Day of the Lord

[Bladerunner]

Bladerunner is correct; the AoD happens at the mid point of the last seven years. It is that which causes the daily sacrifice to cease.

I see the 1260 days from that as the time of the Great Tribulation, of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls, culminating with Armageddon and the Return of Jesus.

The 1290 days; the extra 30 may be the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, then the 1335 days, is 75 days until the temple is cleansed and re-dedicated.

This fits with the Return being the Mo'ed of Tabernacles and the Temple restored at Chanukah, Kislev 35; the same day as it was after the A4E desecration.

Good morning keras: in chapters 10-15 there is a "pause" showing what is/has happened in this time period. In Rev 11:15, we find the 7th trumpet has sounded. The 7th trumpet opens the 1st Bowl which we do not see until chapter 15.

During the time of; Rev 11:15 to Rev 16 these things happen. (There are more events than what is described in this post.)

In chapter 12, the woman seen in the stars (on Rosh Hashanna in 2017..) will be the remnant of Israel-those who have come to believe in Jesus Christ and have seen the AoD by the antichrist (Man) happen.

There is very good possibility that this is where He (antichrist) gets mortally wounded.

At around the same time or maybe a little earlier, we see Michael, the Arch Angel throwing Satan and His 1/3 of the Angels out of Heaven.

After which Satan chases and tries to destroy Israel (the woman in the stars) fleeing the Mountains (Petra) as prophesied.

NOTE: We have seen this play out before in the Exodus of Moses and the Hebrew Nation. Yes, they were chased and the army of Egypt died by a flood of water???? It so happens that Satan tries to kill the fleeing Israel with a flood of water that is swallowed up by the earth. God protects and feeds them "a time, and times, and half a time" (1260) days from this point.

This event and chapter tells us the last 3.5 years , 1260 days, 42 months of Daniel's 70th week has begun.

Chapter 13 finds John seeing Satan standing on the beach. He is watching the BEAST rise from the sea and the earth. This is most likely alluding to Satan taking over The body of the mortally wounded antichrist. Here is a resurrection ( mimicking the resurrection of Jesus Christ). We see the False Prophet(most likely the Roman Catholic Church leader)arise from the earth.

Note:We also see that Satan/antichrist have been given the power over the (tribulation)saints; those that will die in the name of Jesus Christ. During this time, those Jews would did not flee to Petra will be destroyed. we see this also in Isa 28:16-19.

Rev. Chapter 14 finds Jesus Standing on Mt. Zion with the 144,000 Jewish ministers. He has lost none and all 144,000 are redeemed to heaven.

NOTE: I feel the events of this chapter, happened shortly after chapter 11:15 and prior to chapter 12. WHY?,. Chapter 7 from what I can get from it is prior to Chapter 6 and the opening of the seals. If so, Chapter 14 is simply following a pattern.

In Chapter 14, we also find the "Everlasting Gospel" being shouted by an ANGEL. WHAT is the Gospel? It is told to us in: Rev. 14:7.."Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters."

During this time Babylon falls quickly ("is fallen, is fallen"), a third angel declaring Hell for anyone taking the mark of the beast, we see the wrath of GOD prior to the Bowls by sickle.

After this I feel there are no more believers on earth. As Rev 14:13.. "........Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them." This is just prior to the beginning of the bowls

Afterward a third angel declaring Hell for anyone taking the mark of the beast, we see the wrath of GOD prior to the Bowls by sickle.

Chapter 15 is a short chapter detailing the arrangements in Heaven referring to the Bowls of Wrath.

Chapter 16 of course brings on the 1st Bowl of Wrath.

There is another pause although only two verses..Rev 16:15-16. This where Jesus is gathering all the armies of the world to Armageddon.

Of course the whole thread quotes Daniel 12:12.."And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days."

and of course

Daniel 12:13.."Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days."

As you stated there are many events that Jesus was alluding to when He spoke these scriptures.

I care not to speculated as we are not told. Guess we will just have to wait in anticipation.

One more NOTE keras.. the third temple is to be destroyed. A new one fifty miles by fifty miles will be build in the Millennium. It will be placed just north of Jerusalem.

Blade

 

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[BABerean2]

Paul told the people what would happen before the day of Christ, our gathering.
He linked right back to the time of Daniel 11:36 when the man of sin will exalt himself.
He wanted the church to remember how he had told them when he was with them about this time. Paul must have preached on the prophecy of the abomination in Daniel. He told wanted them to recall that sermon to them.

Daniel 10-12 is all one section of prophecy. Daniel 10 shows Daniel a vision, and a holy being shows up several times, and had told him that it will befall his people in the latter days.

Do you know why the following verse is in the New Testament?
The Jews of Jesus time would have understood its meaning, and its historical implication.

John 10:22

(CJB) Then came Hanukkah in Yerushalayim. It was winter,

(ESV) At that time the Feast of Dedication took place at Jerusalem. It was winter,

(Geneva) And it was at Hierusalem the feast of the Dedication, and it was winter.

(Greek NT TR) εγενετο δε τα εγκαινια εν τοις ιεροσολυμοις και χειμων ην

(GW) The Festival of the Dedication of the Temple took place in Jerusalem during the winter.

(LITV-TSP) And the Feast of Dedication took place in Jerusalem, and it was winter.

(KJV) And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.

(KJV+) AndG1161 it wasG1096 atG1722 JerusalemG2414 theG3588 feast of the dedication,G1456 andG2532 it wasG2258 winter.G5494

(NKJV) Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter.

(YLT) And the dedication in Jerusalem came, and it was winter,

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[Bladerunner]

So Daniel is wrong?

Why would Daniel be wrong?
Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

UNTIL THE END OF THESE WONDERS !! Read verse 8, Dan. asks what shall be the end, thus Jesus is referring back to verses 6 and 7, how long shall it be to the end of these wonders, or in the second coming. That would put this EVENT (AoD) 1290 days from the Second Coming, just like it puts the scattering of the holy peoples (Israel) power 1260 days until the Second Coming. God gave us a beauty of a riddle here, but it has been revealed unto us in these last days.



REREAD Daniel 8:25, Daniel 9:27 and Daniel 11:40-43, study the MANY intently and tell me who you think they are ? I see the MANY as Nations the Anti-Christ enters into agreements with via 7 year contracts, NOT JUST Israel, he must Conquer the whole region, all of these Beasts on the map controlled the Mediterranean Sea Region in full. When we read Dan. 11:40-43 we see he conquers MANY nations, including Israel/Jerusalem, and all of North Africa falls.

Google European Neighborhood Policy, they already have 7 year deals with all of these nations: Algeria, Morocco, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Libya, Palestine, Syria, Tunisia to the South of the European Union. European Neighbourhood Policy - Wikipedia

Now hit the link and look at the map of what the E.U. would look like with all these Nations, then Google an Old Roman Empire Map. They look exactly the same.

View attachment 245344
European Neighbourhood Policy (ENP)
Blue = EU member states
Light Blue = EU enlargement agenda
Green = Eastern Partnership ENP countries
Orange = Other ENP countries (all but Libya are UfM members)
Yellow = UfM members, which are not an ENP country, part of the EU or its enlargement agenda)

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View attachment 245347Old Roman Empire Map.

I suggest the MANY are these nations the Beast Conquers in Dan. 11:40-43, he deceives MANY by peace, not just Israel.

You think GOD gave us riddles to solve. Think again. Try reading the Bible (ALL of IT) Literally, Historically and Grammatically. If you don't youi can get lost real quick and in this day, the end days, yoiu don't want to get lost.

Blade

 

[Choose Wisely]

It is not the Antichrist being revealed. It is the Antichrist being revealed as the man of sin.

It does not matter. This revealing had nothing to do with the start of the Day of the Lord other than it must occur before the Day of the Lord can happen. It does not occur at the Day of the Lord. The Day of the Lord begins with a coming of Jesus and a gathering.

 

[Choose Wisely]

Why would Daniel be wrong?
Blade

Because he says that the abomination of desolation happens 1290 days after the daily sacrifice is taken away.
Dan 12
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

 

[Douggg]

It does not matter. This revealing had nothing to do with the start of the Day of the Lord other than it must occur before the Day of the Lord can happen. It does not occur at the Day of the Lord. The Day of the Lord begins with a coming of Jesus and a gathering.

It does make a difference because when the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act - it ends the illusion of peace and safety, which is the factor of when the Day of the Lord begins, in 1Thessalonians 5.

It is not talking about Jesus's coming at that time. Jesus returns at the end of the great tribulation - not when the the world is saying peace and safety.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

 

[Bladerunner]

I don't go along with that, remember the MEN'S TRADITIONS I warned about ? That is one also, it does seem he might do that, but the Wrath or DOTL starts when Jesus Opens the First Seal and thus the Anti-Christ goes forth to Conquer, thus becoming the Beast, it's God's/Jesus's Wrath, he delivers it not Satan/Anti-Christ or anyone else. He ALLOWS the Beast to go forth, but only after the Church is Raptured, that is the Wrath of God on mankind's beginning.

The False Prophet at the 1290 places the IMAGE of the Beast in the Temple. The Anti-Christ doesn't Conquer Jerusalem until 30 days later at the 1260.



We know God is going to kill the Anti-Christ, and all that are wicked. TIME is a construct God created for us, God is not subject unto time but is eternal, thus our New Heaven and earth being eternal will probably be LIKEWISE without a time construct.

Where does the Bible tell us jerusalem is destroyed 30 days after the 3.5 years have run their course?????

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

Because he says that the abomination of desolation happens 1290 days after the daily sacrifice is taken away.
Dan 12
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Really!...Daniel 9:27.."And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

Me thinks you need to get the KJV

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

Pastor Michael Hoggard speaks here about "Rightly Dividing the Word".

Rightly Dividing The Word Part 1: Pastor Michael Hoggard

If you want to quote The pastor in a verse or two that convinced you that You are rightly dividing the Bible, I'll try to respond to it. BUT, I do not have time to listen to every video pastor and then make comments.

Blade

 

[Choose Wisely]

It does make a difference because when the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act - it ends the illusion of peace and safety, which is the factor of when the Day of the Lord begins, in 1Thessalonians 5.

It is not talking about Jesus's coming at that time. Jesus returns at the end of the great tribulation - not when the the world is saying peace and safety.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Immediately after the tribulation they are saying peace and safety and then sudden destruction as the coming of the Messiah, the gathering from heaven and earth and the wrath of God begins.

Like most people that study Biblical prophecy.......you need to learn the difference between the tribulation and the wrath of God. They are not the same.

 

[Choose Wisely]

Really!...Daniel 9:27.."And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

Me thinks you need to get the KJV

Blade

Yeah Really. Me knows that me uses the KJV. In the midst of the week the daily sacrifice is taken away and 1290 days later the abomination of desolation is set up.

 

[Bladerunner]

Yeah Really. Me knows that me uses the KJV. In the midst of the week the daily sacrifice is taken away and 1290 days later the abomination of desolation is set up.

How do you get 1260 days later from Daniel 9:27.."And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

The beginning of the 70th week with the confirmation of the covenant. "In the Midst of the Week" (1260 days or 3.5 years),The 2nd half of the week, the AoD happens. NOT 1260 days later. From the Middle of Daniel's 70th week, 1260 days or more, the 2nd Advent (coming) of the Lord happens.

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

Immediately after the tribulation they are saying peace and safety and then sudden destruction as the coming of the Messiah, the gathering from heaven and earth and the wrath of God begins.

Like most people that study Biblical prophecy.......you need to learn the difference between the tribulation and the wrath of God. They are not the same.

The only place that is said is by Paul to the
Thessalonica church as a epistle to them. read '1 Thes 5:1-5'..."But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. v.2..For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. v.3..For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. v.4..But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. v.5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness."

No where in these verses has it prophesied any of what you said AFTER after the Daniel's 70th week. In fact, the prophecy would call attention to the 2nd half of Daniel's 70th week simply because of the woman (israel) in travail.

You need to learn the tribulations you speak of; is Daniel's 70th week. Everybody has tribulations and will have until they die but those tribulations and Daniel's 70th week are not the same. However, Daniel's 70th week begins God Wrath. We see in the sixth seal, Noblemen and kings are hiding from God's Wrath.

Blade

 

[Choose Wisely]

How do you get 1260 days later from Daniel 9:27.."And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

The beginning of the 70th week with the confirmation of the covenant. "In the Midst of the Week" (1260 days or 3.5 years),The 2nd half of the week, the AoD happens. NOT 1260 days later. From the Middle of Daniel's 70th week, 1260 days or more, the 2nd Advent (coming) of the Lord happens.

Blade

In the midst of the week is not the exact middle. A week is 7x360=2520 days.
Dan 12
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

2520 days - 1335 days =1185 days so the midst of the week that the daily sacrifice is taken away is day 1185. 1260 days has nothing to do with it.

 

[Choose Wisely]

The only place that is said is by Paul to the
Thessalonica church as a epistle to them. read '1 Thes 5:1-5'..."But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. v.2..For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. v.3..For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. v.4..But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. v.5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness."

No where in these verses has it prophesied any of what you said AFTER after the Daniel's 70th week. In fact, the prophecy would call attention to the 2nd half of Daniel's 70th week simply because of the woman (israel) in travail.

You need to learn the tribulations you speak of; is Daniel's 70th week. Everybody has tribulations and will have until they die but those tribulations and Daniel's 70th week are not the same. However, Daniel's 70th week begins God Wrath. We see in the sixth seal, Noblemen and kings are hiding from God's Wrath.

Blade

No, the tribulation is over before the wrath of God begins.

Matt 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Rev 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

 

[Douggg]

Like most people that study Biblical prophecy.......you need to learn the difference between the tribulation and the wrath of God. They are not the same.

I know the difference. The wrath of God takes place during the great tribulation.

Immediately after the tribulation they are saying peace and safety and then sudden destruction as the coming of the Messiah, the gathering from heaven and earth and the wrath of God begins.

The last vial of God's wrath is poured out in Revelation 16:

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
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No-one will be saying peace and safety, as the armies have gathered at Armageddon to make war of Jesus. And with the 7th vial of God's wrath, cities of the nations fell, sinking islands and leveling mountains, and giant hailstone pummel the earth.

And Jesus descending to destroy them gathered against them.
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19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
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