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More great Universal Salvation verses:

Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Those verse truly show that the God is going to save everyone in due time universally.

You can't confess that Jesus Christ is Lord but by the Holy Spirit:

1Co_12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

I'm sure this man-made hell is somewhere below, within or above earth. That pretty much means everywhere. And yet we see that UNIVERSALLY everyone will have the Holy Spirit in due time.
 
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Boys were circumcised on the 8th day to show that they would be consecrated to the Father in Heaven. This is to happen after the millennial rule Christ which is the 7th day (1000 year period). If there were not more sons to come God would have not needed to wait until the 1000 year period to expire.
 
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More great Universal Salvation verses:
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Those verse truly show that the God is going to save everyone in due time universally.
You can't confess that Jesus Christ is Lord but by the Holy Spirit:
1Co_12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
I'm sure this man-made hell is somewhere below, within or above earth. That pretty much means everywhere. And yet we see that UNIVERSALLY everyone will have the Holy Spirit in due time.
Yet more out-of-context UR proof texts.
When Jesus makes His enemies His footstool facing "Depart from me you workers of iniquity, I never knew you." They will say anything including "Jesus, is Lord" to avoid their deserved punishment. See Matthew 25:46

Psalms 110:1
(1) A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Matthew 22:44
(44) The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Mark 12:36
(36) For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Luke 20:43
(43) Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Hebrews 1:13
(13) But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Hebrews 10:13
(13) From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
These vss. are invisible to UR-ites.
 
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More great Universal Salvation verses:
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Those verse truly show that the God is going to save everyone in due time universally.
You can't confess that Jesus Christ is Lord but by the Holy Spirit:
1Co_12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
I'm sure this man-made hell is somewhere below, within or above earth. That pretty much means everywhere. And yet we see that UNIVERSALLY everyone will have the Holy Spirit in due time.
Matthew 7:21-23
(21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(23) And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Since people can only say that Jesus is Lord by the Holy Spirit, I guess those "many" who say to Jesus, "Lord, Lord," vs. 22, must have the Holy Spirit so why does Jesus tell them, "I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity?"
 
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Where did all those crickets come from?
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Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Those verse truly show that the God is going to save everyone in due time universally.

You can't confess that Jesus Christ is Lord but by the Holy Spirit:

1Co_12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

The koine en = in.

For those who by experience know what it is to be in/en Christ, the scope of this worship is clear. Every being, in every dimension of the heavens, earth & underworld ultimately dwells in union with Father. ALL!
 
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The koine en = in.

For those who by experience know what it is to be in/en Christ, the scope of this worship is clear. Every being, in every dimension of the heavens, earth & underworld ultimately dwells in union with Father. ALL!

That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow (ινα εν τω ονοματ Ιησου παν γονυ καμψη). First aorist active subjunctive of καμπτω, old verb, to bend, to bow, in purpose clause with ινα. Not perfunctory genuflectionswhenever the name of Jesus is mentioned, but universal acknowledgment of the majesty and power of Jesus who carries his human name and nature to heaven. This universal homage to Jesus...~A.T. Robertson
 
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Every being, in every dimension of the heavens, earth & underworld ultimately dwells in union with Father. ALL!

This is absolutely true. God is in authority over every dimension, He has dominion over every being. Therefore, as He desires His will to be done to everyone, to save everyone, it shall be done to everyone.

1 Corinthians 15:55: "O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?"

God will not let death win! In the coming age, there will be no more death, no more suffering, for anyone. Because God will save everyone!
 
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FineLinen said:
The koine en = in.
For those who by experience know what it is to be in/en Christ, the scope of this worship is clear. Every being, in every dimension of the heavens, earth & underworld ultimately dwells in union with Father. ALL!

That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow (ινα εν τω ονοματ Ιησου παν γονυ καμψη). First aorist active subjunctive of καμπτω, old verb, to bend, to bow, in purpose clause with ινα. Not perfunctory genuflectionswhenever the name of Jesus is mentioned, but universal acknowledgment of the majesty and power of Jesus who carries his human name and nature to heaven. This universal homage to Jesus...~A.T. Robertson
I need to get me some special Universalist glasses which only see the verses which, when quoted out-of-context, as in the above quotes. appear to say that all mankind will be saved, the unrighteous and righteous alike, even after death.
Pity that Universalists can't see the following verses, where Jesus, Himself, is speaking;

Matthew 7:21 It is not everyone who tells me, ‘Lord, Lord’ who will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will tell me in that Day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your Name, cast out demons in your Name, and do many deeds of power in your Name?’ 23 Then I will tell them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from me, you who do what is wicked.’
Laurent Cleenewerck, ed., The Eastern/Greek Orthodox Bible: New Testament (Laurent A. Cleenewerck, 2011), Mt 7:21–23.
Jesus NEVER said everyone will enter the kingdom heaven. Jesus said, "not everyone who tells me, ‘Lord, Lord’ who will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven," Then Jesus said, MANY, not a few, will call Him Lord, Lord but He will say to those many, "I never knew you! Depart from me, you who do what is wicked."
When Jesus says "never" He means " never" not "maybe later by."
 
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This is absolutely true. God is in authority over every dimension, He has dominion over every being. Therefore, as He desires His will to be done to everyone, to save everyone, it shall be done to everyone.
1 Corinthians 15:55: "O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?"
God will not let death win! In the coming age, there will be no more death, no more suffering, for anyone. Because God will save everyone!
See my post #309, directly above.
 
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This is absolutely true. God is in authority over every dimension, He has dominion over every being. Therefore, as He desires His will to be done to everyone, to save everyone, it shall be done to everyone.

1 Corinthians 15:55: "O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?"

God will not let death win! In the coming age, there will be no more death, no more suffering, for anyone. Because God will save everyone!

Yes, this idea of Eternal Torment has sinners remaining. If sinners could remain then that would mean the wage of sin would remain which is Death. The BIBLE is clear that Death will be abolished. There is only one thing that Christ ever showed that defeats Death and that was LIFE!
 
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Yes, this idea of Eternal Torment has sinners remaining. If sinners could remain then that would mean the wage of sin would remain which is Death. The BIBLE is clear that Death will be abolished. There is only one thing that Christ ever showed that defeats Death and that was LIFE!
First, the Biblical term is "Eternal Punishment!" NOT "torment." Those words were spoken by Jesus, Himself, in Matthew 25:46 You have heard of Him, haven't you?
EOB Matthew:25:46 When he will answer them, saying: ‘Amen, I tell you: as much as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 These [ones on the left] will go away into eternal [αἰώνιος/aionios] punishment, [κόλασις/kolasis] but the righteous into eternal [αἰώνιος/aionios] life.”[EOB p. 96]
…..Greek has been the language of the Eastern Greek Orthodox church since its inception, 2000 years ago +/-. Note, the native Greek speaking Eastern Orthodox Greek scholars, translators of the EOB, translated “aionios,” in Matt 25:46, as “eternal,” NOT “age.” It is impossible to translate "aionios" as "age" because "aionios" is an adjective and "age" is a noun.
…..Who is better qualified than the team of native Greek speaking scholars, translators of the Eastern Greek Orthodox Bible [EOB], quoted above and below, to know the correct translation of the Greek in the N.T.?
Link to EOB online:
The New Testament ( The Eastern-Greek Orthodox Bible) : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
…..The Greek word “kolasis” occurs only twice in the N.T., 1st occurrence Matt 25:46, above, and 2nd occurrence 1 John 4:18., below.

EOB 1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear, because fear is connected with punishment.[κόλασις/kolasis] But the one who fears is not yet perfect in love.[EOB p. 518]
In the EOB the Greek word “kolasis” is translated “punishment” in both Matt 25:46 and 1 John 4:18.
…..Some badly informed folks claim “kolasis” really means “prune” or “correction.”
Sorry, that is impossible, both “prune” and “correction” are verbs. “Kolasis” is a noun. A noun cannot be translated as a verb.
Also according to the EOB Greek scholars “kolasis” means “punishment.”
Note: in 1 John 4:18 there is no correction, the one with “kolasis” is not made perfect. Thus “kolasis” does not/cannot mean “correction.”
…..It is acknowledged that modern Greek differs from koine Greek but I am confident that the native Greek speaking EOB scholars, supported by 2000 years +/- of continuous, uninterrupted Greek scholarship, are competent enough to know the correct translation of obsolete Greek words which may have changed in meaning or are no longer in use and to translate them correctly. In the same way English speaking scholars today know the meaning of obsolete English words which occur in the 1611 KJV and can define them correctly.



 
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This is absolutely true. God is in authority over every dimension, He has dominion over every being. Therefore, as He desires His will to be done to everyone, to save everyone, it shall be done to everyone.

1 Corinthians 15:55: "O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?"

God will not let death win! In the coming age, there will be no more death, no more suffering, for anyone. Because God will save everyone!

Yes, it seems that only Universalists preach that His Will shall be done. It is a beautiful thing to even known that others embrace universalism as a result of this, to know that we are that close to a knowledge of God. I found profound love to know that others share in such a great gift of this knowledge.
 
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Yes, it seems that only Universalists preach that His Will shall be done. It is a beautiful thing to even known that others embrace universalism as a result of this, to know that we are that close to a knowledge of God. I found profound love to know that others share in such a great gift of this knowledge.
Nonsense!
2 Corinthians 5:19: "In Christ God was reconciling the world to himself."
The whole world will be reconciled. The Lord will not leave out even a single person. Everyone will be saved through Jesus Christ.
Nonsense!
See my posts # 309 and 312, above which refutes anything you post. I like this, refuting two posts at one time.
 
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Ephesians 4:10: "He who descended is the one who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things."

Right now, everyone is empty. We have sin inside us. God hates sin, but loves us. Therefore, that’s why Christ has descended to save all of us, so that we will all go to Heaven through Him.
 
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Ephesians 4:10: "He who descended is the one who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things."

Right now, everyone is empty. We have sin inside us. God hates sin, but loves us. Therefore, that’s why Christ has descended to save all of us, so that we will all go to Heaven through Him.

God does love us. God's love for us cannot fail. Paul says that God is RESPONSIBLE for our sinful state:

Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

God knowing the end from the beginning put the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil in the midst of the Garden knowing that man were take of it. For it was NECESSARY that man take of it because God is creating HIS OWN KIND which knows good and evil. God KNEW that Adam would take of the forbidden fruit and that all born unto Adam would then be condemned and need a seed not of Adam to redeem us - a virgin birth by the Holy Spirit. Thank you God for our Savior - Jesus!
 
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@HSong Re: post #316
*** Irrelevant nonscriptural commentary omitted ***
Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
*** Irrelevant nonscriptural commentary omitted ***
Anybody can make the Bible say almost anything by quoting selective verses out-of-context.
The same apostle Paul who wrote the 2 vss above also wrote the following.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: [no wrongdoer] neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:19-21
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Ephesians 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, [no wrongdoer] hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
1 Corinthians 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
Twenty two categories of unrighteous people who have no inheritance in the kingdom of God.1. adulterers, 2. covetous, 3. drunkenness, 4. effeminate, 5. emulations, 6. envious, 7. extortion 8. fornication, 9. hatred, 10. heresies, 11. homosexuals, 12. idolators, 13. lasciviousness, 14. murder, 15. reveling, 16. revilers 17. sedition, 18. strife, 19. thieves, 20. uncleanness 21. witchcraft. 22. Wrath
Vss cited: 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Galatians 5:19-21, Ephesians 5:5, 1 Corinthians 3:17



 
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Ephesians 4:10: "He who descended is the one who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things."
Right now, everyone is empty. We have sin inside us. God hates sin, but loves us. Therefore, that’s why Christ has descended to save all of us, so that we will all go to Heaven through Him.
In Matthew 7:21-23 Jesus said "Not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of Heaven."
Then Jesus says that MANY, not a few, will brag to Him about all the wonderful things they claim they have done but Jesus will say to them I never knew you, depart from me you who work iniquity.
 
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Colossians 1:19-20: Through Christ "God was pleased ... to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of His cross."

Nothing can stop this plan! God does what He pleases to do. The devil and rebellious angels can not stop God. Human tradition can not stop God. God says that everyone will be saved, henceforth, everyone will gbe saved!
 
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