Day of the Lord

[keras]

I posted this on the Controversial Forum. But it is plainly stated scripture, tied to a well known cosmic phenomenon, that our sun does occasionally.
We should all know about this forthcoming event and be ready to take cover until it passes. Isaiah 26:20-21

Joel 1:15 The day is near, the Day of the Lord: it comes as a mighty destruction from Almighty God.

Joel 2:1-5 Blow the trumpet in Israel, sound the alarm in Jerusalem. Let all who live in the Land tremble, for the day of the Lord is coming – it is close at hand. A Day of darkness and clouds. Like [at] the dawn, an innumerable host comes across the land, such as never was and will never be again. A fire goes before them, leaving wasteland behind. With a great noise they leap mountains and consume everything to stubble.

Joel 2:6-11 At the sight of them, all the nations are in anguish. They march in line, none swerving against any defence. They rush upon cities and enter houses through the windows. The earth quakes and the sky is darkened. The Lord thunders at the head of His army, beyond number are those who obey His command. The Day of the Lord is great and dreadful, who can endure it?

Joel 1:6-12 & 19-20 this invading host destroys trees and crops. Fire has burnt the pastures and trees. All the streams have dried up.

The Day of the Lord, as described by Joel is not Armageddon, at the Return of Jesus or at the Great White Throne judgement. It is plainly an event before then, also prophesied in Isaiah 2:12-21, Revelation 6:12-17, Ezekiel 7:2-9: + over other 100 times.

Joel uses the metaphor of an army to describe how this destruction moves across the earth as it rotates- ‘with the dawn’. As nations turn to face the sun, the effects of a Coronal Mass Ejection- sunstrike will hit them. Initially, it will strike the earth as a light flash [Isaiah 30:26a] within 8 minutes, then the highly charged cosmic particles arrive about 24 hours later, causing immense destruction and deaths. Fires and volcanic eruptions will result in smoke and ash clouds, covering the sky. Isaiah 29:5-6, Psalms 18:7-15, Jeremiah 4:23-28

It will be an event ‘such has never been and will never be again; NOT caused by man.


Judah [the current State of Israel] will be badly affected- Hosea 8:14, Ezekiel 20:45-48, Isaiah 4:3-4, Zephaniah 1:1-18
And the Lord’s enemies: Isaiah 22:5-14, Psalms 83:1-18, Isaiah 63:1-6, Jeremiah 12:14

Deuteronomy 32:34-43 says how He will act when His enemies ‘foot will slip”. That is they make a mistake. That mistake will be their instigating an attack against Israel.


Malachi 4:1-3 Surely the day of the Lord is coming, it will burn like a furnace. All the evildoers will be as stubble, they will be burned up. They will be ashes under your feet. But for you, who revere My Name, righteousness will rise with healing in its wings. You will rejoice and prevail over the wicked on the Day that I act against them.

THEN the many prophecies that describe the migration of all true believers into the Promised Land will come to pass. This great exodus of His faithful Christian people will fulfil the promises that God made to the Patriarchs and they will, at last be a people that will be a ‘light to the nations’. They will prepare themselves and the world for the Return of Jesus. Ezekiel 35:11-30, Ezekiel 36:8-12, Deuteronomy 30:1-10, Zechariah 10:6-12, Isaiah 46:27-28, Ezekiel 39:25-29, Zephaniah 10:6-12

That Jesus is not yet present at this time, is clear from the many verses saying: ‘You will know that I am the Lord, when... And how it ‘will be as in the days of Egypt’.
Ezekiel 14:6-11, Ezekiel 39:22, Joel 2:27, Isaiah 41:20.
Reference: REB, NIV. Some verses abridged

 

[littleangelone]

thank you for shareing this, very insightful

 

[BillCody]

and wrong. It's obvious he doesn't have a clue what he talking about. To get so many things wrong about prophecy. He quotes a lot of scripture but doesn't understand what he writing about. He's just misleading people, mostly the people new to the Faith. So sad

 

[DavidPT]

It's obvious he does have a clue what he talking about.

Unless you meant to say this instead---It's obvious he does NOT have a clue what he talking about---what you said above contradicts everything else you said in that post.

 

[Douggg]

Unless you meant to say this instead---It's obvious he does NOT have a clue what he talking about---what you said above contradicts everything else you said in that post.

Bill made a typo. I am sure that he meant to include the "not".

 

[BillCody]

I fixed it thank you

 

[BillCody]

I mean we all have our opinions about bible prophecy. And I will agree to disagree about how we interpret it. But to distort the Word of God to fit our theories the way keras does, is error. And needs to be called out as such.

 

[keras]

Any comments or objections need to address the scriptures, not the poster/ messenger.

Zephaniah 1:14-18 The great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath 1 is near, very near and coming quickly. Listen for the sound of that Day 2. When it comes, even the warriors will panic and be terrified.
That Day will be a day of great fury, a day of distress and torment, a day of destruction and devastation, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick blackness, a day of the shofar battle call against fortifications and upon all military strength 3.
Because the people have sinned against the Lord, He will bring a shocking disaster to all those who live in the holy Land. Their blood will be poured out like dust and their entrails like dung. Their strength and riches will not save them on the Day of the Lord’s fiery wrath, the whole Land will be burnt and devastated. For He will make an end, a horrible end of all who live in the holy Land 4.


Isaiah 13:9-13 Here comes the Day of the Lord’s wrath; a Day full of fury and the outpoured wrath of the Lord. The whole earth will be devastated 5 and the ungodly people will be destroyed.

On that Day, you will not have any light from the sun, the moon or the stars 6. The sky will tremble and shudder and the earth will be shaken from is place 7.
On that Day, humans will become scarce, they will be as rare as fine gold, after the Day of the Lord’s blazing anger 8.

Isaiah 24:1-13 Be warned, the Lord is about to strip the earth, ruin and devastate it. All the world’s inhabitants, without exception, will be severely affected 9. For the Lord has spoked this Word: The whole world is defiled by its peoples, they have changed the Laws, ignored the Statutes and broken the everlasting Covenant.

Therefore My curse will consume the earth and its inhabitants will suffer punishment. They are burned up and very few are left 10. There will no longer be revelry and partying, the sounds of music and song will cease.
The cities and towns will be in chaos 11, every house locked and the people gone. They will be deserted, with all the roads and bridges destroyed. It will be like that throughout the world, in all the nations, just like an olive tree, beaten and stripped after the harvest.
Ref: NIV, KJV, CJB, REB. Some verses condensed.


1/ This Great Day is the Lord’s Judgement/Punishment of the nations. Habakkuk 3:12 Nothing like what is prophesied above has happen to the world since Noah’s Flood.
Now, as 2 Peter 3:7 says: The earth is reserved for burning…. We are told that God will bring out of His storehouse… Deuteronomy 32:22 & 34-35, the sun: Isaiah 30:26, by a massive explosion, that will cause all the vividly described effects. It will affect every nation on earth, as it revolves; just for the daylight hours.
This worldwide disaster will be triggered by an attack onto Israel by her enemies. Haggai 2:6, Isaiah 63:1-6, Psalms 83:1-18, Romans 1:18, Revelation 6:12-17

2/ The great sound will be heard around the world. Jeremiah 25:30-31, Jeremiah 51:54-55, Isaiah 29:6, Joel 2:1

3/ All the kinds of military powers will be destroyed, especially the nuclear weapons neutralized. Jeremiah 49:35, Jeremiah 50:22-27, Hosea 2:18, Amos 5:9, Micah 5:10-11, Isaiah 32:14, Hosea 8:14

4/ All of the holy Land will be devastated and depopulated: Jeremiah 12:14, Jeremiah 10:18, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Ezekiel 21:1-7, Micah 1:6, Hosea 4:3, Isaiah 6:11-12

5/ The whole world will be severely affected: Zephaniah 3:8, Isaiah 66:15-16, Malachi 4:3, Nahum 1:5, Jeremiah 25:32

6/ There will be no natural light, caused by the electrically induced atmospheric changes and smoke from the fires and volcanoes. Isaiah 47:3, Amos 5:20, Joel 2:2, Jeremiah 4:23, Isaiah 34:4, Revelation 6:13…the sky rolled up like a scroll…..

7/ The earth will be pushed along its orbital track, bringing us back to a 360 day year. Isaiah 13:13, Haggai 2:21-22, Joel 2:10, Psalms 18:7

8/ Possibly up to 2/3 of the world’s population will die. Evil peoples will be destroyed. This Judgement by fire will be God’s second reset of human civilization and similar in magnitude to the Flood. Isaiah 26:21, Isaiah 51:6, Isaiah 30:30, Jeremiah 9:21-22, Ezekiel 21:21, Revelation 14:17-20

9/ Everybody alive then, will experience this terrible time, it will fall upon all and test the worth of each person. 1 Corinthians 3:13, Luke 21:35, John 17:15, Revelation 3:19, Psalms 118:17-18, 1 Peter 4:12

10/ The Middle East region will be the most affected by the direct hit of this CME, but many will die around the world from the resultant earthquakes, storms and tsunamis. Isaiah 33:10-13, Isaiah 63:1-6, Psalms 37:20, Amos 5:8, Nahum 1:8

11/ After this worldwide disaster that will destroy our modern infrastructure, to restore law and order, the survivors will establish a One World Government. There will be ten regions, each ruled by a President. Daniel 11:21-24, Revelation 17:12. But the new nation, in all of the holy Land, called Beulah, will not be a part of the OWG. Isaiah 62:1-5, Ezekiel 39:25-29, Ezekiel chapters 40-48, Zechariah 8:1-13


Isaiah 24:14-16 & 23 The Lord’s people lift their voices, they shout for joy. His righteous people in the West, in the East and on the islands of the sea: all giving honour to the God of Israel. From the ends of the earth, we hear them singing: Glory to God, our Saviour and Redeemer.

Zechariah 8:4-6 The Lord says: I am about to rescue My people and bring them back to live in the holy Land. Once again old men and women will sit in the streets of Jerusalem and the place will be full if children at play. Even if this seems impossible to those who remain in those days, will it be impossible for Me?

Revelation 7:9-10 I saw a vast throng, [in Jerusalem] too many to count; people from all races, every tribe, nation and language, standing before the throne of the Lamb. They were robed in white and had palm branches in their hands. They shouted: Victory to our God and to the Lamb who sits on the throne!

Note that Jesus will be revealed to His own before His Return. 2 Thess. 1:10, Rev 14:1

All those people who are faithful to God and accept the atoning sacrifice of Jesus, are ‘accounted worthy’. Colossians 1:10-12, 2 Peter 3:14 They are all deemed to be Israelites, whether by descent or by grafting in. Galatians 3:26-29
They will be protected during the forthcoming Day of the Lord’s wrath, Joel 3:32, Isaiah 43:2, and the Lord will provide ways of transportation for them. Psalms 68:17, Psalms 107:1-32, Isaiah 66:20 They will gather and settle into all of the holy Land. Isaiah 49:8-23, Zechariah 10:8-10, Jeremiah 31:8-9 The Lord will give them new names: Isaiah 62:1-5 and a new language: Zephaniah 3:9

 

[BillCody]

Here if you want to read an excellent commentary about The Book of Revelation try this one. Revealing Revelation: How God's Plans for the Future Can Change Your Life Now by Amir Tsarfati. Excellent book. I highly recommend it.

 

[rwb]

It seems so many people have a hard time understanding the Day of the Lord because they forget the Old Testament Prophets foretell of the coming Day of the Lord, and the New Covenant Apostles tell of the last Day of the Lord that will come when Christ returns on the last day of this age we have been living in since the first advent of Christ. It would make no sense for the Old Covenant Prophets to foretell of a second coming of Messiah, since they had not lived to see His first coming. In the same way it would make no sense for the New Covenant Apostles to foretell of Christ' coming because they had already witnessed His coming. So, the New Covenant speaks of His coming AGAIN, while the Old Covenant prophets simply tell of the coming of the Messiah, the Day of the Lord when He will redeem them from sin and give eternal life to those who believe.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Peter made it very clear as to what will happen on the day of the Lord and he indicated that it will occur on the day of Christ's second coming.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

Peter made it very clear that the day of the Lord will result in the destruction of "everything" (verse 11). The heavens, the elements and the earth will all be burned up. That is very clear. He also indicated that the day of the Lord will occur in conjunction with the Lord "keeping with his promise". What promise? The promise of His second coming (2 Peter 3:4). Peter indicated that the result of Him keeping His promise will be "a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells".

Any interpretation of Old Testament prophecies that doesn't agree with what Peter plainly stated in 2 Peter 3:10-13 should be disregarded. Note that I'm not saying the prophecies themselves should be disregarded, but any interpretations that contradict what Peter very plainly and straightforwardly taught in 2 Peter 3:10-13. It agrees with what Paul taught in 1 Thess 5:2-3 which is that there will be sudden, unexpected destruction that will come on the day of the Lord from which, in the case of unbelievers, "they will not escape". That's talking about God's wrath that will come down on the day Christ returns, which Paul also wrote about here:

2 Thess 1:6 God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you 7 and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. 8 He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might 10 on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you.

Jesus will be "revealed from heaven in blazing fire" when He returns. He is coming to punish (take vengeance on) "those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus". As Paul indicated in 1 Thess 5:2-3, "they will not escape". And based on Peter's description of that destruction, it's very clear that they will have no chance of escape on that day.

 

[rwb]

Jesus will be "revealed from heaven in blazing fire" when He returns. He is coming to punish (take vengeance) on "those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus". As Paul indicated in 1 Thess 5:2-3, "they will not escape". And based on Peter's description of that destruction, it's very clear that they will have no chance of escape on that day.

Exactly! The prophets of old foretell of the Day of the Lord coming both as Savior and Judge. But they don't make a distinction between the Day of the Lord coming as Savior in time, this age, then coming again on the last day of this age after the Gospel has been preached unto all the nations of the earth and the Kingdom of God in heaven complete. The New Covenant Apostles make this distinction for us, by speaking of the last day of the Day of the Lord when Christ shall come again with fiery wrath as Judge.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Exactly! The prophets of old foretell of the Day of the Lord coming both as Savior and Judge. But they don't make a distinction between the Day of the Lord coming as Savior in time, this age, then coming again on the last day of this age after the Gospel has been preached unto all the nations of the earth and the Kingdom of God in heaven complete. The New Covenant Apostles make this distinction for us, by speaking of the last day of the Day of the Lord when Christ shall come again with fiery wrath as Judge.

Yes, it seems that the New Testament authors never define the day of the Lord as anything but the day Christ returns in the future. If you look at passages like 1 Thess 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12, they make it very clear that they saw the day of the Lord as being a future event that would bring complete global destruction. The idea of "the day of the Lord" being a long time period (such as a thousand years) that occurs after Christ returns is not remotely taught anywhere in the New Testament (or in the Old Testament for that matter).

 

[parousia70]

If you look at passages like 1 Thess 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12, they make it very clear that they saw the day of the Lord as being a future event that would bring complete global destruction.

The fact that in every PAST Day of the Lord event, the OT prophets also used the same language indicating they would be events that would bring complete, global, even universal, destruction, is what prevents me from taking the NT passages you cite to mean anything different.

 

[rwb]

The fact that in every PAST Day of the Lord event, the OT prophets also used the same language indicating they would be events that would bring complete, global, even universal, destruction, is what prevents me from taking the NT passages you cite to mean anything different.

This is true Parousia, however they foretell all will come to pass in the Day of the Lord or the Gospel age, symbolized a thousand years. Their prophesy describes this whole Gospel age as the Day of the Lord coming. They never imagined the Day of the Lord would encompass the Lord returning, they foretell His coming Day as never ending. They never envisioned nor did they foretell the Day of the Lord would come AGAIN as the New Testament foretells. This could only be understood after the advent of Christ' coming to earth.

 

[DavidPT]

The idea of "the day of the Lord" being a long time period (such as a thousand years) that occurs after Christ returns is not remotely taught anywhere in the New Testament (or in the Old Testament for that matter).

While I fully agree with this myself, how is this any different than what rwb is doing? He too has it being a long period of time, but not a literal thousand years, but 2000 years, maybe even more, depending on when Christ returns. Which then puzzles me as to why he agreed with your post when you stated the above? I don't care if he agrees with you. I won't be losing sleep over it or anything, it's that it puzzles me as to why since he is doing the same thing himself, but in a different way. IOW, how can he fault these Premils in question for doing the same thing he is doing, equating the day of the Lord with that of the thousand years?

What we basically have is this.

An Amil likens the day of the Lord with that of the thousand years, meaning the entire NT church age.

Some Premils also liken the day of the Lord with that of the thousand years, but after the 2nd coming rather than the NT church age.

IMO, both views are wrong in this particular case.

 

[wonderkins]

I posted this on the Controversial Forum. But it is plainly stated scripture, tied to a well known cosmic phenomenon, that our sun does occasionally.
We should all know about this forthcoming event and be ready to take cover until it passes. Isaiah 26:20-21

Joel 1:15 The day is near, the Day of the Lord: it comes as a mighty destruction from Almighty God.

Joel 2:1-5 Blow the trumpet in Israel, sound the alarm in Jerusalem. Let all who live in the Land tremble, for the day of the Lord is coming – it is close at hand. A Day of darkness and clouds. Like [at] the dawn, an innumerable host comes across the land, such as never was and will never be again. A fire goes before them, leaving wasteland behind. With a great noise they leap mountains and consume everything to stubble.

Joel 2:6-11 At the sight of them, all the nations are in anguish. They march in line, none swerving against any defence. They rush upon cities and enter houses through the windows. The earth quakes and the sky is darkened. The Lord thunders at the head of His army, beyond number are those who obey His command. The Day of the Lord is great and dreadful, who can endure it?

Joel 1:6-12 & 19-20 this invading host destroys trees and crops. Fire has burnt the pastures and trees. All the streams have dried up.

The Day of the Lord, as described by Joel is not Armageddon, at the Return of Jesus or at the Great White Throne judgement. It is plainly an event before then, also prophesied in Isaiah 2:12-21, Revelation 6:12-17, Ezekiel 7:2-9: + over other 100 times.

Joel uses the metaphor of an army to describe how this destruction moves across the earth as it rotates- ‘with the dawn’. As nations turn to face the sun, the effects of a Coronal Mass Ejection- sunstrike will hit them. Initially, it will strike the earth as a light flash [Isaiah 30:26a] within 8 minutes, then the highly charged cosmic particles arrive about 24 hours later, causing immense destruction and deaths. Fires and volcanic eruptions will result in smoke and ash clouds, covering the sky. Isaiah 29:5-6, Psalms 18:7-15, Jeremiah 4:23-28

It will be an event ‘such has never been and will never be again; NOT caused by man.


Judah [the current State of Israel] will be badly affected- Hosea 8:14, Ezekiel 20:45-48, Isaiah 4:3-4, Zephaniah 1:1-18
And the Lord’s enemies: Isaiah 22:5-14, Psalms 83:1-18, Isaiah 63:1-6, Jeremiah 12:14

Deuteronomy 32:34-43 says how He will act when His enemies ‘foot will slip”. That is they make a mistake. That mistake will be their instigating an attack against Israel.


Malachi 4:1-3 Surely the day of the Lord is coming, it will burn like a furnace. All the evildoers will be as stubble, they will be burned up. They will be ashes under your feet. But for you, who revere My Name, righteousness will rise with healing in its wings. You will rejoice and prevail over the wicked on the Day that I act against them.

THEN the many prophecies that describe the migration of all true believers into the Promised Land will come to pass. This great exodus of His faithful Christian people will fulfil the promises that God made to the Patriarchs and they will, at last be a people that will be a ‘light to the nations’. They will prepare themselves and the world for the Return of Jesus. Ezekiel 35:11-30, Ezekiel 36:8-12, Deuteronomy 30:1-10, Zechariah 10:6-12, Isaiah 46:27-28, Ezekiel 39:25-29, Zephaniah 10:6-12

That Jesus is not yet present at this time, is clear from the many verses saying: ‘You will know that I am the Lord, when... And how it ‘will be as in the days of Egypt’.
Ezekiel 14:6-11, Ezekiel 39:22, Joel 2:27, Isaiah 41:20.
Reference: REB, NIV. Some verses abridged

Are the events in Joel chronological? Does Joel 2:28-32 fit in to all this?

 

[keras]

Are the events in Joel chronological? Does Joel 2:28-32 fit in to all this?

Joel 2:28-29 refers to the people of God after the terrible Day of cosmic events and earthly disasters.
The Lord will pour His Spirit upon those people who have stood firm in their faith during that day. As Joel 2:32 confirms.
Ezekiel 34:11-31...I will gather My people from wherever they were on that Day of distress and darkness..... I will give them good leaders..... and I will make the new Covenant with them.
They will know that I am the Lord their God.... and they are My flock, the flock that I feed and that I am your God.
Not by His Presence as yet, by His deeds of the amazing provision of bountiful crops and of good health and wealth. Amos 9:13-15, Zechariah 9:16-17

 

[wonderkins]

Joel 2:28-29 refers to the people of God after the terrible Day of cosmic events and earthly disasters.
The Lord will pour His Spirit upon those people who have stood firm in their faith during that day. As Joel 2:32 confirms.
Ezekiel 34:11-31...I will gather My people from wherever they were on that Day of distress and darkness..... I will give them good leaders..... and I will make the new Covenant with them.
They will know that I am the Lord their God.... and they are My flock, the flock that I feed and that I am your God.
Not by His Presence as yet, by His deeds of the amazing provision of bountiful crips and of good health and wealth. Amos 9:13-15

Peter shows in Acts 2 that Joel 2:28-32 is fulfilled at that time. How would you respond to that?

 

[keras]

it seems that the New Testament authors never define the day of the Lord as anything but the day Christ returns in the future

Rubbish.
Revelation 6:12-17 and Revelation 19:11:21 are two different events, several years apart.
The great and terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath and then after all the Prophesied things between, the glorious Return, where Jesus only kills the armies of the 'beast', and then imprisons Satan.
There is plenty of mention of the forthcoming Sixth Seal worldwide disaster; Luke 21:25-26 and then, that is some time after that disaster: Jesus will Return. Luke 21:27

Luke 21:28 exhorts us to stand firm thru it all, trusting in the Lord's protection and eventual Redemption.