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I thought it was obvious given the way I said it and the reference I made but I will take it under advisement....not sure how it will help given how poorly some here have read my posts but considering your advice nonetheless
really? I've been waiting two days now and you refuse....then ask me to defend something I didn't say....seems to me you have had plenty of time. Ah well, I'm still waiting and anxious to see the correction you want to offer of the things I said that you just repeated as if I never said them. Please do go on...
not at all...my point was that the HS indwelling is one form or definition of temple, as in the dwelling place of God. Which is a beautiful picture of God's relationship with the believer who is following God. You see, the dwelling place of God is to be a place/house of prayer and since the believer is to pray without ceasing what we see in the analogy is that the believer is to be in constant fellowship with God.
Remember when I said I expected more from you that to twist my words and contradict yourself? That is because you and I were getting along just fine and having a wonderful discussion up to that point. Now you refuse to address issues and twist what is said and contradict yourself then accuse me with no evidence of me being what changed. IOW's when we were getting along you were discussing scripture without contradiction and without false accusations. It is not me who changed, but you which is why I expected more from you. And before you try to return to the "me being the problem argument", I told you long ago that I disagreed with you on some things but that did nothing at all to hurt our getting along.
Again, I ask...
where do you get the idea that that is what I think or implied when I said nothing at all about works vs. grace or anything else related to the topic....that discussion was between you and another poster so why would you apply someone else's comments to me as if I said them? Ah well, I have called you out on that type of thing before and you ignored it to accuse me of all kinds of nasty things.
it is a bit too much to try to address all of that at once, so please bear with me as I explain as best I can what I see as at the root of our confusion.
That is a good job of explaining your stand that you have done in this post. Thank you.
lol I didn't think it was necessary since you provided them for me by way of disagreeing by agreeing....oh well, you are supposedly explaining how the temple/different buildings and the temple/Christ and the temple/the place of prayer and the temple/dwelling place of God etc. are all the same temple so that context is not necessary for us to know what temple is being talked about....you know, like you claimed they were all the same thing but then showed different meanings. I mean here is the thing...I do not always post passages that seem pretty common, ordinary passages when talking to people who are supposedly learned in scripture. For example, when I am talking to someone who supposedly is well versed and studied in scripture and I say, "scripture says that all have sinned and come short of the gospel" I don't see any reason to cut and paste the passage into the text because it is such a common passage. I have taken this approach because of the studies God has called me into. You see, if I post every single passage reference that applies to the topic it becomes more than anyone but me is willing to look into. Some things in scripture are just so well documented that learned people should know them without me quoting a dozen or more passages to support it. Like for example, the notion of temple....it should be painfully obvious that there are more than one temples given scripture talking about the rebuilding of temple, Christ being the temple, the body....etc. If you needed all the passages why did you talk about the same ones I would have used to defend what I said? You know it is very curious that you disagree in the first place given that everything you said was in agreement and every passage you posted supported what I said....do you still want me to find a dozen or so scriptures to back up my claim? I will if you want....I really thought you knew more scripture than to require that but if you are not so learned in scripture as I thought I would be happy to find the passages and list them. I do sometimes on these boards get into trouble by giving people the benefit of the doubt in things like their personal relationship with God and their understanding of scripture especially those that try to put others down for their "lack of knowledge" even when that is unfounded.
hum...nothing to focus a comment on? I said that there were several different means to the word temple and the only way to know which was being talked about was to look at the context. The focus should have been on how context clarifies which temple we are talking about which would be different for every passage we wanted to look at.
wow, you don't even know that passage especially after I did post the passage...interesting from someone so "learned"....there are several references to them, do you want them all? I Kings 8; Matthew 21:13; Isaiah 56:7; Mark 11:17; Luke 19:46 I really can't believe you have never read these passages......how very odd from a learned and studied man.
lol listen to yourself here...you assume that you are the only one who understands spiritual things...why would you make such an assumption? Seriously that is crazy boastful and arrogant and sinful. And yes, you are contradicting yourself but that is easy to do when one makes such assumptions without cause.
lol Do you want to hear about patience? I have a lot of stories I can share with you from the amount of time I put into study and waiting for God to speak to me to the people I deal with everyday. Even you sir are a test of patience when you make assumptions of being some special spiritual prodigy when all you offer is milk that you yourself contradict from one post to the next. How about a discussion about the meat of scripture...or are you so spiritual you are not yet ready for such a discussion?
”razzelflabben post 448” said:
This is the point we disagree on. My point is that all of the temples of Israel which are not evil temples are all but shadows of the one temple which is the body of Christ. And as I said once before, this is why we never see more than one of those temples in existence at any one time throughout the history of ancient Israel.”razzelflabben post 448” said:
”razzelflabben post 448” said:
no need to backtrack I remember the post....what I said was that your method of getting to the conclusion you did was wrong and you needed to be careful about such things. There was no defending anything or anyone other than a solid method of coming to the conclusions that we do. Something that I challenged you on previously which meant that it did apply to our discussion.
lol...by saying ALL the temples of Israel you start off contradicting yourself. Oh well, on to the new topic you want to bring into the discussion...that of evil temples...you are the only one who said anything about evil temples and this is the first time you brought it up for discussion.
this doesn't affect what I said at all in any way. I said nothing at all about why there were different meanings to the word temple or what those were. In fact, I assumed that a learned person in the word would already know the what's and why. You know, giving you the benefit of the doubt since you seem to have a genuine faith in God. I can always be wrong I guess, but when someone says they genuinely believe and/or study the word of God I generally assume that to be true rather than falsely accuse them as you are doing with me. In fact, I believe accusing otherwise is against forum rules.
that is a totally different discussion than the one you and I are currently having. Let's finish this discussion we are having before starting another one.
again, off topic...our discussion at this point is limited to the claims I made and you challenged. To repeat the claims you challenged just so you don't claim you missed them.
It has no bearing on what you want to discuss but has everything to do with what I said that you took offense to. If you want to talk about something different then you need to present the new topic and ask me if I want to discuss it with you not ask me to be a mind reader.
lol now you add another temple meaning to what you previously said....lolThose temples are the Hebrew word, “raqqah”, which merely means, 'thinness, i.e. the side of the head.' It is an entirely different Hebrew word. There is no correlation. And the only temple there is for us is the one spoken of at Isaiah 56:7 wherein all peoples who worship God dwell together. I do not know why you wish to complicate matters by claiming there are many different temples. There is one God and there is one temple. One God only needs one temple. And that one temple sets figuratively atop mount Zion. There is only one mount Zion in the spiritual even as there is only one physical mount Zion. If you find me annoying, just remember, 'Everybody has to be good at something.'
Right there you are showing treachery toward me. You know full well that over the course of time there were temples built by different people but only ever one in existence at any one time.
I was afraid to tell her that. LOL. But I wanted to.
well there were more temples than one at any given time, even today there are multiple temples but only one temple at a time of the Living God. But pointing that out to people who seem to forget the basics of scripture is NOT treachery but rather Love. You would do well to learn the difference from the standpoint of Biblical Love.
lol I wasn't wrong and quite frankly there have been things I said that you could "correct" me on as it were, but that the word temple has multiple meanings and we know the intent by looking at context just shows that your determined to both argue and accuse me falsely which brings into question just how mature in Christ you really are since scripture speaks out harshly against both.
lol I trust God because He promises to be found by all who seek Him and since I seek Him both diligently and humbly I have nothing to fear. I pray you find the strength to do the same...though I don't foresee it any time soon I do pray that you learn to seek God in diligent seeking after truth with humility rather than the pride you attacked me with.
amen, which is why I pray that your eyes are open because you don't have time to insist on the prideful display you have shown me.
lol my husband expected this accusation long before this...which by the way, when you study about woman's roles in the Church is says that they are not to usurp their authority over men...a similar warning is given to men....it does not say they are not to teach. In fact, the wife of noble character teaches at the city gates with the men.
news flash: My husband is the first person to ever point out to me that the woman of God is not someone who allows men to belittle her and insult her and the God who calls her. He is the first one who pointed out to me that there was more to the passage about women teaching and that I needed to humble myself enough to study it so that I could be faithful to God's call on my life. But I wouldn't expect either of you to understand that because neither of you show evidence of listening to anything but your own emotional responses to being called to hold to what God says without reading into it what is not there.I was afraid to tell her that. LOL. But I wanted to.
Back in those posts where she spoke of her husband defending her against what you were saying to her I thought to myself that her husband knew what is good for him.
