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Colossians 1:19-20: Through Christ "God was pleased ... to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of His cross."
Nothing can stop this plan! God does what He pleases to do. The devil and rebellious angels can not stop God. Human tradition can not stop God. God says that everyone will be saved, henceforth, everyone will be saved!
I have to get me one of those UR Bibles which only has UR verses. My Bible has verses like this.
Matthew 7:21-23
(21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: [no wrongdoer] neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:19-21
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Ephesians 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, [no wrongdoer] hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
1 Corinthians 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
Twenty two categories of unrighteous people who have no inheritance in the kingdom of God.1. adulterers, 2. covetous, 3. drunkenness, 4. effeminate, 5. emulations, 6. envious, 7. extortion 8. fornication, 9. hatred, 10. heresies, 11. homosexuals, 12. idolators, 13. lasciviousness, 14. murder, 15. reveling, 16. revilers 17. sedition, 18. strife, 19. thieves, 20. uncleanness 21. witchcraft. 22. Wrath
Vss cited: 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Galatians 5:19-21, Ephesians 5:5, 1 Corinthians 3:17



 
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Lu:3:6:
And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.
1Co:15:39:
All flesh is not the same flesh:
but there is one kind of flesh of men,
another flesh of beasts,
another of fishes,
and another of birds.
Lu:12:6:
Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings,
and not one of them is forgotten before God?
Lu:12:7:
But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
Fear not therefore:
ye are of more value than many sparrows.
Isa:11:6:
The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb,
and the leopard shall lie down with the kid;
and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together;
and a little child shall lead them.
Isa:65:25:
The wolf and the lamb shall feed together,
and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock:
and dust shall be the serpent's meat.
They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain,
saith the LORD.

All of Isaiah:65 is about the group called 'the rest' in Re:20. The ones killed by Jesus's sword, especially.
The 2nd group in Re:7 is about the ones Jesus sends to hell, that is what is defined as 'great tribulation' in prophecy.
Hebrews:12 is an expansion on the Great White Throne event. It takes place in Mount Sion, aka the angels promised. It is an expansion that shows it is a time of chastisement and forgiveness rather than chastisement and then more punishment.
 
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Philippians 2:10-11: "At the name of Jesus every knee will bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

People will only willingly declare glory to something out of goodness if it is good. God is good, therefore, everyone will be in Heaven, praising God for saving them, despite their sins, out of His infinite mercy and grace for us all!
 
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Philippians 2:10-11: "At the name of Jesus every knee will bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
People will only willingly declare glory to something out of goodness if it is good. God is good, therefore, everyone will be in Heaven, praising God for saving them, despite their sins, out of His infinite mercy and grace for us all
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More dishonest quoting scriptures out-of-context. Anybody can do that and make the Bible say almost anything. When God makes the enemies of Jesus His footstool, they will then be saying Jesus is Lord just before He tells them "Depart from me you workers of iniquity. I never knew you." Matthew 7:21-23
Making the enemies of Jesus, His footstool must be important it is repeated seven times.

Psalms 110:1
(1) A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Matthew 22:44
(44) The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Mark 12:36
(36) For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Luke 20:42-43
(42) And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
(43) Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Acts 2:34-35
(34) For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
(35) Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
Hebrews 1:13
(13) But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Hebrews 10:13
(13) From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

 
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Philippians 3:20-21: "But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like His glorious body, by the power that enables Him to subject all things to Himself."

The real time our life starts is not here on Earth, but rather in Heaven. All this suffering in life, it will not be remembered for all people. God created us in His own image and this pain will only be temporary. Because everyone will go to Heaven.
 
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Philippians 3:20-21: "But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like His glorious body, by the power that enables Him to subject all things to Himself."
The real time our life starts is not here on Earth, but rather in Heaven. All this suffering in life, it will not be remembered for all people. God created us in His own image and this pain will only be temporary. Because everyone will go to Heaven.
Where does Paul say this is for "all people?"
Philippians 3:1-3
(1) Finally, my brothers and sisters, rejoice in the Lord! To write this again is no trouble to me, and it is a safeguard for you.
(2) Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of those who mutilate the flesh!
(3) For we are the circumcision, the ones who worship by the Spirit of God, exult in Christ Jesus, and do not rely on human credentials
Philippians 3:18-19
(18) For many live, about whom I have often told you, and now, with tears, I tell you that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ.
(19) Their end is destruction, their god is the belly, they exult in their shame, and they think about earthly things.
Right after "their end is destruction" the 2 vss. you quoted.
Philippians 3:20-21: "But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like His glorious body, by the power that enables Him to subject all things to Himself."
 
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Philippians 3:20-21: "But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like His glorious body, by the power that enables Him to subject all things to Himself."

The real time our life starts is not here on Earth, but rather in Heaven. All this suffering in life, it will not be remembered for all people. God created us in His own image and this pain will only be temporary. Because everyone will go to Heaven.

The Lord Yah has planned, within himself, to consummate all where it began: in himself! Yes, the radical all shall be subjected to him in joyful celebration.

Every mouth, every knee, every dimension in/en him in worship.
 
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FineLinen said:
The Lord Yah has planned, within himself, to consummate all where it began: in himself! Yes, the radical all shall be subjected to him in joyful celebration.
Every mouth, every knee, every dimension in/en him in worship.
Vss cited: 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Galatians 5:19-21, Ephesians 5:5, 1 Corinthians 3:17
Twenty two [22] categories of unrighteous people who have NO inheritance in the kingdom of God.1. adulterers, 2. covetous, 3. drunkenness, 4. effeminate, 5. emulations, 6. envious, 7. extortion 8. fornication, 9. hatred, 10. heresies, 11. homosexuals, 12. idolators, 13. lasciviousness, 14. murder, 15. reveling, 16. revilers 17. sedition, 18. strife, 19. thieves, 20. uncleanness 21. witchcraft. 22. Wrath
 
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The Lord Yah has planned, within himself, to consummate all where it began: in himself! Yes, the radical all shall be subjected to him in joyful celebration.

Every mouth, every knee, every dimension in/en him in worship.


"He pre-destined us to be adopted by Himself as sons through Jesus Christ--such being His gracious will and pleasure-- to the praise of the splendour of His grace with which He has enriched us in the beloved One. It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance--the forgiveness of our offences--so abundant was God's grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. In Him we have been made heirs, having been chosen beforehand in accordance with the intention of Him whose might carries out in everything the design of His own will, so that we should be devoted to the extolling of His glorious attributes--we who were the first to fix our hopes on Christ.

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FineLinen said:
He pre-destined us to be adopted by Himself as sons through Jesus Christ--such being His gracious will and pleasure-- to the praise of the splendour of His grace with which He has enriched us in the beloved One. It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance--the forgiveness of our offences--so abundant was God's grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. In Him we have been made heirs, having been chosen beforehand in accordance with the intention of Him whose might carries out in everything the design of His own will, so that we should be devoted to the extolling of His glorious attributes--we who were the first to fix our hopes on Christ.
More dusty platitudes from the musty linen closet. No, zero, none scripture.
 
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"the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him.

Yes, we shall all come unto Christ Jesus and all of creation shall be restored to it's original intent of good like the peace there was in the Garden of Eden.

Romans 12:4-5 For as in one body we have many members, and the members do not all have the same function, so we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another.

We each serve an important function, like the human heart versus the pancreas, the liver, the brain. We do not have the same functions, but we are all equally important, for how can a human survive without these body parts?

1 Corinthians 12:27
Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it.


Christ is the head of our body, the church. Through Him, the salvation of all people is possible. Through His predestined plan, the salvation of everyone is guaranteed!

1 Timothy 2:3-6: "This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time."

It is God’s desire to save all people. God does what He desires. Nothing can stop Him. Therefore, when God wants to save all people, everyone will be saved! And we shall all be made unto the body of Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
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Yes, we shall all come unto Christ Jesus and all of creation shall be restored to it's original intent of good like the peace there was in the Garden of Eden.
Romans 12:4-5 For as in one body we have many members, and the members do not all have the same function, so we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another.
We each serve an important function, like the human heart versus the pancreas, the liver, the brain. We do not have the same functions, but we are all equally important, for how can a human survive without these body parts?
1 Corinthians 12:27
Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it.
Christ is the head of our body, the church. Through Him, the salvation of all people is possible. Through His predestined plan, the salvation of everyone is guaranteed!
1 Timothy 2:3-6: "This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time."
It is God’s desire to save all people. God does what He desires. Nothing can stop Him. Therefore, when God wants to save all people, everyone will be saved! And we shall all be made unto the body of Christ Jesus our Lord.
Let's see what God said centuries before Paul wrote one word.
Jeremiah 13:11-14
(11) For as the girdle cleaveth to the loins of a man, so have I caused to cleave unto me the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah, saith the LORD; that they might be unto me for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory: but they would not hear.
(12) Therefore thou shalt speak unto them this word; Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Every bottle shall be filled with wine: and they shall say unto thee, Do we not certainly know that every bottle shall be filled with wine?
(13) Then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will fill all the inhabitants of this land, even the kings that sit upon David's throne, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, with drunkenness.
(14) And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
And Jesus Himself said,
Matthew 7:21-23
(21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
There is a blindness among UR-tes they can't see these vss.
"Not every one ...shall enter into the kingdom of heaven then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 
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Isn't it interesting that the opposers of Universal Salvation strive so earnestly to promote God as one who is unable or unwilling to bring all mankind to into the family of God.

I will judge them when the time comes and I will judge them righteously. For my calling is not to be among the unrighteous but to be among the righteous and to reign with Christ in His Kingdom. Mercy will be before me with the greatest temperance.

I'm sure of my calling.. God will SAVE me!!!!!!! To my fellow Christians in Christ, I LOVE you in Christ! - and struggle as you with patience for the waiting of the manifestation of our redemption in Christ!

Trust our Lord Jesus! Be sure of your patience.
 
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2 Peter 3:9: "The Lord is ... not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance."

What the Sovereign Lord wishes will be done. His wishes will be accomplished. Therefore, everyone will be saved. Everyone will realize the truth, that they are sinners, and then be saved.
 
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2 Peter 3:9: "The Lord is ... not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance."
What the Sovereign Lord wishes will be done. His wishes will be accomplished. Therefore, everyone will be saved. Everyone will realize the truth, that they are sinners, and then be saved.
Anybody can make the Bible say almost anything by quoting selective vss. out-of-context.
2 Peter 2:20-22
(20) For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
(21) For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
(22) But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
2 Peter 3:17
(17) Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

Jeremiah 13:11-14
(11) For as the girdle cleaveth to the loins of a man, so have I caused to cleave unto me the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah, saith the LORD; that they might be unto me for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory: but they would not hear.
(12) Therefore thou shalt speak unto them this word; Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Every bottle shall be filled with wine: and they shall say unto thee, Do we not certainly know that every bottle shall be filled with wine?
(13) Then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will fill all the inhabitants of this land, even the kings that sit upon David's throne, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, with drunkenness.
(14) And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.

Romans 1:24
(24) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Romans 1:26
(26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans 1:28
(28) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

 
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Hebrews 1:2: "He [God] has spoken to us by his Son, whom He appointed the heir of all things."

The Son will rule over all things, Jesus Christ. The Lord will is that everyone will be saved, thus, it will be accomplished! He will save all of us, not leaving any sheep behind.
 
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2 Peter 3:9: "The Lord is ... not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance."

What the Sovereign Lord wishes will be done. His wishes will be accomplished. Therefore, everyone will be saved. Everyone will realize the truth, that they are sinners, and then be saved.

The ETers will deny that verse strongly and quote others that they BELEIVE show that God doesn't get what he desires. They forget that God gives REPENTENCE. And it is not given because of any merit. So God is ultimately responsible.

They forget that it is God who gives belief in the first place:


Php 1:29 because to you it was granted, on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in him, but also on behalf of him to suffer;
Php 1:30 the same conflict having, such as ye saw in me, and now hear of in me.

Eph_2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:


The ETers want to believe that they have some MERIT for their belief which allows them to be preferred by God to be saved. By doing so they ROB God of His Gift of Faith and His GIFT of Repentance. God can save anyone whom HE chooses at ANYTIME He chooses to do so. We may exercise choice but we do so under the framework that God controls. Therefore, God can and does move man's will to that which He desires. Even Augustine of Hippo declares this:

CHURCH FATHERS: On Grace and Free Will (St. Augustine)

Chapter 41 [XX.]— The Wills of Men are So Much in the Power of God, that He Can Turn Them Whithersoever It Pleases Him.

Chapter 42 [XXI]— God Does Whatsoever He Wills in the Hearts of Even Wicked Men.
Chapter 43.— God Operates on Men's Hearts to Incline Their Wills Whithersoever He Pleases.
 
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The ETers will deny that verse strongly and quote others that they BELEIVE show that God doesn't get what he desires. They forget that God gives REPENTENCE. And it is not given because of any merit. So God is ultimately responsible.
They forget that it is God who gives belief in the first place:
Php 1:29 because to you it was granted, on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in him, but also on behalf of him to suffer;
Php 1:30 the same conflict having, such as ye saw in me, and now hear of in me.
Eph_2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
The ETers want to believe that they have some MERIT for their belief which allows them to be preferred by God to be saved. By doing so they ROB God of His Gift of Faith and His GIFT of Repentance. God can save anyone whom HE chooses at ANYTIME He chooses to do so. We may exercise choice but we do so under the framework that God controls. Therefore, God can and does move man's will to that which He desires. Even Augustine of Hippo declares this:

CHURCH FATHERS: On Grace and Free Will (St. Augustine)
Chapter 41 [XX.]— The Wills of Men are So Much in the Power of God, that He Can Turn Them Whithersoever It Pleases Him.
Chapter 42 [XXI]— God Does Whatsoever He Wills in the Hearts of Even Wicked Men.
Chapter 43.— God Operates on Men's Hearts to Incline Their Wills Whithersoever He Pleases.
Hate to break it to you like this but St. Augustine ain't scripture and what he says, unless he is directly quoting scripture, means diddly squat.
Here are three passages of scripture which I have posted numerous times but UR-ites can't address them, so they ignore them. I have even been threatened with being reported because I post them frequently.
Jeremiah 13:11-14, Matthew 7:21-23, Romans 1:24, Romans 1:26, Romans 1:28
 
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Hebrews 1:2: "He [God] has spoken to us by his Son, whom He appointed the heir of all things."
The Son will rule over all things, Jesus Christ. The Lord will is that everyone will be saved, thus, it will be accomplished! He will save all of us, not leaving any sheep behind.
See my post #335 directly above this quoted post.
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Psalm 2:7-8: "The Lord said to me, `You are my Son; today I have begotten you. Ask of me, and I will make the nations your heritage, and the ends of the earth your possession."'

All of the nations will see the Jesus Christ is the Lord, believe in Him, and be saved!
 
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