Did all the laws end at the cross- Part 2

[Leaf473]

As we already established Jesus was quoting from the Ten Commandments in Matthew 5:17-30 and no where does He refer to animal sacrifices in this passage, when we insert our ideas to the scriptures instead of allowing the scriptures to interpreter itself, it loses its Truth.

Do you not think the blood of Christ is able to cleanse us from all sins? 1 John 1:7-9 or should we continue with animal sacrifices despite the scripture telling us they were fulfilled in Christ when He became our Sacrificial Lamb for the forgiveness of sins? Hebrews 10:1-10

Do you think you’re free to worship other gods? That Jesus became our Sacrificial Lamb so we can freely worship other gods and live in perpetual sin (breaking God’s law) 1 John 3:4, Romans 7:7. Jesus tells us the answer to this Matthew 7:21-23 as told elsewhere Hebrews 10:26-20 Revelation 22:14-15 1 John 2:3-6 Romans 6:16, Romans 8:1-10 Matthew 19:17-19, Matthew 15:3-9 but if you want to believe all the laws were fulfilled in Christ meaning they ended and we can freely do these things without consequence that will have to be between you and Christ.

God’s ways are eternal and His way is in the sanctuary Psalm 77:13 and in His sanctuary in the Most Holy of the dwelling place of God under His Mercy Seat are His personally engraved Ten Commandments that is in heaven Revelation 11:19.

Where was Jesus quoting from in Matthew 5:31-47?

Are you honestly trying to say that the Law does not include animal sacrifices?

I agree that the laws regarding animal sacrifices have passed from the law. So... Did heaven and Earth pass away, or has all been fulfilled? What do you say?

Peace be with you!

 

[Leaf473]

As we already established Jesus was quoting from the Ten Commandments in Matthew 5:17-30 and no where does He refer to animal sacrifices in this passage, when we insert our ideas to the scriptures instead of allowing the scriptures to interpreter itself, it loses its Truth.

Do you not think the blood of Christ is able to cleanse us from all sins? 1 John 1:7-9 or should we continue with animal sacrifices despite the scripture telling us they were fulfilled in Christ when He became our Sacrificial Lamb for the forgiveness of sins? Hebrews 10:1-10

Do you think you’re free to worship other gods? That Jesus became our Sacrificial Lamb so we can freely worship other gods and live in perpetual sin (breaking God’s law) 1 John 3:4, Romans 7:7. Jesus tells us the answer to this Matthew 7:21-23 as told elsewhere Hebrews 10:26-20 Revelation 22:14-15 1 John 2:3-6 Romans 6:16, Romans 8:1-10 Matthew 19:17-19, Matthew 15:3-9 but if you want to believe all the laws were fulfilled in Christ meaning they ended and we can freely do these things without consequence that will have to be between you and Christ.

God’s ways are eternal and His way is in the sanctuary Psalm 77:13 and in His sanctuary in the Most Holy of the dwelling place of God under His Mercy Seat are His personally engraved Ten Commandments that is in heaven Revelation 11:19.

No, we are not free to worship other gods because we are constrained by other instructions.

But the letters of the Ten commandments are part of the Law and the Prophets just as much as animal sacrifices are.

The Law and the Prophets are in heaven, as well:
Forever, O Lord,
Your word is settled in heaven.
Psalm 119 NKJV

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Where was Jesus quoting from in Matthew 5:31-47?

Are you honestly trying to say that the Law does not include animal sacrifices?

I agree that the laws regarding animal sacrifices have passed from the law. So... Did heaven and Earth pass away, or has all been fulfilled? What do you say?

Peace be with you!

In Matthew 5 which is what we are discussing, please point out where Jesus is quoting the law of Moses on animal sacrifices.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

No, we are not free to worship other gods because we are constrained by other instructions.

But the letters of the Ten commandments are part of the Law and the Prophets just as much as animal sacrifices are.

The Law and the Prophets are in heaven, as well:
Forever, O Lord,
Your word is settled in heaven.
Psalm 119 NKJV

So we do not worship other gods, agreed and this law came from the Ten Commandments. Exodus 20:3

Do you think the blood of Christ is sufficient to forgive all sins or do you need the blood of animals to forgive sin?

 

[Bob S]

Yes, all the ritual laws ended at Calvary. Ritual laws include the Sabbath of the fourth commandment. Laws concerning morality are forever.
Merry Christmas everyone. Thank you Jesus!!!!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Yes, all the ritual laws ended at Calvary. Ritual laws include the Sabbath of the fourth commandment. Laws concerning morality are forever.
Merry Christmas everyone. Thank you Jesus!!!!

All of God’s commandments are moral and righteous Psalms 119:172 so its not our opinion that matters. God wrote Ten Commanemnts Exodus 32:16 Exodus 31:18 and what God placed together man cannot remove, change or alter. Deuteronomy 4:2

 

[BobRyan]

No. I'm saying that as soon as
Heaven and Earth have passed away
and/or
All is fulfilled/accomplished,
then things can pass away from the Law.

so when the Earth is destroyed in Rev 20 and 21 then the law against taking God's name in vain will be deleted in your view???

Do you not say that the letters of the tithing commandments that relate to the Levites have passed away from the law?

I say that Heb 7 is true when it says the levitical priesthood ended. But Heb 7 does not say that this also ended the commandment to not take God's name in vain and in Eph 6:1-2 Paul affirms the ten flat out. As Jesus does in Matt 19 as Paul does in Rom 13 etc.

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" rather than "what matters is that the commandments of God were deleted as soon as Christ paid tithe".

 

[BobRyan]

Yes, all the ritual laws ended at Calvary.

But not the moral laws of God which in the case of Sabbath begin in Gen 2:1-3 according to Ex 20:11 and have no ritual either in Gen 2 or in Ex 20:8-11. And as Is 66:23 applies for all eternity to all mankind in the New Earth.

Ritual laws include the Sabbath of the fourth commandment.

Your speculatin on that point does not appear to be inline with the texts just referenced above.

 

[Bob S]

Yes, all of the laws God has ever given man are moral as in moral or immoral. Many of His laws to the Israelites were of a ritual or ceremonial nature. We cannot deny this fact and be oblivious like many of my fellow believers in Christ are now doing. Jesus ended the old covenant laws at Calvary and all mankind are now under the Royal Law of Love which covers ALL laws dealing with morality not just the ten that became the ministry of death to the Israelites. Col2:16-17, Eph2:15, 2Cor3:6-11, Gal3 and many more scriptural proofs.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Yes, all of the laws God has ever given man are moral as in moral or immoral. Many of His laws to the Israelites were of a ritual or ceremonial nature. We cannot deny this fact and be oblivious like many of my fellow believers in Christ are now doing. Jesus ended the old covenant laws at Calvary and all mankind are now under the Royal Law of Love which covers ALL laws dealing with morality not just the ten that became the ministry of death to the Israelites. Col2:16-17, Eph2:15, 2Cor3:6-11, Gal3 and many more scriptural proofs.

Jesus taught on God's commandments ….and condemned those who do not keep God’s commandments quoting directly from the Ten Commandments.

Matthew 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”


And again quoting directly from the Ten Commandments saying those who teach others the commandments will be great in heaven and words for those who teach others to not keep God’s commandments. Matthew 5:19 You might consider the Sabbath a ritual, but God deemed it is one of His Ten Commandments and its time set aside every seventh day to keep the day holy and to worship and honor Him, thus saith the Lord. Isaiah 58:13, Isaiah 66:23 Exodus 20:8-11. God said He knows us when we keep His commandments 1 John 2:3-5 and what better way for God to know us by spending time with Him on His holy and blessed Sabbath day.

Jesus came to do the will of His Father in Heaven and Jesus kept all of the commandments of God and told us to as well. John 15:10, John 14:15- Exodus 20:6 God and Jesus are One and there is no conflict on their holy commandments that resides in God’s dwelling place under His mercy seat. Revelation 11:19

If you think we need to even keep one of God’s engraved commandments then all apply because they came in a unit of Ten personally written by God and no man can change remove or alter. Deut 4:2. I hope you do not think Jesus came to free you from only worshipping God alone.

 

[Leaf473]

In Matthew 5 which is what we are discussing, please point out where Jesus is quoting the law of Moses on animal sacrifices.

This isn't a direct quote, but definitely an allusion to animal sacrifices because of the altar imo:
23Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.

Matthew 5 NKJV

The issue is when Jesus says the Law in Matthew 5, is he referring only to the ten commandments, or to the entire Law?

Where was Jesus quoting from here?
Again you have heard that it was said to the ancient ones, ‘You shall not make false vows, but shall perform to the Lord your vows.

Pleasant words are a honeycomb, sweet to the soul, and health to the bones.
Proverbs 16

 

[Leaf473]

So we do not worship other gods, agreed and this law came from the Ten Commandments. Exodus 20:3

Do you think the blood of Christ is sufficient to forgive all sins or do you need the blood of animals to forgive sin?

Yes, I agree that the blood of Christ is sufficient to forgive all sins. We do not need the blood of animals to forgive sin.

 

[Leaf473]

All of God’s commandments are moral and righteous Psalms 119:172 so its not our opinion that matters. God wrote Ten Commanemnts Exodus 32:16 Exodus 31:18 and what God placed together man cannot remove, change or alter. Deuteronomy 4:2

Have other parts of the law passed from the law?

Pleasant words are a honeycomb, sweet to the soul, and health to the bones.
Proverbs 16

 

[Leaf473]

so when the Earth is destroyed in Rev 20 and 21 then the law against taking God's name in vain will be deleted in your view???

Not deleted, fulfilled.

Not deleted, fulfilled.

Not deleted, fulfilled.

(I wrote it three times because I've said this several times before and I read somewhere that when people are exposed to something three times they tend to remember it better.)

May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

 

[Leaf473]

so when the Earth is destroyed in Rev 20 and 21 then the law against taking God's name in vain will be deleted in your view???

But I'm curious about your input on that, Bob, my man.

Has any part of the law passed away from the law?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Yes, I agree that the blood of Christ is sufficient to forgive all sins. We do not need the blood of animals to forgive sin.

Well than we agree, we should obey God’s commandments and we are not to worship other gods even after the cross, which is part of the Ten Commandments that God alone wrote and spoke Exodus 32:16, Exodus 31:18 and came in a unit of Ten. Exodus 34:28 that we cannot add or subtract from Deut 4:2

And Christ’s blood is sufficient to forgive all sins so there would be no need to keep the laws for animal sacrifices when it clearly shows those have been fulfilled in Christ at the cross. Col 2:14, Eph 2:15, Hebrews 10:1-10. Animal sacrifices were to forgive sin when breaking God’s law 1 John 3:4, Romans 7:7 now we go directly to Jesus for the forgiveness of sin (breaking God’s law 1 John 3:4, Romans 7:7) when we repent (have a changed heart) and turn from sin and walk with Jesus in obedience to His commandments John 14:15, 1 John 5:3, Exodus 20:6

Need to run, God bless.

 

[Leaf473]

Well than we agree, we should obey God’s commandments and we are not to worship other gods even after the cross, which is part of the Ten Commandments that God alone wrote and spoke and came in a unit of Ten.

And Christ’s blood is sufficient to forgive all sins so there would be no need to keep the laws for animal sacrifices when it clearly shows those have been fulfilled in Christ at the cross. Col 2:14, Eph 2:15, Hebrews 10:1-10. Animal sacrifices were to forgive sin when breaking God’s law 1 John 3:4, Romans 7:7 now we go directly to Jesus for the forgiveness of sin (breaking God’s law 1 John 3:4, Romans 7:7) when we repent (have a changed heart) and turn from sin and walk with Jesus in obedience to His commandments John 14:15, 1 John 5:3, Exodus 20:6

Need to run, God bless.

Are animal sacrifices part of the Law and the Prophets?

May the Lord bless you and keep you!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Are animal sacrifices part of the law and the prophets?

May the Lord bless you and keep you!

Yes, all of God’s Word is the law and prophets, which if we follow correctly will guide us in all Truth.

 

[Leaf473]

I say that Heb 7 is true when it says the levitical priesthood ended. But Heb 7 does not say that this also ended the commandment to not take God's name in vain and in Eph 6:1-2 Paul affirms the ten flat out. As Jesus does in Matt 19 as Paul does in Rom 13 etc.

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" rather than "what matters is that the commandments of God were deleted as soon as Christ paid tithe".

Okay... But did the letters of some of the tithing commandments pass away from the law?

Pleasant words are a honeycomb, sweet to the soul, and health to the bones.
Proverbs 16

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Okay... But did the letters of some of the timing commandments pass away from the law?

Pleasant words are a honeycomb, sweet to the soul, and health to the bones.
Proverbs 16

Seriously? We just went through this and agreed we keep at least one of the Ten Commandments and we don’t sacrifice animals because the blood of Jesus can cleanse of us all sins according to the Word of God. At some point we should want to progress in God’s Word and staying in circles on things you seem to understand doesn’t make sense for me to continue in this discussion when there are lots of people earnestly seeking to understand God’s Word. I am going to bow out and please lets just leave it as we will need to agree to disagree and praise God this gets sorted out soon enough and I wish you nothing but the best and hope you find the Truth to God’s Word like we should all be seeking.