Creeping Liberalism

[ZaidaBoBaida]

Wikipedia says he joined when he got married.

 

[buzuxi02]

Well I know he even carries the epitaphio at his church in LA. But not sure if he was ever received into the church.

You don't need to convert to get married to an Orthodox person if you are a Trinitarian believing heterodox. He would have converted prior to marriage.

 

[Wgw]

Well I know he even carries the epitaphio at his church in LA. But not sure if he was ever received into the church.

Which parish?

Err NVM, its St. Sophia's apparently.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

He's pro-gay. That makes him OINO. Orthodox in name only! LOL. OINO!

 

[Wgw]

He's pro-gay. That makes him OINO. Orthodox in name only! LOL. OINO!

Or one could say "Nominally Orthodox" and avoid making a sound akin to the mating cry of a javelina.

 

[buzuxi02]

Both are appropriate. Some just convert to marry an Orthodox spouse. The baseball player Alexander Rodriguez comes to mind.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

I don't think I've heard mating cries from those critters! LOL. I imagined "rrrreeeeeeear!" LOL

Or one could say "Nominally Orthodox" and avoid making a sound akin to the mating cry of a javelina.

 

[GregConstantine]

It falls on their bishop. One can complain that Goarch has not been as proactive about this as, say, the Church of Greece, the MP, ROCOR or Antioch.

I know that, but it doesn't happen, that's my point. the only time I ever see bishops move quickly and decisively is when there's a legal issue and possible lawsuits/jailtime is looming on the horizon.

 

[gzt]

I don't think somebody supporting gay marriage turns them into "Orthodox in name only", though it certainly is perhaps what JM calls "liberalism". There is also some nuance here before getting into whether it's something a good Orthodox (which is a different question) can support - for instance, are they just talking about legal rights, or are they making a moral claim about homosexual intercourse? I don't know if the former is de fide.

 

[Orthodoxjay1]

I know that, but it doesn't happen, that's my point. the only time I ever see bishops move quickly and decisively is when there's a legal issue and possible lawsuits/jailtime is looming on the horizon.

sadly I think there is truth to it. I hear the stories since going to a GOARCH church, not about our church, but other ones in GOARCH. I wonder if I made a mistake switching to GOARCH from ROCOR, for all the talk of the ethnic factor in ROCOR, they seem way more Traditional, and Conservative, this is just a observation after attending both GOARCH, and ROCOR.

P.S. - I love most the folks in my GOARCH, and respect the priest as a standup Orthodox priest, I just think GOARCH seem less traditional, and more relaxed. Plus a lot scandals here in the states seem to be amongst some in OCA, and the Greek parishes/Churches.

 

[ZaidaBoBaida]

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Obviously, I'm not on Rus' FB friend's list, but I know sometimes my reluctance to comment on things like this on Facebook is that then it appears as ZaidaBoBaida commented on Rus' post, and everyone on my friends list can not only see it - but comment on it! I really wouldn't want to subject anyone to that.

What is GOARCH?

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Nope. They're OUTTA HERE!! LOL!

Like sodomy? We're giving you the boot!!

I don't think somebody supporting gay marriage turns them into "Orthodox in name only", though it certainly is perhaps what JM calls "liberalism". There is also some nuance here before getting into whether it's something a good Orthodox (which is a different question) can support - for instance, are they just talking about legal rights, or are they making a moral claim about homosexual intercourse? I don't know if the former is de fide.

 

[gzt]

sadly I think there is truth to it. I hear the stories since going to a GOARCH church, not about our church, but other ones in GOARCH. I wonder if I made a mistake switching to GOARCH from ROCOR, for all the talk of the ethnic factor in ROCOR, they seem way more Traditional, and Conservative, this is just a observation after attending both GOARCH, and ROCOR.

P.S. - I love most the folks in my GOARCH, and respect the priest as a standup Orthodox priest, I just think GOARCH seem less traditional, and more relaxed. Plus a lot scandals here in the states seem to be amongst some in OCA, and the Greek parishes/Churches.

Are the brands of "Traditional" and "Conservative" required to be Orthodox or be right? I mean, you can always find somebody more hardcore than what you're seeing. And it's always easy to make more rules and get rid of people who disagree. There are people who try to turn their parishes into monastic fantasy camp.

 

[gzt]

Nope. They're OUTTA HERE!! LOL!

Like sodomy? We're giving you the boot!!

The latter - making claims about the morality of homosexual intercourse - would certainly put somebody on shaky grounds as somebody in dissent about a doctrine, but that is still far from being Orthodox in name only. So the former - supporting some legal rights - is even farther from that, and I don't see where it, by necessity, is incompatible with Orthodox doctrine, since it does not, by necessity, make moral claims contrary to the received teachings of the Orthodox faith.

Hope that helps. Have a nice day.

 

[Orthodoxjay1]

Are the brands of "Traditional" and "Conservative" required to be Orthodox or be right? I mean, you can always find somebody more hardcore than what you're seeing. And it's always easy to make more rules and get rid of people who disagree. There are people who try to turn their parishes into monastic fantasy camp.

Whoa there gzt, all I pointed out is that ROCOR pretty traditional, and conservative compared to GOARCH, now your talking about people turning the parish in fantasy land, and mini monasteries. You ok?

 

[gzt]

Are you okay? You're worrying about the trade from ROCOR to GOARCH because you deem one to not be "Traditional" or "Conservative", which is about branding and not the gospel of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ.

 

[buzuxi02]

ROCOR bishops tend to be monastics. They are more rigid, always have been. The GOARCH is too modern, relying on those that have become (financially or politically) successful here in America, their voices tend to be louder than they should.

 

[Orthodoxjay1]

Are you okay? You're worrying about the trade from ROCOR to GOARCH because you deem one to not be "Traditional" or "Conservative", which is about branding and not the gospel of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Hold on because I point out that ROCOR is more conservative, I'm now "branding", you know I didn't say I was leaving, and even said I love most in my Church and the priest was awesome right?, I'll just bow out of this conversation if the tone I am catching from you gzt is any sign of where this is going. All I did was give my opinion, now I'm accused of "branding"

 

[gzt]

"Conservative" and "Traditional" are branding. Have fun, though. But I would just say that switching from ROCOR to GOARCH isn't a mistake unless you don't like Greek. Nor is the opposite.

 

[Orthodoxjay1]

"Conservative" and "Traditional" are branding. Have fun, though. But I would just say that switching from ROCOR to GOARCH isn't a mistake unless you don't like Greek. Nor is the opposite.

No it not branding, it a definition on what kind of parish/Church it is, I was only thinking in my post did I make the right choice switching, that's all I meant, and nobody said anything about liking or not liking Greeks. Where are you getting this stuff from?