who is the prince of this world? And when is "Now" because according to the scripture he was cast out. When was Jesus lifted up? It was at the cross.

Yes, and when Jesus ascended he began the work of casting satan out of this world, bringing down the grip and dominion of the devil which is almost over. But it doesn't say that satan was cast out of heaven at that time, now does it!?!
It says that "now shall the prince of this world be cast out" BY JESUS, because Jesus is the only one who is worthy to take the scroll which is the mechanism, the legal framework by which Jesus destroys and brings down the dominion of the devil on this earth!

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

When did salvation and strength come? It came at the cross.

Oh, you should've kept reading there because it proves you wrong:


10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

This "loud voice" is in heaven, prophecykid, and is saying "now is come the salvation and kingdom of our God" because the accuser (the devil) of OUR brethren (the church), is cast down. That brethren overcame by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony and did not love their lives here unto death. The church is dwelling there in heaven and saying that. In addition, they (the church who is dwelling in heaven) say "woe to the earth for the devil is gone down to you".


Besides that, all through the New Testament, it speaks of our COMING salvation who is Jesus.

3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, 5 who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.

1Th 5:9For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Hbr 9:28so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

Joh 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

But again here is a reference to the prince of this world? That is obviously the devil. This is his domain.

Also look at this

Joh 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Joh 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
Joh 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
Joh 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

What do you think about these scriptures.

Yes, they are speaking of the devil. The prince of this world that is judged whom Christ is referring to in these passages is the devil.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Well I don't agree with how you view those scriptures but since you do say that indeed Satan is the prince of this world, then how is heaven his domain and not this earth. How can he be the prince of this world if this world is not his domain?

 

[LovedofHim]

Well I don't agree with how you view those scriptures but since you do say that indeed Satan is the prince of this world, then how is heaven his domain and not this earth. How can he be the prince of this world if this world is not his domain?

If you will recall, Adam lost dominion over the earth to satan.

Satan's domain is not heaven but "heavenly realms".

And if you will recall, Paul said there are three levels to heaven, having been caught up to the "third heaven".

Satan currently roams heaven and earth and he is certainly still able to accuse the brethren, unsuccessfully due to the blood of Jesus, but accusatory nonetheless.

Satan is to be cast down to the earth, no longer able to accuse the bethren or go to heavenly realms, no longer able to roam anywhere but on earth. That moment is described in Revelation 12 and it occurs when the manchild, who is the church, is snatched up to the throne of God.