Day of the Lord

[rwb]

I was almost ready to press the agree button until I noticed the part about the day of the Lord meaning the entire Gospel age, that you keep insisting is fact. If you are correct about that, I'm simply not seeing it no matter how many different ways you might be trying to explain it.

The Gospel age is the Day of the Lord because the prophets of Old prophesied about the Messiah to come. Most agree Daniel's prophesy is of the Messiah who would come. And the timing of Daniel's prophesy is fulfilled with the advent of Christ. With Christ's coming and through the anointing by the Holy Spirit His earthly ministry began, that is the beginning of His Day, i.e. the Day of the Lord. The Day of the Lord did not end when Christ ascended to heaven. Pentecost proves the Day of the Lord in the last days had really only just begun, but now without Christ's physical presence. From Pentecost the Day of the Lord would be fulfilled through the power of the Holy Spirit of Christ.

Daniel 9:25-27 (KJV) Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Daniel 8:23-26 (KJV) And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.

Isaiah 9:6-7 (KJV) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

Acts 3:14-15 (KJV) But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

Malachi 4:5-6 (KJV) Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Matthew 11:13-14 (KJV) For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

The Lord's Day is foretold as the time when John-the-Baptist would come in the Spirit of Elijah before the coming of the Day of the Lord. This passage alone connects the New Covenant Gospel age to the Day of the Lord.

Zephaniah 2:3 (KJV) Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger.

Obadiah 15 (KJV) For the day of the LORD is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.
Obadiah 17 (KJV) But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions.

The prophesies of Old were sent by God to warn Israel about the wrath of God that was coming. So their prophesies focus is on the final Day of the Lord, the day of destruction from the Almighty, when Christ will return not as Savior, but as Judge. But there are glimpses strewn within the language of God's wrath, promises from God that there is always deliverance for those of faith, those whom God deems as holiness unto Him. Because the final Day of the Lord when Christ returns again with wrath will not come before His mercy and grace is extended to all men. The first Day/age/era/time of the Lord is for building His Kingdom, the last day of this day/age/era/time of the Lord will also be the Day (one) of the Lord when He comes in judgment and wrath. There won't need to be more time when the Day of the Lord comes AGAIN, because time for building the Kingdom through the Gospel and Spirit will be finished.

 

[keras]

Did you miss the part about Him destroying His enemies at that same time? It's not two different events.

There have been previous times that the Lord has destroyed enemies.
The Sixth Seal is NOT Armageddon, or the final battle, as per Revelation 20:7-10

We will all be changed to have immortal bodies on the day of the Lord when Christ returns. As can be VERY clearly seen in 2 Peter 3:10-12,

2 Peter 3:7- 12 is prophecy about the Sixth Seal Day of the Lord's fiery wrath.
2 Peter 3:13 refers to the New heavens and earth, to come after the Millennium. Our Promise, as per Revelation 21:1-7

I believe it's a mistake to interpret the 42 months literally. Why can you discern that the thousand years is not a literal thousand years, but then you insist that the 42 months is a literal 42 months? I don't believe any of the time periods given in the book of Revelation are meant to be taken literally.

In other words, you reject Revelation entirely.
God may have something to say to all who like to make His Word of no account.

 

[keras]

The Gospel age is the Day of the Lord because the prophets of Old prophesied about the Messiah to come.

They didn't know when Jesus would Return as King of Kings.
But Prophesies like Hosea 6:2 give the clue. Also confirmed by the exact time periods as given in the Bible, adding up to 3 - 2000 year tranches and then the final thousand year of the earth and mankinds, Sabbath.

 

[keras]

Listen: It is the thunder of vast forces. Isaiah 17:12

Isaiah 18:3 All the inhabitants of the world will see the signs and hear the sounds of the Lord’s rebuke. Isaiah 17:12-14

Isaiah 29:5b-6 Suddenly, in an instant, punishment will come from the Lord with a thunder of great noise, earthquakes and storm tempests of devouring fire.

Isaiah 66:6 That roar from the city, the uproar in the holy Land, it is the sound of the Lord dealing retribution to His enemies.

Jeremiah 4:23-29 At the sound of approaching disaster every town is in flight. People crawl into thickets and scramble up among the cliffs to hide. The earth is in chaos, the sky blackened, the hills are shaking and reeling and everybody disappears, even the birds and animals have gone. The whole Land is desolate, for the purpose of the Lord has been made known and He will not relent or change it.

Jeremiah 25:30-31 The Lord roars from on high, He thunders from His dwelling place, He roars loudly against His Land, against all the inhabitants of the Land. The great noise reaches to the ends of the earth, as the Lord brings His judgement against all the nations and the godless peoples will die. Isa. 33:10-12

Jeremiah 50:22 & 25 & 46 The sound of great destruction thunders in the Land. The Lord has opened His armoury and brought out the weapon of His wrath, it is His work to do against the Babylonish nations. The earth quakes and the noise is heard throughout the world.

Ancient Babylon was destroyed by Cyrus, he was the Lord’s instrument then, but this prophecy of Judgement by the Lord Himself, refers to those nations that have now adopted beliefs and practices as a type of Babylon.

Jeremiah 51:55 The advancing wave booms and roars like mighty waters, for the Lord is despoiling Babylon. [the ungodly nations] Isaiah 14:22-27, Revelation 18

2 Peter 3:7 & 10 The Day of the Lord will come unexpectedly. On that Day, the sky will disappear with a great rushing sound and flames will envelope the earth, all in it will be brought to judgement. Ref: REB. Some verses abridged and paraphrased.


‘The great noise reaches to the ends of the earth’, All peoples will hear it and be terrified. It will strike the Middle East at mid day. Zephaniah 2:4

‘the uproar from the holy Land is the sound of the Lord dealing retribution to His enemies’, destroying those who attack Israel and punishing His enemies worldwide. Psalms 94:1-7, Isaiah 66:15-17, Ezekiel 7:2-14, Micah 4:11-12, Hebrews 10:27

‘People crawl into thickets and caves to hide’, The parallel prophecy is the Sixth Seal; Revelation 6:15 and Isaiah 2:21

‘the sky will disappear with a great sound’, Also paralleled by the Sixth Seal; Revelation 6:14, Isaiah 34:4, 2 Peter 3:10

‘Sudden punishment from the Lord – thunder, earthquakes, storms of fire’, This can only be fulfilled by a Coronal Mass Ejection, ‘the weapon of His wrath’, a sunstrike that suddenly hits the earth and it will literally cause all those graphically prophesied effects. Isaiah 30:25-28 & 30, Malachi 4:1 & 3

Deuteronomy 32:34-43 & 22 The Lord has a punishment in His storehouse, awaiting the Day of vengeance, the Day My enemies make a mistake will be their doom. For fire is set ablaze by My anger, it envelopes the earth and penetrates deep underground.

 

[wonderkins]

Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.


Let's do some comparing with the following in Revelation.

Revelation 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Verse 2 obviously connects with Revelation 13, and that the 42 months meant here are meaning the 42 months recorded in Revelation 13:5. Which then tells us that until the beast is no longer reigning 42 months, we are still in the times of the Gentiles in the meantime. The question then is, what happened leading up to 70 AD and 70 AD itself, does it involve anything recorded in Revelation 13? If yes, in what way? If no, how can that not mean the times of Gentiles haven't been fulfilled yet, meaning we are still in those times?

Even though I'm Premil, and that I used to interpret some of these things differently some years back, such as, I took verse 1 to be involving a literal temple, not the 2nd temple, but a rebuilt one in the future, but no longer do once I finally realized---and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles--is meaning in an ongoing manner, but not a literal manner involving the literal city in the middle east, therefore, the times of the Gentiles has to be involving the entire NT church age where in the final days of this age it will be involving what is recorded in Revelation 13, which is involving what is recorded in Revelation 11:2, which is some of what this in Luke 21:24 is involving---and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.


If you can show, thus prove otherwise, that the times of the Gentiles have already been fulfilled, and that it is undeniable proof, I will then at least reconsider what I'm arguing, that the times of the Gentiles haven't been entirely fulfilled yet, therefore, neither has this generation passed away yet since it can't pass away until all is fulfilled first, where I take that to mean everything Jesus predicted before He even said that in Luke 21:32.

I think it would be helpful to know what you think the time of the gentiles is.

 

[parousia70]

Since the Old Covenant people in the wilderness were the Church on earth at that time, of course it makes sense for the Church of the New Covenant to understand what was written to be an example for the New Covenant Church. The Old Covenant Church is an example of unbelief we, from the New Covenant would do well to learn from them.

Ok, so your previous claim that "if it's a History Lesson, it has no value to the Church" is really something you don't actually believe. I'm happy to see you have now overcome that initial objection.

 

[parousia70]

Are you looking at the text carefully in context or just making assumptions?

Look at this carefully:

2 Peter 3:3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

Is any of this symbolic? No. There is no indication whatsoever that any of this is not literal.

Yes Look at the text Carefully. Peter says that the pre flood world consisted of heaven and earth, and that they were destroyed by water and perished.

We know that the LITERAL substance of neither heaven or earth was destroyed, but it was the evil men that were destroyed, God brought "the flood upon the world of the ungodly" (2 Peter 2:5). Peter makes a distinction between the heaven and earth of Noah's day which were destroyed, and the heaven and earth that existed then which were to be destroyed by fire. The literal visible fabric of heaven and earth were the same after the flood as they were before the flood.

What was it that really perished in the flood? Look at verse 6; "Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished." It was the world that perished, right? Now what does the word "world" mean? It is the orderly arrangement of society, it wasn't the dirt. Now how do you go from an ungodly society that was destroyed to the destruction of the entire universe? The literal earth was not destroyed. Nowhere do the Scriptures teach that the physical creation will be destroyed.

Notice what God said after the flood of Noah's day in Genesis 8:21.
Genesis 8:21, "And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done."

Now, I understand you say that the Lord destroyed the earth by water one time and He'll destroy it by fire the next time. I understand you believe God's promise here is to just change his method of destroying everything. But this passage is a message of COMFORT that God is giving to Noah. Is there comfort in being destroyed by fire instead of water? Or is he promising not to destroy the earth again?

I understand you say the former, that God's message of Comfort to Noah is "Be Comforted Noah, for Next time I'm going to burn the whole thing down"

However, This interpretation would be completely foreign to Noah, and therefore cannot be the correct interpretation. It has to mean the same thing to us as it meant to Noah.

God said the literal heaven (Psalm 148:4-6) and the literal earth (Psalm 104:5) will never pass away. Psalms 78:69, "...the earth which he hath established for ever." In Genesis 8:21, God said he would never again destroy every living thing. God can be trusted, He keeps his word.

The earth abideth for ever" (Ecclesiastes 1:4). And remember Isaiah 9:7, "Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end." If the earth is to be destroyed, then that would be the end of the increase of Christ's government.

Yahweh is depicted as having destroyed the universe when he judged Israel through Babylon (Jeremiah 4:22-30) and did so again when he judged Egypt by Babylon (Ezekiel 32:2-8).
How do you explain away those passages?

In reality, it is to call God a LIAR when one claims God will destroy this present earth in our future and replace it whith a materially different "new" one, because we see above that God promised to NEVER destroy the Literal Earth, and He also promised to "NEVER AGAIN CURSE THE GROUND, and NEVER AGAIN Smite every living thing.

Again, When we let scripture interpret itself, we can clearly see that the "elements" that melted with fervent heat of 2 Peter 3, were the "first principles of the oracles of God" of Hebrews 5:12.
They are the same.

When you interpret "elements" to mean rocks, dirt etc, and even going so amazingly far out as to interpret "stoicheion" to mean "planet earth", you are making the apostles, and therefore scripture, say something they are absolutely, irrefutably not saying at all.

Obviously, when rightly divided, the honest Bible expositor can only conclude that this stoicheia that Peter speaks of as "MELTING" in 2 Peter 3, is not about atoms, the periodic table or destruction of the universe, rather this is the elements of religious training, or the ceremonial precepts common to the worship of Jews under the Mosaic Covenant, which indeed DID burn with fervant heat along with the temple in 70AD.

No, they never taught that it was the coming of Jesus that would result in the destruction that occurred in 70 AD. You are trying to change text that refers to the Father coming in judgment to Jesus instead. Yes, Jesus is God, but He is not the Father. He is the Son. So, I'm not buying any of this that you're saying here.

John 14:9-11
9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. 11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves

Jesus IS the Stone of Matthew 21:40-45

The coming of Jesus was to be "in the glory of the Father" (Matthew 16:27) -- i.e., it was to be as Father Yahweh always came to Israel. Yahweh was famous for his cloud-comings and apocalyptic comings down to earth (see: Isaiah 19:1-2; 2 Sam 22:10-14; Deut 33:2; Isa 31:3-8; Psalm 97:2-5; Ezek 30:3; Ps 104:3; Nah 1:3; Ex 34:5; Judges 5:4-7; Jer 4:13; Zeph 1:14-15; Psalm 68:32-35; Isa 31). Therefore Christ came in AD 66-70 as Yahweh did in those passages. Christ came back in that generation (Matthew 24:33-34), and Christ's glorification had returned him to his former glory He had with Yahweh before the world ever began (John 17:5) -- so His return in AD70 came in Yahweh's power and glory, exactly as prophesied. Jesus did not fail them.

 

[claninja]

The Day of the Lord refers to the whole Gospel era

But no gospel, the book of acts, the epistles, nor revelation refer to the gospel age as the “day of the Lord”.

It is always referred to as future in the NT.

 

[rwb]

Ok, so your previous claim that "if it's a History Lesson, it has no value to the Church" is really something you don't actually believe. I'm happy to see you have now overcome that initial objection.

Either you're just being difficult or perhaps you simply did not understand, so I'll quote again for you exactly what I said, "The Discourse and the Revelation would be of no value at all to the Church on earth if Christ is only giving us a history lesson of an ethnic nation."

 

[rwb]

But no gospel, the book of acts, the epistles, nor revelation refer to the gospel age as the “day of the Lord”.

It is always referred to as future in the NT.

Yes, the Day of the Lord is always referred to as a future event in both the Old and New Testaments. The Day of the Lord the prophets of Old looked for was fulfilled when the promised Messiah came, and the Day of the Lord the New Testament Apostles looked for will come when the seventh trumpet begins to sound that time shall be no more.

 

[rwb]

They didn't know when Jesus would Return as King of Kings.
But Prophesies like Hosea 6:2 give the clue. Also confirmed by the exact time periods as given in the Bible, adding up to 3 - 2000 year tranches and then the final thousand year of the earth and mankinds, Sabbath.

No one from the Old Covenant or the New Covenant knows when Christ will return.

The prophets of Old foretell again and again that Messiah would come, and on that Day of the Lord when prophesy of His coming would finally be realized the prophets repeatedly warned the rebellious stiff-necked nation that if they did not repent and believe that Day of the Lord that would come would not be a happy time of celebration for them. Again, and again the prophets warn that when Messiah comes in His Day only those of faith will be blessed, the rest would be punished, and would never have eternal life through Him.

Hosea 6:2 (KJV) After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

I believe this verse from Hosea is a depiction of how the Messiah would come to give His life for the faithful but rise again the third day to take the Old Covenant faithful saints from the grave to be with Him in heaven.

Luke 16:22 (KJV) And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

Ephesians 4:8-10 (KJV) Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

When Christ died by His Spirit He returned to the Father. That's why Christ can promise the thief on the cross beside Him that on the day he died he too would be with Christ in spirit in heaven. Because the spirit in man returns to God in death.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 (KJV) Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Luke 23:46 (KJV) And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Luke 23:43 (KJV) And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Revelation 2:7 (KJV) He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

2 Corinthians 12:2-4 (KJV) I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

 

[parousia70]

Either you're just being difficult or perhaps you simply did not understand, so I'll quote again for you exactly what I said, "The Discourse and the Revelation would be of no value at all to the Church on earth if Christ is only giving us a history lesson of an ethnic nation."

Yes, youve stated this claim multiple times now but you haven't backed it up with any evidence that it is true, and in fact have demostrated that you don't adhear to the principle yourself in any sort of consistent way.

 

[parousia70]

Yes, the Day of the Lord is always referred to as a future event in both the Old and New Testaments.

Not true.
The desolation of Jerusalem by the Babylonians was a past "Day of the Lord." After it happened, the prophet Jeremiah tells us:

Lamentations 1:12
behold, and see if there be any sorrow like unto my sorrow, which is done unto me, wherewith the LORD hath afflicted me in the day of his fierce anger.

Lamentations 2:1
How hath the Lord covered the daughter of Zion with a cloud in his anger, and cast down from heaven unto the earth the beauty of Israel, and remembered not his footstool in the day of his anger

Lamentations 2:21
The young and the old lie on the ground in the streets: my virgins and my young men are fallen by the sword; thou hast slain them in the day of thine anger; thou hast killed, and not pitied.

Lamentations 2:22
Thou hast called as in a solemn day my terrors round about, so that in the day of the LORD'S anger none escaped nor remained

 

[claninja]

Yes, the Day of the Lord is always referred to as a future event in both the Old and New Testaments. The Day of the Lord the prophets of Old looked for was fulfilled when the promised Messiah came, and the Day of the Lord the New Testament Apostles looked for will come when the seventh trumpet begins to sound that time shall be no more.

as @parousia70 nicely pointed out, there were “days of the Lord” in the past. The term “day of the Lord” is, in the OT, often associated with God intervening in and judging the affairs of men, by means of national destruction, and the falling of kingdoms. This is also often depicted in hyperbolic, world ending language.

so again, why didn’t the apostles state they were in the day of the Lord, if it represents the whole gospel age? Why is every instance of the day of the Lord, as found in the NT, future, and not present? You simply saying the gospel age = day of the Lord doesn’t make it so. You have yet to provide any NT support of your position.

 

[rwb]

Not true.
The desolation of Jerusalem by the Babylonians was a past "Day of the Lord." After it happened, the prophet Jeremiah tells us:

Lamentations 1:12
behold, and see if there be any sorrow like unto my sorrow, which is done unto me, wherewith the LORD hath afflicted me in the day of his fierce anger.

Lamentations 2:1
How hath the Lord covered the daughter of Zion with a cloud in his anger, and cast down from heaven unto the earth the beauty of Israel, and remembered not his footstool in the day of his anger

Lamentations 2:21
The young and the old lie on the ground in the streets: my virgins and my young men are fallen by the sword; thou hast slain them in the day of thine anger; thou hast killed, and not pitied.

Lamentations 2:22
Thou hast called as in a solemn day my terrors round about, so that in the day of the LORD'S anger none escaped nor remained

This shows such confusion about understanding of the Day of the Lord when Messiah shall come to destroy all the enemies and usher in the New Covenant Gospel age. These are not prophetic words of future events from Jeremiah. He is called the weeping prophet because he witnessed the utter destruction of the nation and destruction of the first Temple. Jeremiah is pouring out his heart in Lamentations for the utter destruction of the people, city and Temple he deeply loved. Speaking words of the day of the Lord's anger is not prophesy for the coming Day of the Lord of the promised Messiah who would come to redeem the faithful remnant and give eternal life to them and destroy all evil and wickedness upon the whole earth.

 

[parousia70]

These are not prophetic words of future events from Jeremiah. He is called the weeping prophet because he witnessed the utter destruction of the nation and destruction of the first Temple. Jeremiah is pouring out his heart in Lamentations for the utter destruction of the people, city and Temple he deeply loved.

This EXACTLY OPPOSITE of what you said in the post I was quoting.

You said that in the OT the Day of the Lord is ALWAYS spoken of as a future event.

the Lamentations passages, as you now agree, prove that assertion to be WRONG.

I'm glad it appears you have corrected your views to fit the scriptures.

 

[keras]

No one from the Old Covenant or the New Covenant knows when Christ will return.

I don't know either, but I can discern the season. The world is the same as it was in the days of Noah.

I believe this verse from Hosea 6:2, is a depiction of how the Messiah would come to give His life for the faithful but rise again the third day to take the Old Covenant faithful saints from the grave to be with Him in heaven.

That can be one explanation, But the 2 days when He will revive us doesn't relate to when He was in the tomb.
Those 2 'days', have been the 2000 years of the Church age. Next to come will be the 'day', when we will live in His Presence. The Millennium reign of King Jesus.

Making Prophesies fit a preconceived agenda is not wise.

 

[DavidPT]

This EXACTLY OPPOSITE of what you said in the post I was quoting.

You said that in the OT the Day of the Lord is ALWAYS spoken of as a future event.

the Lamentations passages, as you now agree, prove that assertion to be WRONG.

I'm glad it appears you have corrected your views to fit the scriptures.

Per the prophets pov at the time, they all would have been future events, even if some of those events happened a week later, or whatever. They would still be future events since prophets typically prophesy about future events, not past events.

 

[rwb]

as @parousia70 nicely pointed out, there were “days of the Lord” in the past. The term “day of the Lord” is, in the OT, often associated with God intervening in and judging the affairs of men, by means of national destruction, and the falling of kingdoms. This is also often depicted in hyperbolic, world ending language.

so again, why didn’t the apostles state they were in the day of the Lord, if it represents the whole gospel age? Why is every instance of the day of the Lord, as found in the NT, future, and not present? You simply saying the gospel age = day of the Lord doesn’t make it so. You have yet to provide any NT support of your position.

Past judgment days where God poured out His wrath upon disobedient, apostate nations is not prophesy of the coming Day of the Lord. When the prophets write of the Day of the Lord it is always a future coming of events, not past events that speak of the wrath of the Lord coming to the nations just as God promised they would.

Lamentations 2:22 (KJV) Thou hast called as in a solemn day my terrors round about, so that in the day of the LORD'S anger none escaped nor remained: those that I have swaddled and brought up hath mine enemy consumed.

In Lamentations the day of the LORD'S anger speaks in the past tense.

But when prophesy pertains to the coming of Christ the Messiah, throughout the Bible the Prophets speak of the day of the LORD as coming, or near, and both great and terrible both to save and to punish.

Isa 2:12 For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:
Isa 13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
Isa 34:8 For it is the day of the LORD'S vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.
Jer 46:10 For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates.
Eze 13:5 Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD.
Eze 30:3 For the day is near, even the day of the LORD is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen.
Joe 1:15 Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.
Joe 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
Joe 2:11 And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?
Joe 3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
Am 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.
Am 5:20 Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?
Ob 15 For the day of the LORD is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.
Zep 1:7 Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord GOD: for the day of the LORD is at hand: for the LORD hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests.
Zep 1:8 And it shall come to pass in the day of the LORD'S sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.
Zep 1:14 The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.
Zep 1:18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD'S wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.
Zep 2:2 Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you.
Zep 2:3 Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger.
Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

These Old Covenant Prophets are pointing to the same time as Daniel's prophesy of when Messiah the Prince shall come. We find the same example of the Day of the Lord coming in the New Testament books.

 

[rwb]

This EXACTLY OPPOSITE of what you said in the post I was quoting.

You said that in the OT the Day of the Lord is ALWAYS spoken of as a future event.

the Lamentations passages, as you now agree, prove that assertion to be WRONG.

I'm glad it appears you have corrected your views to fit the scriptures.

Jeremiah is not speaking of the Day of the Lord coming. He is describing the day the LORD came in wrath. BIG DIFFERENCE!