Destination of torment

[Natsumi Lam]

Hi Family,

Why does it seem God is unjust and unloving within the logic of man?

God, knowing that some men would choose damnation, created a place of punishment. He could have chosen an infinite number of paths outside of eternal punishment even with the ability of free will still intacted.

Why do you believe God created this path out of infinite options?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Hi Family,

Why does it seem God is unjust and unloving within the logic of man?

Because the mind of man is unjust and loving.

God, knowing that some men would choose damnation, created a place of punishment. He could have chosen an infinite number of paths outside of eternal punishment even with the ability of free will still intacted.

Why do you believe God created this path out of infinite options?

God gave a world to Adam, this is what we chose.

 

[salt-n-light]

Hi Family,

Why does it seem God is unjust and unloving within the logic of man?

God, knowing that some men would choose damnation, created a place of punishment. He could have chosen an infinite number of paths outside of eternal punishment even with the ability of free will still intacted.

Why do you believe God created this path out of infinite options?

He didn’t create a place of punishment originally for us, it was establish for the Devil and his fallen angels. God is trying to save us from that same fate but knowing we are not perfect by nature some will end up there. But He created a path that we all have that chance of salvation.

He didn’t overpromise that everyone will end up with Him, that is the price of free will.He knew our hearts and some are more inclined to not be with God than others.

 

[eleos1954]

Hi Family,

Why does it seem God is unjust and unloving within the logic of man?

God, knowing that some men would choose damnation, created a place of punishment. He could have chosen an infinite number of paths outside of eternal punishment even with the ability of free will still intacted.

Why do you believe God created this path out of infinite options?

eternal punishment - He doesn't punish people for eternity

This doesn't sound right to you ... does it? And it isn't ... that's why you are questioning it. You know in your heart it is not true.

I couldn't love and serve a God like that.

God is not a torturer.

In the very end it will be necessary for him to destroy all the wicked, satan and his minions and the earth to totally eradicate sin for eternity. But that is due to their choices and he does and will respect choices.

God Bless.

We have a Loving God ... not a torturing god.

 

[JackRT]

As human beings we are bounded in both time and place. That is to say, we are finite. On the other hand we think of God as completely unbounded. God exists outside of both time and space. God is present everywhere and at all times. That is to say, God is infinite. This is the orthodox theistic understanding of God. To compare the finite to the infinite is beyond our human comprehension. Even to compare a grain of sand to Mount Everest falls far, far, far short. All of this brings up a number of questions in my mind.


The first question being “How is it even possible for a finite creature to offend an infinite God?” Could a grain of sand offend Mount Everest?


The second question being “Even if it were possible for the finite to offend the infinite, would the infinite punishment of a finite creature be just?” I will attempt to craft an analogy. You are in a park enjoying a picnic lunch when you glance down and notice an ant crawling across your sandwich. You are offended. How do you react? You have a number of options. You could ignore the ant. You could brush the ant away. You could move to a different location. You could kill the ant. You could kill the entire ant colony. You could capture the ant and confine it and proceed to torture it for several weeks until it finally dies. That last option is quite inadequate as a comparison to hell because hell is infinite in duration whereas the ant can only be tortured for a finite length of time.


To me the concept of hell flies in the face of any concept of a just and compassionate God. Hell would seem to be an entirely human invention based on a vindictive concept of retributory justice. Perhaps we have the wrong idea of hell. Perhaps we have the wrong idea of justice. Perhaps we have the wrong idea of God. I completely reject the concept of hell as it is traditionally understood in most Christian churches.