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Featured Church of Sweden to formally stop referring to God as "he"

Discussion in 'Current News & Events' started by badatusernames, Nov 24, 2017.

  1. Vicomte13

    Vicomte13 Well-Known Member

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    No one gets out of this world alive. God kills us all, sooner or later. That's the bad news.
    The good news is that once we stop breathing - once our final breath, which is spirit, passes from us - we wake up. We cannot keep the breath bound to the flesh forever. Eventually the animating breath passes from the body for good and the body falls to pieces. But that is not the end of the story.
     
  2. discipler7

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    Except that most affected people know where a hurricane and its fierce winds comes from and where it goes, eg via satellite tracking.

    In fact, we can make our own wind with air-cons, electrical fans or just hand-held paper fans. Does that mean people fanning themselves with such wind have been born of the Spirit/wind.?
     
  3. The Times

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    Right!

    I am talking about the Temple of THEOLA that the new Luciferean age will usher in. The very sacred or devine feminine that will be the image of worship, just like the Israelites were deceived to make an image to her and to bow down to her in worship.

    We are dealing with those who push an androgynous society. The servants of Satan want to recreate another entirely different race of people in their own image, much like how the fascists wanted a super human race, through their mad scientists. I would liken it to their science fiction resident evil psychological operation films, that depict a super human race, void of any human characteristics.

    The point being, is that all the events that are unfolding are being pushed onto society by the quantum artificial intelligence based industrial complex that knows how humans think, behave and respond, because they have been doing psychological operations, whilst using mind altering drugs in theatres like the Burning Man, Woodstock and many others like night clubs and music festivals amongst many MK Uktra experiments, in determining how they can mind bend humans like sheep, into accepting their world view.

    When I see Christians succumb to this mind bending control, I see how they respond by trying to bend and or negate scripture to restore harmony with the induced perturbed state of mind, because they have been spiritually compromised by the AI industrial complex. Don't think that AI is now in development, for it has been a platform working and improving its algorithm for the last 50 years, by gathering data from human interactions. Today the likes of Facebook is its cloud base for understanding interactions and by using it in determining the next chest move, in further manipulating humanity to the final end goal of the Luciferean Utopia for the elites. Don't think that Bill Gates or the Facebook founders are entrepreneurs, they are mere operatives or assets used to put a face behind the facade.

    All this is called predictive programming of the mind and those who embrace what we see in mainstream media, have been compromised and we must route them out immediately least they effect others within the flock of Christ.
     
  4. Strong in Him

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    Neither I, nor anyone here on earth, is a second century BC Bedouin.
    Once upon a time they thought thunder was caused by God moving furniture; I suppose you want us to believe that too?

    Yes I'm sure that's what they thought then; but it isn't.

    Jesus said that the Holy Spirit is LIKE the wind - in that no one knows where it has come from or is going. He didn't say that the Spirit IS the wind; neither does any other verse.
    We have hurricanes today in the world. The wind can be destructive, take lives, make people homeless, disabled or disadvantaged - even believers. While the Holy Spirit can be powerful, he does not destroy people; he helps Christians and leads unbelievers to Jesus so they can repent and be forgiven. He is the Spirit of truth, he is depicted as a dove; gentle, and is the comforter. He lives in believers. He will convict us of sin, which may be uncomfortable, but he does not destroy a believer with a strong hurricane like blast.
     
  5. Vicomte13

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    God kills everybody.
     
  6. Vicomte13

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    None of this has ever been about what I want people to believe. It was sharing a viewpoint. It seems to have bothered you, so I will go away and stop sharing it now.

    There is no need to work each other up over what the other believes. You don't believe what I do, and for my part, what other people believe does not annoy me, because I don't care much.

    Anyway, you have a good holiday season. It is time to well and truly depart this convo.
     
  7. Strong in Him

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    Only because I can't understand why Jesus saying that the wind was LIKE the Holy Spirit is enough of a reason for you to teach that it is definitely so.
    It doesn't stand up Scripturally, and if you told any non Christian that the wind was God breathing on them, they'd have even less reason to believe in him - especially if they'd just been hit by a flying object.
     
  8. Strong in Him

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    No; most people's lives end through illness or old age. Death and decay came into the world when sin did - they are man's fault, not God's.
    Other people are killed through accidents, or violence. The latter is man's fault - God doesn't force people to use guns or to drink/drive.
     
  9. discipler7

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    I don't think it was God who actually killed Jesus Christ on the Cross.
     
  10. Vicomte13

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    That is indeed what you think, yes.
     
  11. The Times

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    We do need to know the mind of Jesus, this is where a real and tangible relationship grows, that is I in him and he in me.

    Go back and re-read the word of God and discern what Jesus wants of us. Thank you.

    Correct.

    No, that is not what I said. I repeat, that to associate with a person who wilfully continues in a lifestyle of sin is sinning by association.

    Jesus association with sinners is to reconcile them back to the Father, by getting them to turn back from their wicked ways. He would not continue his association with sinners who wilfully continued a lifestyle of sin, after having given them the ultimatum to repent or else, as scripture clearly highlights his reaction and condemnatiom of the people of the cities who rejected his ultimatum and continued in their sinful lifestyles.

    yes, just like the tax collector and the prostitute etc. The Pharisees and the Scribes are a perfect example of those who continued to reject his ultimatum, thereby sinning against the Holy God. He never ate with them, even when he said unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:20), because what they did was a wilful lifestyle of sin, that Jesus could not stand. Imagine the peoples of Capernaum amongst others and discern how angry Jesus was of those who wilfully live a flagrant lifestyle of sin.

    Do you know the mind of Jesus Christ?

    You and others ought to friends.

    Yes! The Holy Bible in its entirety. As I recommended that you go back and re-read the Word of God and discern how sharp and cutting is his metron (measure).

    Don't mess with him!

    Are you sure!

    Really, are you serious!
    You are implying he was doing it for the fun of it to pass his time, or the food and drinks were good.

    Is not your statement below condescending towards our Lord and saviour....

    "don't worry guys, I'm only doing it so they will repent"

    As I said previously....."don't mess with him!"

    This is preposterous speech, that implies a distrust in the Lord, for the purpose of lowering confidence in his almighty works and almighty ways. Your remarks are condescending and should be retracted.

    As I said previously....."don't mess with him!"

    Really!

    They wilfully sinned and that is why Jesus never sat or ate with them, as I previously mentioned. Their action was a testimony of their continued wilful sinful lifestyles. Highlight the word wilful please.

    That, there and then should tell you that God has spoken, for God would not have said those words unless it is known to him that this woman has turned from her days of
    Prostitution.

    Do you have confidence in your Lord and saviour my friend?

    This foreign and preposterous speech, is pure loss of confidence in the Lord. Where is your faith in the Lord?

    You have ripped the context. There is no reply because you did this deliberately, why?

    You are trying to justify sin in this speech and I will not entertain this rhetoric.

    Totally illogical and misinformed to say the least. Know the mind of Jesus and then report back.

    Absolutely! You didn't know that!

    That is why he didn't associate with the Pharisees and the scribes because they didn't listen and repent as he said.....

    There is one greater than all and you do not come to me. Coming to Jesus is to understand his mind and to be one with him in heart. For a person cannot wilfully continue in sin and still claim to be one with Jesus. This is the strong delusion.

    Absolutely! For repentance and doing the will of the Father is mandatory.

    Ha ha ha! Really!

    You must be joking!

    So, repent and do the will of the Father, that is if that person is at all genuine in what he/she says or believes.

    God judges the heart. The Pharisees thought they were in. How wrong they were.

    You know.

    Help them grow in sin? How preposterous to do such a thing and it is considered counterproductive to the gospel of repentance onto salvation through Christ Jesus.

    They don't need water or food, they need to be one with Jesus.

    Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers. (Matthew 7)

    Fine.

    Logical fallacy. Jesus did not associate with the Pharisees and the Scribes even if they taught righteousness. God does not love everyone!

    Jesus replied, "All who love me will do what I say. My Father will love them, and we will come and make our home with each of them. (John 14)

    Which god and what gospel are you preaching from?

    Woe to the Unrepentant
    (Luke 10:13-16)

    20Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not: 21Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. 22But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you. 23And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. 24But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee. (Matthew 11)

    This is a different topic, so please don't venture off.

    This is not what I meant by using the term association. Association means to sit down and to be friends and to have a meal together and in your heart, you no longer see that individual as wilfully living a sinful lifestyle, but one that you now embrace and then later defend. This is exactly the path the fallen churches have followed. In this regard they become complicit in the willful crimes against God and are also sinning by association and have foresaken the covenant of his Son.

    The example you have given is a missionary work, not to be confused with the term association. In your heart you still see that individual separated from God.

    Sure! But at what risk and at what cost. Why throw yourself into the lions den if you don't have to?

    Maybe because you like to! Hmmmmn.....food for thought.....

    That is why Lot's wife turned back, because she missed the company of the sinners left behind in the city. If you turn your back on Jesus, it maybe be at your own peril and your last. Think about it for a moment.
     
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  12. Vicomte13

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    The laws of physics are God's direct law. We die from the direct functioning of God's law. In every case without exception. God can, and sometimes does, simply reach in and override the physics because he wants to. This is called a miracle. He usually doesn't, which allows natural law - which is his law and his action - to run its normal course. What nature does is not outside of the scope of God.

    If we were going to have an argument about the difference between what you believe and what I believe, that would be the starting point: the physics and what the natural law and nature IS.

    But it would be a bruising discussion, and that is not necessary.
     
  13. Vicomte13

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    I know you don't.
     
  14. seventysevens

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    Agreed , It cause me to think about the the frog in water , ya know water temps slowing and gradually gets hotter and it is so gradual the frog does not even notice the temp is increasing as the water cooks the frogs internals until it dies in the water
    also these older videos came to mind as to how people can be pulled into doctrines without realizing what is really behind the scenes

     
  15. RDKirk

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    God has neither penis nor uterus, so God is "physically neither male nor female."
     
  16. RDKirk

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    I don't know about the UK, but the US is slightly over 50% female (especially at my age), so femininity is prevalent here, too.

    If it's not in the UK, I feel sorry for you, 'cause women are wonderful.
     
  17. seventysevens

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    When the Creator of the universe and all other things calls Himself Father it is a masculine presence without a doubt
    Seems all Angels are represented as males as well
    The First human to be created was Male
    When Almighty God became human He IS Male Christ Jesus is a Male
     
  18. RDKirk

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    The Church of Sweden is urging its clergy to use gender-neutral language when referring to the supreme deity, refraining from using terms such as “Lord” and “he” in favour of the less specific “God.”

    I don't know how Swedish handles gender--whether it can define a person in pronoun without gender. I also can't tell from that article what they'd do with the concept of "Father" within the Trinity.

    And I note that the Church of Sweden is merely "urging," not commanding under pain of ecclesiastic consequence.
     
  19. RDKirk

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    Are you just ignoring the word "physically" that was explicitly used by the OP?
     
  20. seventysevens

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    Do you really need a further explanation?
     
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