Creeping Liberalism

[gurneyhalleck1]

I wasn't asking for help!

But thanks for wishing me s nice day! You, too!

The latter - making claims about the morality of homosexual intercourse - would certainly put somebody on shaky grounds as somebody in dissent about a doctrine, but that is still far from being Orthodox in name only. So the former - supporting some legal rights - is even farther from that, and I don't see where it, by necessity, is incompatible with Orthodox doctrine, since it does not, by necessity, make moral claims contrary to the received teachings of the Orthodox faith.

Hope that helps. Have a nice day.

 

[Orthodoxjay1]

I wasn't asking for help!

But thanks for wishing me s nice day! You, too!

I just looked at your screen name and you have the age of the earth at 3 years, 6 months, awesome!

 

[rusmeister]

See the current thread on divorce. I am convinced that bad ideas are trying to make headway in the Church.

Starring in a work of fiction is hardly evident of holding unorthodox views. He's an actor and it is his job to be in movies. Whether he receives Communion or not or how often is a matter between he and his priest or spiritual father.

There is a problem I see with this take on it. Could an actor -or anyone - support a project that is antithetical to their views? Could you act in a film that obviously promoted Nazism and then try to tell me you actually oppose Nazism? Or rape? Or any evil?

 

[E.C.]

There is a problem I see with this take on it. Could an actor -or anyone - support a project that is antithetical to their views? Could you act in a film that obviously promoted Nazism and then try to tell me you actually oppose Nazism? Or rape? Or any evil?

For this I must bring up the example of Werner Klemperer. He was Jewish yet played the Nazi Colonel Klink in the show "Hogan's Heroes".

 

[rusmeister]

For this I must bring up the example of Werner Klemperer. He was Jewish yet played the Nazi Colonel Klink in the show "Hogan's Heroes".

But this obviously doesn't prove the point. Hogan's Heroes, for all its light-hearted treatment of a horrible thing, was not a praise of Nazism.
I think you have a huge uphill battle to fight if you want to prove that a person is actually likely to knowingly work in support of something that promotes that which is hateful to him.

 

[Dorothea]

I really do cringe when political terms are used with the Orthodox Church or really any church, but I guess it is used to explain a more laxed side or view on certain issues.

 

[All4Christ]

It's good to see you here Dorothea!

 

[Dorothea]

Is Tom Hanks really Orthodox? I'm not aware of him ever being chrismated. From one interview I remember he said he attended his wife's church, but never said he was Orthodox.

I believe he converted before he and Rita married...from what I remember reading about him a year or two ago. Here's an excerpt from an article:

On April 30, 1988, Tom and Rita had their own big fat Greek wedding (it was Rita’s first marriage) at Saint Sophia Cathedral in Los Angeles. Hanks converted from Roman Catholicism to Eastern Orthodox Christianity. - See more at: http://hollywood.greekreporter.com/...m-hanks-and-rita-wilson/#sthash.Qxj7kAxv.dpuf

 

[Dorothea]

It's good to see you here Dorothea!

Thank you!

 

[GregConstantine]

being in role in a movie, on stage, or tv in which you play say a mass murderer, does not mean you support mass murdering or that you wish to become one.

I think what others might be referring to is Tom Hank's activities outside of his work in films. Speaking at events organized by groups that support marriage equality, giving money to them, advocating for the cause, associating his name with the movement, etc.

That is a problem and it needs to be dealt with.

 

[rusmeister]

Of course not, Greg.
But what I mean is taking a role in a movie praising mass murder, or glorifying evil in general.
"Schindler's List" is a hands-down condemnation of the Holocaust. But what could we say about a film and its participants that praised the Holocaust?

 

[GregConstantine]

I don't know, but I think what is more concerning is what is actually happening in real life, not in a movie. Is Tom Hank outside of his work in film actively supporting and aiding efforts to normalize homosexuality? If yes, what should the Church's response be?

 

[buzuxi02]

See the current thread on divorce. I am convinced that bad ideas are trying to make headway in the Church.



There is a problem I see with this take on it. Could an actor -or anyone - support a project that is antithetical to their views?

I don't see how a devout christian can even be in the acting profession. A devout christian would eventually quit or the industry itself push you out, whichever comes first.
The canons bars a man from becoming a bishop if he marries an actress.

 

[GregConstantine]

guys, this tread isn't about the acting profession, it is about liberalism in the Orthodox churches. Please stay focused, because it is already known that taking an acting role does not automatically means you support whatever your character does or believe.

Let's not turn this tread into a discussion about the acting field

 

[gzt]

What people mean by the term is still not defined. Just a general bogeyman term for all the "bad stuff ".

 

[gzt]

I mean, some would apply it in the church to people who think climate change is a problem, others to people who say the universe is 13.799±0.021billion years old, others to those who advocate for gay rights or women's ordination. But I would say that probably only the last set counts but then it is easier and clearer to state what you mean. Only the last set is in any way contrary to the Orthodox faith as well though the others transgress against certain Traditionalist or American conservative ideas.

 

[All4Christ]

The touchy thing about the second is how difficult it is to separate the "rights" from the "morality". If one joins advocate groups for that, it is difficult to join one that only promotes rights and not the validity of related moral choices alongside it. Also, does actively supporting that give the sense of validity to other Orthodox Christians who want to pursue that lifestyle? Many "permissible" actions are not beneficial. It's a slippery slope with that, especially in today's culture.

 

[gzt]

It is certainly difficult, but it is not for us mere mortals to blithely state that somebody is unorthodox because they support this or that cause that is directly in conflict with revealed truth.

 

[buzuxi02]

guys, this tread isn't about the acting profession, it is about liberalism in the Orthodox churches. Please stay focused, because it is already known that taking an acting role does not automatically means you support whatever your character does or believe.

Let's not turn this tread into a discussion about the acting field

Well most celebrities are not viewed as spokespeople for their religion. This is especially true for those that marry into it.

Other than a dispensation releasing a couple from getting married in the church but in a civil ceremony, not much we can do.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

100% dead on.

If an actor were to play an abortion doctor and they make him the "hero" protagonist of the flick, and the point of the movie is to laud the life and antics of said doctor, there is a moral culpability that goes with that actor for portraying it! If a guy plays a serial killer in a movie, obviously the serial killer isn't a hero or someone to be approved of, so that actor is in a different mind set. Christopher Lee wasn't morally guilty for playing Sauraman the wizard, but Tom Hanks is guilty for uplifting the audience to the LGBT propaganda. He has spoken at LGBT clubs, has financially supported them, portrayed them, and openly in public advocates for that filth. If he had done so and repented in confession and publicly rejected his previous opinions, I'd be 100% behind him. But he continues in the persistent sin of supporting that agenda.

Of course not, Greg.
But what I mean is taking a role in a movie praising mass murder, or glorifying evil in general.
"Schindler's List" is a hands-down condemnation of the Holocaust. But what could we say about a film and its participants that praised the Holocaust?