Creationist thoughts on dinosaurs?

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Look.

I'll just do you a favor and vacate the thread.

How's that?

Please do so.

 

[ruthiesea]

Prior to the flood life expectancy was much longer - that is why animals, especially reptiles grew very large. As life expectancy dropped after the flood, the size of animals greatly reduced also. That is why you no longer have dinosaurs today. There was no comet and it wasn’t millions of years ago.

Animals do not grow throughout life. They reach full size and then stop growing.

 

[AV1611VET]

Please do so.

/thread

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Animals do not grow throughout life. They reach full size and then stop growing.

No, crocodiles and alligators do grow throughout their lives, since there are some absolutely MASSIVE specimens out there. They just do it incredibly slowly. There was the Saltwater Crocodile called Lolong, and he came in at 20.7 feet from snout to tail. But, like many modern animals, square cube law is in effect and he died because his zoo pool kept getting drained and water acts as a buoyancy aid for certain larger animals.

Though of course everything stops growing when they die.

 

[Shemjaza]

To be fair, I didn't set this up as a debate thread. I just asked because I was curious.

Yeah, I appologise.

Not my intent to derail.

 

[durangodawood]

Ye flood drowned the ichthyosaurs and mososaurs?

Maybe they needed salt water and the great flood drastically reduced the ocean's salinity?

(Just trying to be helpful.)

 

[Astrophile]

Like, I know there's the claim that dinosaurs were around at the time of Noah but were denied access to the ark, but I've not seen anyone go into details on why that is. Which then also precludes that either dinosaurs existed in Eden or where created some time after.

I'm just curious is all.

Since most, if not all, dinosaurs had feathers, the authors of the Bible might have classified them as birds. In Genesis 6:20, God tells Noah to take two of every sort of bird (presumably, therefore, including dinosaurs) into the ark to keep them alive. However, in Genesis 7:3, God tells Noah to take 'seven pairs of the birds of the air' into the ark, presumably meaning only flying birds. This would exclude not only most species of non-avian dinosaurs but ostriches, cassowaries, emus, rheas, kiwis, kakapos, moas, penguins, great auks, dodos, and all other species of flightless birds.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Since most, if not all, dinosaurs had feathers, the authors of the Bible might have classified them as birds. In Genesis 6:20, God tells Noah to take two of every sort of bird (presumably, therefore, including dinosaurs) into the ark to keep them alive. However, in Genesis 7:3, God tells Noah to take 'seven pairs of the birds of the air' into the ark, presumably meaning only flying birds. This would exclude not only most species of non-avian dinosaurs but ostriches, cassowaries, emus, rheas, kiwis, kakapos, moas, penguins, great auks, dodos, and all other species of flightless birds.

That's a very post hoc logic for it.

Also, not really a creationist answer. I am after the creationist views on dinosaurs.

 

[Kylie]

Those layers aren't as chronologically deep as you think they are.

Evidence please.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Evidence please.

No, please don't since this thread isn't for that sort of thing.

I'm asking a set question on this thread, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Platte]

Animals do not grow throughout life. They reach full size and then stop growing.

That is absolutely false. Most fish, sharks, repitiles - and many others grow their entire life

 

[Platte]

And yet the largest creature that we have evidence for is alive today - the Blue Whale. This seems to go against the whole "body size decreased after the flood" idea you've got.

Look up lions, pigs, rhino and pretty much every other animal. They have super size fossils of all of them. Great big elephants and tigers and of course huge sharks. But we don’t see them that size anymore. Imagine a blue whale 1000 years old. Would be way more massive than it is today

 

[Platte]

Dinosaurs were structured differently to modern animals.
Dinosaurs came in sizes from tiny to titanic.
Not a single modern species is ever found in the same layers as a dinosaur.
Dinosaurs bones have fossilised and turned to stone.

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I appologise, I did not intend to turn this into an antagonistic debate. But please look into the size and structure of dinosaur fossils some time.

I’m sure some were structure different. But there are many massive fossils of lion, tigers, elephants, sharks, etc. what would a Komodo dragan look like if it was growing for 1000 years. Probably would have some changes in structure.

 

[Platte]

Dinosaurs were structured differently to modern animals.
Dinosaurs came in sizes from tiny to titanic.
Not a single modern species is ever found in the same layers as a dinosaur.
Dinosaurs bones have fossilised and turned to stone.

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I appologise, I did not intend to turn this into an antagonistic debate. But please look into the size and structure of dinosaur fossils some time.

By the way almost all fossils are of extinct animals. So of course modern fossils wouldn’t be in the same layer (there are no modern animal fossils). Imagine a flood that killed every animal on earth at the same time. Billions of animals all die. No scavengers to clean up. Many buried in sediment. Animals that lived much longer than they do today and were much larger. Not surprising that almost all fossils are huge compared to today animals. This scenario has really messed with the minds of scientists. And this is how they’ve treated this. Remember. All animals in earth died at the same time. That’s your fossils

 

[Kylie]

Look up lions, pigs, rhino and pretty much every other animal. They have super size fossils of all of them. Great big elephants and tigers and of course huge sharks. But we don’t see them that size anymore. Imagine a blue whale 1000 years old. Would be way more massive than it is today

So what? All that means is that the conditions were once able to support creatures of that size, and now the best fit for the environment is to have creatures of modern sizes.

You need to provide evidence that there was a flood, and that life expectancy decreased afterwards as a result. Same with body size.

 

[Platte]

So what? All that means is that the conditions were once able to support creatures of that size, and now the best fit for the environment is to have creatures of modern sizes.

You need to provide evidence that there was a flood, and that life expectancy decreased afterwards as a result. Same with body size.

There is so much information on evidence of a world-wide flood - google search and thousands come up. This really isn't the discussion to provide evidence of a flood....but the things I am saying do provide evidence of a flood (the fact that there are so many fossil records is what I would expect if a flood occured - billions of animals all dying at the same time - many buried in flood debri and sediment)...the fact that most of the fossils indicate much larger animals in the past would be evidence that animals lived longer - since that is the most common reason for animals being larger....look at the largest elephant, shark, etc in the world today and most likely it is one of the oldest of that species.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

There is so much information on evidence of a world-wide flood - google search and thousands come up. This really isn't the discussion to provide evidence of a flood....but the things I am saying do provide evidence of a flood (the fact that there are so many fossil records is what I would expect if a flood occured - billions of animals all dying at the same time - many buried in flood debri and sediment)...the fact that most of the fossils indicate much larger animals in the past would be evidence that animals lived longer - since that is the most common reason for animals being larger....look at the largest elephant, shark, etc in the world today and most likely it is one of the oldest of that species.

Okay, that's all well and good. But let's not go further into this topic since, as you said, it isn't the time and place for it.

This is just a thread asking creationists about their opinions/personal theories/etc on dinosaurs.

 

[Kylie]

There is so much information on evidence of a world-wide flood - google search and thousands come up. This really isn't the discussion to provide evidence of a flood....but the things I am saying do provide evidence of a flood (the fact that there are so many fossil records is what I would expect if a flood occured - billions of animals all dying at the same time - many buried in flood debri and sediment)...the fact that most of the fossils indicate much larger animals in the past would be evidence that animals lived longer - since that is the most common reason for animals being larger....look at the largest elephant, shark, etc in the world today and most likely it is one of the oldest of that species.

There is literally zero evidence that there was ever a flood that covered the entire world, and certainly not while Humans have existed on this planet. At best there is evidence of large scale local floods, but nothing that would fit a literal interpretation of the Bible. The fossil record does not support a large scale worldwide flood either, it shows all the signs of having formed over a great period of time, not in a short time.

If you would like to have a discussion about the evidence for a worldwide flood, I'd be happy to talk about it if you start a thread on the topic.

 

[Platte]

There is literally zero evidence that there was ever a flood that covered the entire world, and certainly not while Humans have existed on this planet. At best there is evidence of large scale local floods, but nothing that would fit a literal interpretation of the Bible. The fossil record does not support a large scale worldwide flood either, it shows all the signs of having formed over a great period of time, not in a short time.

If you would like to have a discussion about the evidence for a worldwide flood, I'd be happy to talk about it if you start a thread on the topic.

What area of the world are you implying was not covered by Noah's flood?

Can you imagine the carnage that a world wide flood would cause...a massive tragedy of epic proportions. Billions of animals killed at the same time. Buried under massive sediment. You don't think that would be a perfect condition to created millions of fossils?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

What area of the world are you implying was not covered by Noah's flood?

Can you imagine the carnage that a world wide flood would cause...a massive tragedy of epic proportions. Billions of animals killed at the same time. Buried under massive sediment. You don't think that would be a perfect condition to created millions of fossils?

It's not, but also this is not the place for a discussion or debate on this topic.