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Deconversion?
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I think you will agree that we learn from most hard lessons in our lives. Sometimes these lessons do leave bruises but they eventually fade away. It is up to us to use these hard lessons to better our lives. Some do but others just have to blame someone.
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If your child is drowning in a forzen lake and you tuen your back on him....is he being a demanding little kid?
That's what you are imlpying.
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Philothei
Love never fails
God does not promise a life without tribulation... Christ says pick up your cross and carry it ... Faith is where we carry on despite the tribulations. Faith is not a constant thing... We fall and we are allowed to doubt Job did...He did doubt he did asked and he was denied an anwered and he continue to ask and ask and ask ....The difference was he never gave up hope despite what his friends and everyone else said... He persevered in what he believed.... And God answered him... eventually. It can take a life time to do so...it can even be in our death bed for some of us...Time is irrelevant to God. And spirtual growth is independent of years or age. Spirtual maturity comes with how many tribulations we endure and how much we "stick it out"...
prayers for Criada...that she might see the light at the end of this tunnel; that she might see the light of Christ shinning upon her.
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I'm not blaming god because there's no one to blame.I think you will agree that we learn from most hard lessons in our lives. Sometimes these lessons do leave bruises but they eventually fade away. It is up to us to use these hard lessons to better our lives. Some do but others just have to blame someone.
If anything I blame myself for beliving in this for as long as I did...it's my own fault I guess.
Lessons are one thing, but if there is a god, his "lesson" was the cause of me going to hell one day...lovely guys, hu?
I say that this as a hypothetical, of course, because there is no god.
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Philothei
Love never fails
And God answered Job:" Are you greater than me that you know ....."...
Are you greater than God to know His wisdom behind any act?? NOPE...I am implying we cannot start fathoming the wisdom of God and why He does the things He does.. But as His children we have to be obedient to His will... and His disciplinary actions for us.
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Psalm 6
For the director of music. With stringed instruments. According to sheminith.[a]
A psalm of David.
1O LORD, do not rebuke me in your anger
or discipline me in your wrath. 2 Be merciful to me, LORD, for I am faint;
O LORD, heal me, for my bones are in agony.
3 My soul is in anguish.
How long, O LORD, how long?
4 Turn, O LORD, and deliver me;
save me because of your unfailing love.
5 No one remembers you when he is dead.
Who praises you from the grave [b] ?
6 I am worn out from groaning;
all night long I flood my bed with weeping
and drench my couch with tears.
7 My eyes grow weak with sorrow;
they fail because of all my foes.
8 Away from me, all you who do evil,
for the LORD has heard my weeping.
9 The LORD has heard my cry for mercy;
the LORD accepts my prayer.
10 All my enemies will be ashamed and dismayed;
they will turn back in sudden disgrace.
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Psalm 10 (New International Version)
Psalm 10
1 [a]Why, O LORD, do you stand far off?
Why do you hide yourself in times of trouble?
2 In his arrogance the wicked man hunts down the weak,
who are caught in the schemes he devises.
3 He boasts of the cravings of his heart;
he blesses the greedy and reviles the LORD.
4 In his pride the wicked does not seek him;
in all his thoughts there is no room for God.
5 His ways are always prosperous;
he is haughty and your laws are far from him;
he sneers at all his enemies.
6 He says to himself, "Nothing will shake me;
I'll always be happy and never have trouble."
7 His mouth is full of curses and lies and threats;
trouble and evil are under his tongue.
8 He lies in wait near the villages;
from ambush he murders the innocent,
watching in secret for his victims.
9 He lies in wait like a lion in cover;
he lies in wait to catch the helpless;
he catches the helpless and drags them off in his net.
10 His victims are crushed, they collapse;
they fall under his strength.
11 He says to himself, "God has forgotten;
he covers his face and never sees."
12 Arise, LORD! Lift up your hand, O God.
Do not forget the helpless.
13 Why does the wicked man revile God?
Why does he say to himself,
"He won't call me to account"?
14 But you, O God, do see trouble and grief;
you consider it to take it in hand.
The victim commits himself to you;
you are the helper of the fatherless.
15 Break the arm of the wicked and evil man;
call him to account for his wickedness
that would not be found out.
16 The LORD is King for ever and ever;
the nations will perish from his land.
17 You hear, O LORD, the desire of the afflicted;
you encourage them, and you listen to their cry,
18 defending the fatherless and the oppressed,
in order that man, who is of the earth, may terrify no more.
David definitely struggled with times of silence yet he hung on to God that much tighter
For the director of music. With stringed instruments. According to sheminith.[a]
A psalm of David.
1O LORD, do not rebuke me in your anger
or discipline me in your wrath. 2 Be merciful to me, LORD, for I am faint;
O LORD, heal me, for my bones are in agony.
3 My soul is in anguish.
How long, O LORD, how long?
4 Turn, O LORD, and deliver me;
save me because of your unfailing love.
5 No one remembers you when he is dead.
Who praises you from the grave [b] ?
6 I am worn out from groaning;
all night long I flood my bed with weeping
and drench my couch with tears.
7 My eyes grow weak with sorrow;
they fail because of all my foes.
8 Away from me, all you who do evil,
for the LORD has heard my weeping.
9 The LORD has heard my cry for mercy;
the LORD accepts my prayer.
10 All my enemies will be ashamed and dismayed;
they will turn back in sudden disgrace.
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Psalm 10 (New International Version)
Psalm 10
1 [a]Why, O LORD, do you stand far off?
Why do you hide yourself in times of trouble?
2 In his arrogance the wicked man hunts down the weak,
who are caught in the schemes he devises.
3 He boasts of the cravings of his heart;
he blesses the greedy and reviles the LORD.
4 In his pride the wicked does not seek him;
in all his thoughts there is no room for God.
5 His ways are always prosperous;
he is haughty and your laws are far from him;
he sneers at all his enemies.
6 He says to himself, "Nothing will shake me;
I'll always be happy and never have trouble."
7 His mouth is full of curses and lies and threats;
trouble and evil are under his tongue.
8 He lies in wait near the villages;
from ambush he murders the innocent,
watching in secret for his victims.
9 He lies in wait like a lion in cover;
he lies in wait to catch the helpless;
he catches the helpless and drags them off in his net.
10 His victims are crushed, they collapse;
they fall under his strength.
11 He says to himself, "God has forgotten;
he covers his face and never sees."
12 Arise, LORD! Lift up your hand, O God.
Do not forget the helpless.
13 Why does the wicked man revile God?
Why does he say to himself,
"He won't call me to account"?
14 But you, O God, do see trouble and grief;
you consider it to take it in hand.
The victim commits himself to you;
you are the helper of the fatherless.
15 Break the arm of the wicked and evil man;
call him to account for his wickedness
that would not be found out.
16 The LORD is King for ever and ever;
the nations will perish from his land.
17 You hear, O LORD, the desire of the afflicted;
you encourage them, and you listen to their cry,
18 defending the fatherless and the oppressed,
in order that man, who is of the earth, may terrify no more.
David definitely struggled with times of silence yet he hung on to God that much tighter
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Yeah, it's the standard line...but it's all talk to keep people from looking at things for themselves and realising what's actually going on and leaving.
This is too funny....we're counted as mature when we can take whatever god throws at us...hmm....another prime example of a "loving father"
Life is tough for everyone...we all have to carry on with life regardless of what happens....but to pin our hopes on this invisible person, hoping he'll assist us...what good is that? You're just giong to get disappointed.
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Tinker, I am just trying to give him hope. My point is not how old he is but that I came to Christ when I was older. Age is irrelevant to when God changes ones heart.
ETA: You are not lost yet either.
Thank you for your kind words.
However, I would respond that I am not lost now.
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You're quoting from the bible to try to reason with an atheist?
I'm greater than god because I actually exist.
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"I once was lost, but now I'm found...was blind but now I see" Referring to my de-conversion from christianity to Atheism of course
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"I once was lost, but now I'm found...was blind but now I see" Referring to my de-conversion from christianity to Atheism of course
Of course!
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"I once was lost, but now I'm found...was blind but now I see" Referring to my de-conversion from christianity to Atheism of course
Here is the next stanza.
T'was Grace that taught my heart to fear.
And Grace, my fears relieved.
How precious did that Grace appear
The hour I first believed.
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"I once was lost, but now I'm found...was blind but now I see" Referring to my de-conversion from christianity to Atheism of course
What do you see?
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A parent who does everything for their child is not the same as a parent who "shoves himself down her throat"; these are both examples of dysfunctional parenting, but they are not the same.
Children often think the parent is "turning a cold shoulder" when in fact, the parent is encouraging the child to grow and mature.
From the perspective of a child, this is precisely what it seems the parent is doing; when that child has children of their own, and desires their health and maturity - the now grown child retrospectively understands the value of their own parents actions.
Which is part of growing up.
Then, one has the opportunity to see not the "picture one has created of God", but God. Like the child, become parent, understands the value of the parent's actions.
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Tinker, I am just trying to give him hope. My point is not how old he is but that I came to Christ when I was older. Age is irrelevant to when God changes ones heart.
ETA: You are not lost yet either.
I wasn't saved and born again until my mid forties and wasn't ordained until my early fifties.
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That's not necessary SC. Please be respectful. This is a Christian site and this thread is not for debate.
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