Day of the Lord

[Choose Wisely]

The 6th seal is not the beginning of the Day of the Lord because right before the day of the Lord begins the world will be saying "peace and safety". 1Thessalonians5:2-3.

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They will be saying peace and safety.........IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS.....which occurs right before the 6th seal according to Matthew 24

 

[Douggg]

They will be saying peace and safety.........IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS.....which occurs at the 6th seal.

No that is not when they will be saying peace and safety in 1Thessalonians5:2-3. The world is be at ease at the time, eating, drinking, marrying, giving in marriage, Matthew 24:38.

 

[Bladerunner]

Heb 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

The Greek word "diatheke" is translated as "covenant" above.
It is the same Greek word found below, which is translated as "testament" in the KJV, but "covenant" in the NKJV.


Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—
Heb 8:9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
Heb 8:10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
Heb 8:11 NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
Heb 8:12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
(Copied word-for-word from Jeremiah 31:31-34.)
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


Heb 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
(Same covenant as in Hebrews 8:6.)
Heb 9:16 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.
Heb 9:18 Therefore not even the first covenant was dedicated without blood.

You are correct about one thing.
The New Covenant was fulfilled at Calvary.
That account is found in all four Gospels.


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Don't believe I said that?

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

If there is anything you can teach me, I will be happy to learn. However, I already understand why you are incorrect regarding this as I used to believe what you did. Then I decided to put things where God says they go and quit taking a hammer and pounding square pegs into round holes.

reading it literally, historically and grammatically, I do not have to do anything read and enjoy.

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

Yes, that is what it says in Revelation. But in Revelation, they are all not exact equals in terms of days.

The 42 months and the time, times, and half time are given because they are not "exactly" 1260 days. Close, but not exactly.

When everything is understood in the right order - the total is 2520 days, the 7 years.

When factoring in the two witnesses...

1260 days + 3.5 days + 1256.5 days (referred to as 42 months) = 2520 days

And when factoring in the war in heaven (the second heaven)....

1260 days + war in heaven time + the time, times, half time = 2520 days

The first half in blue. The second half in brown.

how about 42 months * 30/days per month=
1260.....Looks to me like it is the same...

Oh well ,I tried.

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

Yes, that is what it says in Revelation. But in Revelation, they are all not exact equals in terms of days.

The 42 months and the time, times, and half time are given because they are not "exactly" 1260 days. Close, but not exactly.

When everything is understood in the right order - the total is 2520 days, the 7 years.

When factoring in the two witnesses...

1260 days + 3.5 days + 1256.5 days (referred to as 42 months) = 2520 days

And when factoring in the war in heaven (the second heaven)....

1260 days + war in heaven time + the time, times, half time = 2520 days

The first half in blue. The second half in brown.

You said: "Yes, that is what it says in Revelation. But in Revelation, they are all not exact equals in terms of days."

I would like to have the references that you quoted for that. God give us three different ways to calculate the SAME NUMBER of Days. If you knew Greek you would know that "time (1), times(2) and a half a time (.5)..Add these together you get 3.5 years.

where did you get the 3.5 days for the two witnesses....I think you are making stuff up.

Blade

 

[Douggg]

how about 42 months * 30/days per month=
1260.....Looks to me like it is the same...

Oh well ,I tried.

Blade

It is not a conversion issue. It is how the term is used specifically in Revelation.

Everything would be expressed as 1260 days - if it were intended to be 1260 days exactly for the 42 months, and the time, times, half times. The 42 months, and the time, times, half times are used for the reasons I explained.

 

[Douggg]

where did you get the 3.5 days for the two witnesses....I think you are making stuff up.

Blade

The 3.5 days for the two witnesses are in Revelation 11:11.

11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

When factoring in the two witnesses...

1260 days + 3.5 days + 1256.5 days (referred to as 42 months) = 2520 days

 

[Choose Wisely]

No that is not when they will be saying peace and safety in 1Thessalonians5:2-3. The world is be at ease at the time, eating, drinking, marrying, giving in marriage, Matthew 24:38.

And yet we see that Noah is not ark 7 days before the flood. The church will be gone in the pre trib rapture before they are saying peace and safety. Once the church is gone.......there will be wars and rumors of wars as the seals are opened. When the tribulation is over they will say peace and safety and then will be cast into the wrath of God.

 

[BABerean2]

Don't believe I said that?

The same Greek word found in Hebrews 12:24 as "diatheke", and translated to "covenant" is also found in the other verses below.


Mat_26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mar_14:24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.

Luk_22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

1Co_11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

2Co_3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Heb 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

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[Bladerunner]

It is not a conversion issue. It is how the term is used specifically in Revelation.

Everything would be expressed as 1260 days - if it were intended to be 1260 days exactly for the 42 months, and the time, times, half times. The 42 months, and the time, times, half times are used for the reasons I explained.

NO, what GOD did was write it using all three so calculations like those you have would spotted as false in an instant... It works.

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

The 3.5 days for the two witnesses are in Revelation 11:11.

11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

When factoring in the two witnesses...

1260 days + 3.5 days + 1256.5 days (referred to as 42 months) = 2520 days

They are in the middle of the Daniel's 70th week. They lay dead for 3.5 days. It has nothing to do with the 1260 days.

Blade

 

[Douggg]

They are in the middle of the Daniel's 70th week. They lay dead for 3.5 days. It has nothing to do with the 1260 days.

Blade

It is 1260 days for the first half, the length of their testimony time in Revelation 11:3. Then an additional 3.5 days their bodies lie dead in the streets.

That leaves 1256.5 days in the 2520 day 7 years. Which is the 42 months in Revelation 13:5 and Revelation 11:2.

 

[Douggg]

NO, what GOD did was write it using all three so calculations like those you have would spotted as false in an instant... It works.

Blade

John was the one who recorded Revelation of what he saw and was told, as presented to him by Jesus.

What I have explained to you is correct.

There is no reason to say 42 months, if what was meant by it is exactly 1260 days. Likewise, for the time, times, half times.

 

[Douggg]

The church will be gone in the pre trib rapture before they are saying peace and safety.

What is your bible verse(s) indicating that the rapture will take place before the world is saying peace and safety?

In 1Thessalonians5, them who will be saying peace and safety - will be in the dark. But Christians are not supposed to be in the dark and aware. So Christians may be here during that time of saying peace and safety, in the initial part of the 7 years. No-one knows for certain (except God of course) because the rapture can not be pinpointed.

What Christians are not supposed to experience is the beginning years of the Day of the Lord when the peace and safety illusion is shattered by the Antichrist going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God.

 

[Choose Wisely]

What is your bible verse(s) indicating that the rapture will take place before the world is saying peace and safety?

Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

In 1Thessalonians5, them who will be saying peace and safety - will be in the dark. But Christians are not supposed to be in the dark and aware.

The GOODMAN will not know when the master will return. He is told to watch and be ready that he may escape ALL THE THINGS THAT WILL COME TO PASS. That includes wars and rumors of wars, famines, pestilence etc.........all the seals. After the pretribulation rapture, the world will be in ............the tribulation. The church will be gone.

Now Gods elect......the twelve tribes will become jealous as the mostly Gentile Church will have been raptured. They will realize what has happened as the rapture will likely occur on the harvest feast of Pentecost. These people will not be in darkness and they will know that the gathering and the wrath of God are getting ready to occur. They are told to look up when they see things as their redemption draws nigh. It's not the church that will see the signs of His coming.

So Christians may be here during that time of saying peace and safety, in the initial part of the 7 years.

The true church will not be here. They will escape all the things including the wars, famines, and pestilence. The non believers having gone through these things will say peace and safety after the tribulation. And then sudden destruction will come upon them as they are not looking for or believing in the Messiah. The believers on the earth at that time will know what is getting ready to happen and will be looking up for their redemption. That day won't take them unaware.

 

[iamlamad]

Of course the midst means EXACT middle................. if you don't understand.

If a sailor said that he lost his harpoon in the midst of the storm, would you calculate that since it was a 6 hour storm that he lost his harpoon at hour 3. Or would you realize that the harpoon was lost in the middle of the storm but not necessarily at hour 3.

God gives us the calculation. Day 1335 after the daily sacrifice is taken away allows you to subtract 1335 days from 2520 and realize the the daily sacrifice was taken away on day 1185........in the midst of the week.

Can you show me a scripture where 1260 days occurs in the midst of the week?

Your math makes me wonder. Your theory makes me wonder even more. Why you read this so much differently that most of the church. WHY subtract when no one else does? It is because you don't understand that the 1290 EXTENDS the 1260 days of the last half of the week to another 30 days. Then the 1335 days extends that to another 45 days.

Trying to subtract leads you further off course - when you are already way off. The very fact that John wrote 1260 days twice, and 42 months twice is solid proof the week is divided exactly in half. Again you have chosen very UNWISELY. Perhaps you should change your moniker.

 

[iamlamad]

And if we were to timeline the 1290 days and the 1335 days, it would look like this...

day 1......day 1185 AoD....... 1290 days later............day 2475*.......day 2520

*sixth seal event. Then, a 45 day window for the armies to gather at Armageddon.

The first half in blue. The second half in brown

Let's just leave it as John wrote it!

Day 1 -> 1st 6 trumpets -> 7th trumpet marks the midpoint -> 6 vials -> 7th vial ends the week.
| ------------1260 days ---------------7th trumpet---------------1260 days----------------7th vial.

Why changed something so simple into a mess, when God left it simple?

 

[iamlamad]

Yes, that is what it says in Revelation. But in Revelation, they are all not exact equals in terms of days.

The 42 months and the time, times, and half time are given because they are not "exactly" 1260 days. Close, but not exactly.

When everything is understood in the right order - the total is 2520 days, the 7 years.

When factoring in the two witnesses...

1260 days + 3.5 days + 1256.5 days (referred to as 42 months) = 2520 days

And when factoring in the war in heaven (the second heaven)....

1260 days + war in heaven time + the time, times, half time = 2520 days

The first half in blue. The second half in brown.

This is just more nonsense.

The first half is 1260 days. But on the 1256 1/2 day, the two witnesses show up and begin their testimony.

|--------1256 1/2 days 1st half ------two witnesses begin---3 1/2 days -----7th trumpet midpoint-------->---> 1256th days of SECOND half-two witnesses die----3 1/2 days - 7th vial ends the week.

The two witnesses show up suddenly after the 42 months of trampling start - and just 3 1/2 days before the exact midpoint or the 1260th day. They testify for 1260 days which takes them to just 3 1/2 days from the end. They are killed and lay dead those 3 1/2 days and are resurrected on the last day of the week - at the 7th vial.

 

[iamlamad]

The 6th seal is not the beginning of the Day of the Lord because right before the day of the Lord begins the world will be saying "peace and safety". 1Thessalonians5:2-3.

Definitely not the case at the time of the 6th seal.

Understanding of the Day of the Lord, it is necessary to take all the references to the Day of the Lord throughout the bible and put the different segments about the Day of the Lord in order.

The 70th week begins with the confirming of the covenant for 7 years.

The great tribulation begins with the Abomination of Desolation in a holy place.

Definitely your theory is messed up with human reasoning. Why reason AGAINST the word of God?

John TELLS US the day starts at the 6th seal. Don't fight it - BELIEVE it. It will be peace and safety - then the rapture - then the DAY....in that order and all within seconds or less.

What do you imagine will be just before the 6th seal? I suggest you read 1 thes. 4 & 5!