Debating the Trinity

[sparow]

The word "trinity" is from "tri" and "unity." Not a set of three.

The Holy Spirit is the third person in the Trinity. He is fully God. He is eternal, omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, has a distinct will, a distinct mind, a distinct self, and can speak. He is alive. He is a person. He is not particularly visible in the Bible because His ministry is to bear witness of Jesus (John 15:26).
.....Some false teaching religions like the Jehovah's Witnesses, etc., claim e.g. that the Holy Spirit is nothing but an impersonal force (Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1985, pp. 406-407). This is totally false. If the Holy Spirit was merely an impersonal force or power, He could not speak (Acts 13:2); He could not be grieved (Eph. 4:30); and He would not have a will (1 Cor. 12:11), a self, (Jn 16:13), or a mind, (Rom 8:27).
.....There are, at least, seventy two (72) personal characteristics or attributes, listed in scripture for the Holy Spirit and He is a person the same as the Father and the Son are, within the Trinity.

Names of the Spirit
1. God -Acts 5:3-4, Acts 28:25-27, Heb 3:7-11, Heb 10:15-17
2. Lord - 2 Cor. 3:18
3. Spirit - 1 Cor. 2:10
4. Spirit of God - 1 Cor. 3:16
5. Spirit of Truth - John 15:26
6. Eternal Spirit - Heb. 9:14
Attributes of (9)
7. Eternal -Heb. 9:14
8. Omnipotent - Luke 1:35
9. Omnipresent - Psalm 139:710
10. Distinct Will from the father and the son– 1 Cor. 12:11
11. Loves - Rom. 15:30
12. Speaks - Acts 8:29; Acts 13:2
13. Distinct Mind from the father and the son – Rom 8:27
14. Distinct Self from the father and the son – John 16:13
15. Alive – John 14:17
Symbols of (3)
16. Dove - Mat 3:15
17. Wind - John 3:5
18. Fire - Acts 2:3
Sins Against (6)
19. Blasphemy - Mat 12:31
20. Resist (Unbelief) - Acts 7:51
21. Insult - Heb 10:29
22. Lied to - Acts 5:3
23. Grieved - Eph 4:30
24. Quench - 1 Thes 5:19
Power in Christ's Life (6)
25. Conceived of - Mat 1:18-20
26. Baptism - Mat 3:15
27. Led by - Luke 4:1
28. Filled with Power - Luke 4:14,18
29. Witness of Jesus - John 15:26
30. Raised Jesus - Rom 8:11
The Works of the Holy Spirit (42)
1 Access to God - Eph 2:18
2 Anoints for Service - Luke 4:18
3 Assures - Rom. 8:15-16; Gal 4:6
4 Authors Scripture - 2 Pet 1:20-21
5 Baptizes - John 1:32-34; 1 Cor 12:13-14
6 Believers Born of - John 3:3-6
7 Calls and Commissions - Acts 13:24; Acts 20:28
8 Cleanses - 2 Thes 3:13; 1 Pet. 1:2
9 Comforts - Act 9:31
10 Communion with believers – 2 Cor 13:14
11 Convicts of sin - John 16:9,14
12 Counsels - John 14:16
13 Creates - Gen 1:2; Job 33:4
14 Empowers - 1 Thes 1:5
15 Empowers Believers - Luke 24:49
16 Fellowship with believers – Phil 2:1
17 Fills - Acts 2:4; Acts 4:29-31; Acts 5:18-20; Acts 9:17 18 Forbids action - Acts 16:6
19 Gives gifts - 1 Cor. 12:8-11
20 Glorifies Christ - John 16:14
21 Guides in truth - John 16:13
22 Helps our weakness - Rom 8:26
23 Indwells believers - Rom 8:9-14; Gal 4:6
24 Inspires prayer - Eph 6:18; Jude 20
25 Intercedes -Rom 8:26
26 Interprets Scripture - 1 Cor 2:1,14; Eph 1:17
27 Leads - Rom 8:14
28 Liberates - Rom 8:2
29 Molds Character - Gal 5:22-23
30 Produces fruit - Gal 5:22-23
31 Raises from the dead - Rom 8:11
32 Regenerates - Titus 3:5
33 Reveals – Luk 2:26
34 Sanctifies - Rom. 15:16
35 Seals - Eph 1:13-14; Eph 4:30
36 Sends - Acts 13:4
37 Sent - Gal 4:6; 1 Pet 1:12
38 Strengthens - Eph 3:16; Acts 1:8; 2:4; 1 Cor 2:4 39 Testifies of Jesus - John 15:26
40 Victory over flesh - Rom. 8:2-4; Gal 4:6
41 Warns – Acts 20:23
42 Worship helper - Phi 3:3
[91] total verses​

Sources Consulted:
CARM.org
DTL.org/Trinity

Tri and unity equals three and one and from this there is three times one equals three or three plus one equals four. The dictionary defines trinity as a set of three, it also gives info about the religious usage.

I don't regard the Holy spirit as being impersonal but simply not a person; God is the person or persons of the Holy spirit.

Scholars tell us the trinity is not taught in scripture and it is in fact a teaching of men. Some people are happy with teachings of men and teachings of men is what constitutes most of Christian doctrine.

I do not know about the Greek but in Biblical Hebrew there is no neutral gender, all things are expressed as male or female, even spirits. Your quoted scriptures may impress the converted but they do not prove the doctrine.

The reason for the commandment do not make graven images of God or anything in heaven is because any attempt could only result in a lie; and what the trinity doctrine attempts to do is create an image of God with no possibility of being true or maybe one chance in infinity.

 

[Der Alte]

Tri and unity equals three and one and from this there is three times one equals three or three plus one equals four. The dictionary defines trinity as a set of three, it also gives info about the religious usage.

Fortunately outsiders don't get to dictate to Christians what words mean to us.

I don't regard the Holy spirit as being impersonal but simply not a person; God is the person or persons of the Holy spirit.

Guess you just ignored my post #180 on the previous page.

Scholars tell us the trinity is not taught in scripture and it is in fact a teaching of men. Some people are happy with teachings of men and teachings of men is what constitutes most of Christian doctrine.

Who are the so-called scholars who say that the Trinity is a teaching of men?

I do not know about the Greek but in Biblical Hebrew there is no neutral gender, all things are expressed as male or female, even spirits. Your quoted scriptures may impress the converted but they do not prove the doctrine.

Which scripture are you referring to? I don't recall saying anything about gender. If you have any comment/question about any scripture I quoted please do so, vague comments as you have posted are meaningless.

The reason for the commandment do not make graven images of God or anything in heaven is because any attempt could only result in a lie; and what the trinity doctrine attempts to do is create an image of God with no possibility of being true or maybe one chance in infinity.

The Biblical precept of the Trinity does not constitute making a graven image as defined in scripture. As I said above fortunately outsiders do not dictate to Christians what words mean.

 

[Der Alte]

. . . Num.23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
1Sam15:29.+ Ho.11:9. . . .

1 Samuel 15:29 The prophet Samuel is addressing Israel and speaking in the present tense, "God is not a man." Nothing precludes God from doing anything he wants to do any way He wants to do it at some future time.
Hosea 11:9 God speaking again in the present tense "I am God, and not man;" Again nothing precludes God from doing anything he wants to do any way He wants to do it at some future time.

 

[One Son]

1 Samuel 15:29 The prophet Samuel is addressing Israel and speaking in the present tense, "God is not a man." Nothing precludes God from doing anything he wants to do any way He wants to do it at some future time.
Hosea 11:9 God speaking again in the present tense "I am God, and not man;" Again nothing precludes God from doing anything he wants to do any way He wants to do it at some future time.

Mal.3:5. “Then I will draw near to you for judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers and against the adulterers and against those who swear falsely, and against those who oppress the wage earner in his wages, the widow and the orphan, and those who turn aside the alien and do not fear Me,” says the LORD of hosts.
6. “For I, the LORD, do not change; therefore you, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed.



Heb.6:17 In the same way God, desiring even more to show to the heirs of the promise the unchangeableness of His purpose, interposed with an oath,
18 so that by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have taken refuge would have strong encouragement to take hold of the hope set before us.


2Chron.2:6 "But who is able to build a house for Him, for the heavens and the highest heavens cannot contain Him? So who am I, that I should build a house for Him, except to burn incense before Him?


1. God cannot lie.
2. God cannot change.
3. God cannot be contained.


Col.1:15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;
16 for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto(in) him;
17 and he is before all things, and in him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

firstborn of all creation
firstborn from the dead;


Rev.22:18+19.

 

[Der Alte]

Mal.3:5. “Then I will draw near to you for judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers and against the adulterers and against those who swear falsely, and against those who oppress the wage earner in his wages, the widow and the orphan, and those who turn aside the alien and do not fear Me,” says the LORD of hosts.
6. “For I, the LORD, do not change; therefore you, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed.

Perhaps you should have read your second proof text, Heb 6:17-18 before posting this one.

Heb.6:17 In the same way God, desiring even more to show to the heirs of the promise the unchangeableness of His purpose, interposed with an oath,
18 so that by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have taken refuge would have strong encouragement to take hold of the hope set before us.

In this proof text God mentions "two unchangeable things" His purpose and His oath. Nothing in either of the two proof texts prevents God from doing anything at some future time.

2Chron.2:6 "But who is able to build a house for Him, for the heavens and the highest heavens cannot contain Him? So who am I, that I should build a house for Him, except to burn incense before Him?

Yet God spoke to Moses out of a burning bush and appeared to the Israelites in a pillar of smoke and in a pillar of smoke.

1. God cannot lie.
2. God cannot change.
3. God cannot be contained.

Begging the question no. 2 and 3 have not been proved. The Hebrew word translated "contained" means to "keep in" and of course nothing can keep God in.

Col.1:15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;
16 for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto(in) him;
17 and he is before all things, and in him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
firstborn of all creation
firstborn from the dead;
Rev.22:18+19.

More question begging. Jesus was not literally born from the dead. The title "firstborn" can be conferred on whomever a fther chooses, it does not necessarily refer to the one who was born before his siblings or even someone who was born.

Exodus 4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:​

The nation Israel was not the first and not even born but chosen.

Deut 25:6 And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of Israel.​

The second son is made firstborn when the elder dies.

1 Chronicles 26:10 Also Hosah, of the children of Merari, had sons; Simri the chief, (for though he was not the firstborn, yet his father made him the chief​

The second son made firstborn by his father.

Psalms 89:27 Also I will make him [David] my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.​

David chosen as firstborn, by God, although he was not the eldest of his brothers.

Jeremiah 31:9 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.​

Ephraim called firstborn, by God, although not the oldest son.

 

[sparow]

Guess you just ignored my post #180 on the previous page.

what do you think I replied to?

Who are the so-called scholars who say that the Trinity is a teaching of men?

Why would you want to know, if not to dispute to dispute their credibility.

Which scripture are you referring to? I don't recall saying anything about gender. If you have any comment/question about any scripture I quoted please do so, vague comments as you have posted are meaningless.

From memory I was referring to scripture in general and referring to the use of "he" when referring to spirits. I have been told that the Biblical Hebrew Language does not have neutral gender and when he or she is applied to a genderless subject chacteristics of the gender are applied.

The Biblical precept of the Trinity does not constitute making a graven image as defined in scripture. As I said above fortunately outsiders do not dictate to Christians what words mean.

There is no Biblical precept, commandment or injunction for the trinity in scripture. The ten commandments are an example of a graven image when written on stone by God or written with ink by Moses, which define God, which are worshiped; when God does it, it is ok. We followers of Christ do not dictate to Christians who have abrogated the Law and use only His name, we merely try to help.

 

[LoveofTruth]

About the only piece of scripture I could find when searching the bible that would even support the idea of the Trinity is (John 10:30) when Jesus said "I and my Father are one". But, in the same chapter a few verses later in John 10:36 Jesus says "Say yet of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said I am the Son of God?"

In other words, Jesus said "I am not claiming to be God. I am claiming to be the Son of God."

In fact, nowhere else in the bible did Jesus ever apparently claim to be God. Throughout the entire bible he claimed to be the Son of God. Also, in (Matthew 3:16-17) we learn that the Spirit of God came down from heaven and said "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

Well, if Jesus is our God Yahweh how can he be in two different places at once first of all. To claim that the baby Jesus is his son? I know, our LORD is all powerful and can do anything and to split into three would not be difficult for him. But, it just sounds fishy to me. Also, why would he claim "This is my son" and not say "He his me in human flesh" or "He is God" or say really ANYTHING that would support the Trinity?

Also, why would he in every single Bible verse where he speaks about the LORD would he call him Father if he was the same entity in a different Flesh? Why would Jesus say over and over again that the Father was greater than he was if he was God? (John 14:28)

If Jesus was God why would he be separate from God in Revelation? (Revelation 1:14-18) and the Father appears throughout Chapter 4.

It's very clear from Chapters 1-4 of Revelation that Jesus and the LORD are NOT equal. None of the 24 elders in Revelation 4:10 were worshiping Jesus they were worshiping the Father and the Father alone.

Also, if the LORD and Jesus were one why are they going to come down to the earth in two separate forms? And why would Jesus need to rule on the earth with us for 10,000 years? And then we worship the Father forevermore?

Why would Jesus state that the Father and the Father ALONE should be worshiped? (Matthew 4:10)

Why would Jesus state that nobody else on this earth is "Father" But, the LORD? (Matthew 23:9)

Also why would it say in the Bible over and over and over again that NOBODY is Equal to God? The only entity equal to the Father is, THE FATHER!

Yet, because of the belief in the Trinity so many Christians worship Jesus. It's even in almost every single worship song that exists today. An age, that's been proven over and over again to be corrupted? An age that Jesus warned us against (Matthew 7:15)

Also, why is Jesus always referred to in the bible as the Lord? And the Father is always referred to as the LORD? The two words are completely different. In other words, they're two completely different entities.

I'm not saying that Jesus never performed miracles. But, David also performed a miracle because he was blessed by God. Are we now going to claim that David is a god? We see miracles every single day! Are we all gods? The bible is very clear that we aren't. In fact, our desire to be gods in the first place, is part of what corrupted humanity in the first place (Genesis 3:5).

Who's to say that our LORD didn't bless Jesus in the same way? Just because Christ resurrected the dead doesn't automatically make him a god!

Paul also resurrected the dead! Are we going to claim that Paul is a god now too? Also, why would he say that he will be by the Lord's side in heaven after his resurrection if he was God?

Also, something that I'm having a really hard time accepting. If Jesus was God, why did he have to pray to HIMSELF asking for guidance and direction? Jesus was an EXTREMELY religous person who devoted and completely dedicated his life to the Father! He prayed to the Father constantly! If Jesus was the Father or any part of the Father why would he pray to HIMSELF asking what to do! If Jesus was God in the flesh he would have known exactly what to do and would have just did it and not prayed to himself for guidance at all!

So many things, just Biblically aren't adding up here. Not in the basic teachings of the LORD.

I'm not claiming to be right, in fact the Trinity is a large belief in Christianity. And, on these forums. I just think that, something just isn't right here. I'm sorry, it just isn't right. So many Bible verses contradict the Trinity that It's impossible for me to believe in. And I personally, will never believe in it. Not when the Bible gives so much evidence to the contrary. It seems to be the opinion of man and not the opinion of the LORD and certainly not of Jesus. Jesus always called himself the Son of God, and made that fact abundantly clear throughout the Bible.

My worship belongs to the LORD and the LORD alone. I pray to the LORD and the LORD alone. I hold Jesus in high respect but to me? Jesus is not God, is not equal to God, and in no way, shape, or form, is a god. This almost reminds me of Buddhism and many Buddhists today treating Buddha like he was a god. Buddha NEVER claimed to be a god nor did he want to be worshiped as one. Buddha spent his life looking FOR God.

1 John 5:7 is a powerful trinity verse ( and yes it should be in the King James Bible) there is historical evidence for that verse.

and the other most powerful section of scripture for the trinity is here

"
12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.

14 All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The Lord hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans.

15 I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous.

16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. [and we know that the Father sent the Son in John 6]

17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go." ( Isaiah 48:12-17)

Notice that the Lord God and His Spirit sent him. . And we read words like I, even I, have spoken; yeah I have called him:...three "I's" and we also read who is speaking, thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, the holy one of Israel.

yes there is one God in being but three persons in that one being, the father the Son and the Holy Ghost

 

[Radrook]

Some of these texts seem to be understood in that way because of the assumptions that the reader imposes on them. That is similar to how evolutionists treat any discovery they make. They already have a framework and cunningly fit evolution in in some way so that the discovery appears to support it..

 

[LoveofTruth]

Some of these texts seem to be understood in that way because of the assumptions that the reader imposes on them. That is similar to how evolutionists treat any discovery they make. They already have a framework and cunningly fit evolution in in some way so that the discovery appears to support it..

yes but not these text I posted they are self evident and very clear to the reader who can see things in the light

 

[Butch5]

Some of these texts seem to be understood in that way because of the assumptions that the reader imposes on them. That is similar to how evolutionists treat any discovery they make. They already have a framework and cunningly fit evolution in in some way so that the discovery appears to support it..

Agree! That's the way people evaluate evidence. They're called presuppositions. Everyone has presuppositions that they bring to the text. When they read certain passages they evaluate the passages according to these presuppositions.

 

[Butch5]

1 John 5:7 is a powerful trinity verse ( and yes it should be in the King James Bible) there is historical evidence for that verse.

and the other most powerful section of scripture for the trinity is here

"
12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.

14 All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The Lord hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans.

15 I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous.

16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. [and we know that the Father sent the Son in John 6]

17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go." ( Isaiah 48:12-17)

Notice that the Lord God and His Spirit sent him. . And we read words like I, even I, have spoken; yeah I have called him:...three "I's" and we also read who is speaking, thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, the holy one of Israel.

yes there is one God in being but three persons in that one being, the father the Son and the Holy Ghost

That's illogical and contrary to what the first Christians believed.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

That's illogical and contrary to what the first Christians believed.

It might indeed be logical (man's logic) as that way
many more accept it;
whether it is TRUTH, is revealed only by YHWH and the GOOD SHEPHERD MESSIAH SAVIOR Y'SHUA !

 

[Butch5]

It might indeed be logical (man's logic) as that way
many more accept it;
whether it is TRUTH, is revealed only by YHWH and the GOOD SHEPHERD MESSIAH SAVIOR Y'SHUA !

Well, God made man and man's logic. God used man's logic to communicate with him. There is nothing in the Scriptures that says that God is a being that consists of three persons. So, that means that idea came from man's logic. And that idea is illogical.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Well, God made man and man's logic. God used man's logic to communicate with him.

Not at all.
There is all through YHWH'S WORD showing man's logic is evil and does not lead to TRUTH.
YHWH communes through SPIRIT, not flesh,
HIS WAY, not man's way.

 

[Butch5]

Not at all.
There is all through YHWH'S WORD showing man's logic is evil and does not lead to TRUTH.
YHWH communes through SPIRIT, not flesh,
HIS WAY, not man's way.

You want to show some Scripture for that?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

You want to show some Scripture for that?

No.

 

[Butch5]

Not at all.
There is all through YHWH'S WORD showing man's logic is evil and does not lead to TRUTH.
YHWH communes through SPIRIT, not flesh,
HIS WAY, not man's way.

Look, there is nothing in the Scriptures that says that God is one being that consist of three persons. Since it's not stated in the Scriptures it must be that men have inferred it from the Scriptures. In order to infer it man has to use his mental faculties of logic and reason to come up with such an idea. Therefore the idea is not from God it is from men. If you agree that it is illogical by men's logic then you have no argument.

 

[Butch5]

No.

Kind of what I suspected.

 

[LoveofTruth]

That's illogical and contrary to what the first Christians believed.

You say illogical? but men by wisdom knew not God, the things of God noeth no man but the Spirit and the natural man does not even understand nor can know the things of God. Only those in the truth and in the spirit can see spiritual things

Jesus asked Peter who do men say that he is and peter said he is the Christ the Son of God and jesus said that flesh and blood did not reveal this to him but the Father. Likewise the things of God no man can know un less God reveals them. To men they will seem foolish and illogical and they will see but not see

I show clearly what the simple text says it shows the Lord God and his Spirit sending the Lord

 

[Butch5]

You say illogical? but men by wisdom knew not God, the things of God noeth no man but the Spirit and the natural man does not even understand nor can know the things of God. Only those in the truth and in the spirit can see spiritual things

Jesus asked Peter who do men say that he is and peter said he is the Christ the Son of God and jesus said that flesh and blood did not reveal this to him but the Father. Likewise the things of God no man can know un less God reveals them. To men they will seem foolish and illogical and they will see but not see

I show clearly what the simple text says it shows the Lord God and his Spirit sending the Lord

Firstly, in that passage from Corinthians Paul is not talking about the Trinity. Secondly, the natural man or someone without the Spirit isn't at issue. There is nothing in the Scriptures that says God is a being that consists of three persons. It's not in the Bible. So, saying that man doesn't understand the things of God is irrelevant since it's not God who said that God is a being that consists of three persons. It was men who said that. In particular it was men from the fifth century. People didn't hold this illogical idea until the fifth century. The apostle Paul said, there is one God, the Father.

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.1 (1 Cor. 8:5-6 KJV)

One God, the Father. This is what Christians believed as late as the 300's AD. The Nicene Creed of 325 AD. Is almost a quote verbatim of what Paul said. Here is the first line of the Nicene Creed.

"I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible."

The revised version of the Creed in 381 AD. says the same thing.

"We believe in one God, the Father, Ruler of all, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible."

It's not until we get into the 400's that we find this idea of three co-equal, co-eternal, persons as one God.

What this shows is that all of the passages that you believe make your point can be understood in a different way. I would submit, the correct way. This idea that there is a being who consists of three persons is simply illogical and not what was understood as the Christian faith in the beginning.