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news flash: My husband is the first person to ever point out to me that the woman of God is not someone who allows men to belittle her and insult her and the God who calls her. He is the first one who pointed out to me that there was more to the passage about women teaching and that I needed to humble myself enough to study it so that I could be faithful to God's call on my life. But I wouldn't expect either of you to understand that because neither of you show evidence of listening to anything but your own emotional responses to being called to hold to what God says without reading into it what is not there.

Remember this this one? Sure you must.


As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd
called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth
and nursed you.”

He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the
word of God and obey it. ”
Lk 11:27-28​


What the Greek text reveals?

This woman had rudely interrupted the Lord's discourse... and drew attention to her sense of importance as a woman. Like many do today.

And, Jesus response was?

(the Greek gives quite a different picture than the watered down English translation)

It would read something more like this.

Dead wrong! Obsolutely NOT! But blessed are those who
hear the word
of God and OBEY it!

He shut her up right before the crowd. Humiliated her!

He was telling here she was not being obedient to God's will. To be quiet and learn ,,,, and then obey what is being taught.

Now... If a woman can do that with the Lord? How much easier for you with us mere believers? Its easier if that is the trend in your own sin nature. One you need to come to grips with if you are ever to progress in spiritual maturity in Christ. I pray you do. God's grace works most effectively in our weaknesses.

Jesus was publicly denouncing her actions. For, she had literally interrupted the Lord of Life, only to draw attention to herself by what she said! She derailed the subject! It was RUDE! But?.. She felt justified as she looked at her women friends nearby! She felt justified and flushed with pride, until the Lord ripped into her!

She needed to be put in her place by the Lord. Just like anyone else... be a man, or a woman. We all do at times. He is the Word made flesh. We must abide in the Word to please Him.

Christianity is not for pampering egos as many find it to be today. If God is to be effectively working in our lives there comes a time to level with someone and send them to their room without dinner. So, they can think it over choose to change what needs to be changed, if they are ever to become transformed into the image of Christ.

As it stands right now? For you to win? Guarantees you will lose what God wants you to have and become.
 
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Its HOW you teach. You are teaching from your own authority. Its not as one repeating what had been taught to you by someone who has the authority.
lol God doesn't have authority to teach us now at least according to this boast of yours. I told you plainly on several occasions, God Himself called me to study and teach...He confirmed it in a few ways that I could not ignore...He further equipped me in ways I could not equip myself...and all this after I fought Him on the matter for it is not what I wanted.

So your accusation is then that God does not have the authority to teach...which seems odd from someone who claims to be a scholar...might I suggest is that you don't like the fact that God has called me and equipped me....that would be a much more accurate statement or maybe you don't like the fact that I teach with the authority of God behind me....take your pick.
You right now have a problem with the Holy Spirit in you. Not me. He is grieved in you. Not me.
For, I abide in and I am set free by the truth. You can teach. But not with AUTHORITY over a man.
lol well since that is not what scripture says and scripture is the very word of God I will dismiss your claim as nothing more than the words of Satan trying to stop me from following after my Lord and King with passion, humility, and Love. How sad to see Satan use such people as yourself to stop others from sharing the gospel of Christ in accordance with His will and plan.
You have a sin nature like we all do. When you are not filled with the Spirit it becomes evident when that nature comes out. Its time for you to face that truth if you ever want to stand before the Lord and be told. "Well done, good and faithful servant."

Jesus said...

"Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said:
“Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and
take up their cross and follow me."
Mark 8:34​
lol...funny story...I go out of my way to make sure I am humble enough to hear the words of God...I see where I fall...while my husband proclaims loudly that he has never known anyone as humble as I am.

You really should not only take your own advice but listen to what is being said before passing judgement because as you should remember, scripture says...Matthew 7:1-2
You refuse to let that part of you die? Its coming out right here in the forum. Its even harder to do if you are not under someone who knows how to teach well and richly. A women is the weaker vessel. That means she has an insatiable desire to be filled with truth... If you are not getting it? A woman can become bossy if that is where her sin nature resides. Its an attempt to find a feeling of justification and satisfaction that has been missing in ones life. Its not the way of the Lord, though.
lol oh how little you know and understand.

For years and years and years I allowed myself to be a doormat so that I could be a "woman in submission". That also opened the door for years and years and years of abuse by people just like you. One day, my husband said...your wrong, study scripture for yourself and tell me where it says that you should submit yourself to such evil. So I did...then God said, "let me teach you." so I did...I could tell you some amazing stories of how God has humbled me but the one thing I know is that He also emboldened me.....He not only has given me boldness but confidence. In fact, one of the most godly men I know (happened to learn under him in my early years) gave me this passage to hold firmly...Luke 10:19...shall I post passages for you about the boldness Christ has for all believers to live in? Just because you are wrong doesn't mean that every woman that speaks out against you is going against God...you see, God is God, you are not.
I am not trying to belittle you. I wish to see you become big in Christ. Getting your way... is?

Your way.
lol...I don't get my way very often...in fact, I can't even remember the last time I got my way.

It's just like the teaching on woman...if I got my way I would not be doing what I am...speaking out against your non sense is another example of me not getting my way. If you knew anything at all about me you would know that these things are contrary to my nature. My nature is one of being the punching bag for everything and everyone just like you tried to do on this thread. But God Himself has called me to be more and that is NOT a calling I am willing to change.
 
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I don't get my way very often...in fact, I can't even remember the last time I got my way.


You should get your way. But, not always. Its healthy. If you never get your way? maybe they explains your compensation here. You both need to find a good pastor. Hard to find. Impossible without prayer.
 
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Remember this this one? Sure you must.


As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “
Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.”

He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.
Luke 11:27-28​
when will you hear the words you speak to me and take them upon yourself. I am listening to God...you my dear friend are not...for if you were you would not make the accusations you have.
What the Greek text reveals? She interrupted the Lord's discourse... and drew attention to her sense of importance as a woman. Like many do today.
and yet the only way you know I am a woman is my profile...in fact, I have yet to find a single person on these boards that knew I was a woman by anything else. In fact, several people have confused me with being a man. I even one time did a writing test that identified gender based on patterns of speech and it too said I was a man according to my pattern of speech.

See, scripture also says this...Galatians 3:28...yet you refuse to hear what God is saying because it interrupts your sense of superiority.
And, Jesus response was?

(the Greek gives quite a different picture than the watered down English translation)

It would read something more like this.

Dead wrong! Obsolutely NOT! But blessed are those who hear the word
of God and OBEY it!
but again you miss the context...the context is that she interrupted not that she spoke...oh well....I grew up with people like you and as promised, God set me free from just such sins.
He shut her up right before the crowd. Humiliated her! He was telling here she was not being obedient to God's will. To be quiet and learn ,,,, and then obey what is being taught. If she can do that with the Lord? How much easier for you with us mere believers? Its easy if that is the trend in your own sin nature. One you need to come to grips with if you are ever to progress in spiritual maturity in Christ.
lol and yet that is exactly the opposite of my fleshly nature....lol isn't that a kick in the pants. My nature and my training was to take what you were dishing out and not say a word, just accept it as truth and never question it...But God saved me, He set me free!!!!! He said, "No more will you listen to the lies of men, it is time to listen to the truths of God"...amen.
Jesus was publicly denouncing her actions. She literally interrupted the Lord of Life to draw attention to herself by what she said! She derailed the subject! It was RUDE! But.. She felt justified!
yep and yet I didn't do that so your example is false from the get go.
Justified and flushed with pride, until the Lord ripped into her!

She needed to be put in her place. Just like anyone else... be a man, or a woman. We all do at times.
here is another problem for you dear friend...it is not up to you to "put anyone in their place" it is up to the inner working of the HS...you know the HS convicts of sin...but take it one step further...even if I am wrong and we both know I am not, it is up to my husband to correct me and he will testify to the fact that you are way out of line.
Christianity is not for pampering egos as many find it to be today. If God is to be effectively working in our lives there comes a time to level with someone and send them to their room without dinner. So, they can think it over choose to change what needs to be changed, if they are ever to become transformed into the image of Christ.
which is what I did with you and you got all sulky like a spoiled little rich kid that has never heard the truths of God before.
As it stands right now? For you to win? Guarantees you will lose what God wants you to have and become.
lol...I already won because I spoke only the truths of God and nothing more or less...you on the other hand refuse to even speak the truths of God much less try to live them out.
 
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You should get your way. But, not always. Its healthy. If you never get your way? maybe they explains your compensation here. You both need to find a good pastor. Hard to find. Impossible without prayer.
lol...you are so out of control it is laughable and sad all at the same time. Seriously this is out of control...I get it that your ego was hurt. I get it that you are prideful and don't want to yield that pride especially when a mere woman points out to you you are wrong. But dear one, until you humble yourself and fall on your face before the Holy Living God you will continue to be as miserable and wrong as you have been in this thread. You need to learn some truth from God and stop trying to play God yourself.
 
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news flash: My husband is the first person to ever point out to me that the woman of God is not someone who allows men to belittle her and insult her and the God who calls her. He is the first one who pointed out to me that there was more to the passage about women teaching and that I needed to humble myself enough to study it so that I could be faithful to God's call on my life. But I wouldn't expect either of you to understand that because neither of you show evidence of listening to anything but your own emotional responses to being called to hold to what God says without reading into it what is not there.
Sorry you feel that way.

You like to have the lead and you do not like to let go of that lead even for a second. Perhaps the solution is for all to agree to validate each others points which are made before giving our view of how it ought to be. I know that when speaking with children the key to getting them talking is to make them feel listened to. Until one has done that you can speak yourself blue in the face and they will only pick up very little of what you said. And I think that could be what I am seeing in you. You don't feel listened to and so you are so focused on trying to be heard that you don't hear us.

I am fairly certain you will turn that around on me but please at least think about it. You have a strong need for validation and you do not feel you are getting that validation from us. That was sort of obvious when way back a number of posts I found that you do respond well when anyone praises you. I don't know how old you are but if you are yet fairly young that need for validation is normal. We (at least most of us) develop thicker skin as we get older and validation becomes far less important to us. But then that can work against us also. For then we sometimes overlook that others we speak to yet need to be helped to feel validated.
 
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Sorry you feel that way.

You like to have the lead and you do not like to let go of that lead even for a second.
again you misrepresent me and what I have said on this thread...in fact, there were many times I wanted to say something but held my tongue so that you all could take the lead. Now, because you changed to topic without letting me know what the new topic was, you feel justified to claim that I have to take the lead...lol man you all are really really really bad at communication.
Perhaps the solution is for all to agree to validate each others points which are made before giving our view of how it ought to be.
which would be fine if I knew what your point you want validated is...I mean changing the topic to something I don't have a clue you are talking about is not easy to validate an understanding of your point.
I know that when speaking with children the key to getting them talking is to make them feel listened to. Until one has done that you can speak yourself blue in the face and they will only pick up very little of what you said. And I think that could be what I am seeing in you. You don't feel listened to and so you are so focused on trying to be heard that you don't hear us.
well...I know you are not listening, but as I previously illuded too, that is all too common in my life and world and so I am used to it. The current issue between you and me is that you changed the topic without letting me know the topic changed then tried not only to tell me what I believe about the new topic but accused me of evils that I never did. Now I am also used to be accused falsely and all but I do have a God given right to call you out on it whether it hurts your pride or not....in fact, it is the kind of thing that God wants you to be uncomfortable with.
I am fairly certain you will turn that around on me but please at least think about it. You have a strong need for validation and you do not feel you are getting that validation from us. That was sort of obvious when way back a number of posts I found that you do respond well when anyone praises you. I don't know how old you are but if you are yet fairly young that need for validation is normal. We (at least most of us) develop thicker skin as we get older and validation becomes far less important to us. But then that can work against us also. For then we sometimes overlook that others we speak to yet need to be helped to feel validated.
lol...not what you saw...first, I am 57 years old and don't care if you validate me or not. Don't care if you agree with me or not. What I do care about is that if we are in a public discussion that it will remain civil (which you did not do) and effective (which you did not do)...that is it. It's a public discussion board, I expect enough general respect to not act like a royal tool every time I challenge what you said.
 
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If you want to understand me and where I am coming from let me tell you two of many stories that will evidence who I am.

I grew up in an abusive household which is btw how I came to Christ. It's kind of a cool story but not necessary for what I want to share with you. In order to find healing in Christ I needed to 1. be humble enough to accept whatever God told me (He told me to stay btw) and 2. be humble enough to forgive (which I have) and 3. be humble enough to accept only that which was truth and discard all the lies that were intended to destroy me. That is why I can say with confidence you both are out of line when it comes to me, because I put a lot of time, effort, prayer, and humility into finding out what is truth and what is lie so that I can take what is mine and discard what is not. The end result of that is that Satan knows it is incredibly easy to convince me that I am to blame when I am not...therefore he often uses that technique to get to me. It takes a great deal of HS power to avoid that scheme of satan in my life but when I do, I know without a shadow of doubt that it is not mine to bear and no amount of temptation to get me to take the lie will work.

The second story I will share with you about who I am that you seem to be missing happened when my father was dying. I got called to the house to say goodbye. When I got to the house my three siblings were already there. I had to walk through where they were sitting (as in the middle of their huddle) to get to the chair that I was sitting in. It took my siblings over 45 mins. to even acknowledge I was in the room even though I walked right through the middle of their conversation. The only reason they acknowledged me then was because my mother spoke to me. I'm used to being ignored and I am use to the abuse I have been shown on this thread, neither is worth the time of day, a lesson God taught me long long ago. What is important is for me to be faithful to Him no matter who challenges me to do otherwise.

So there are two important things about me that you seem to be missing in all your attacks and non sense...I could tell a lot more but even this will be dismissed as an emotional rant from a mere woman if the past is any indication of who you all really are in your hearts.
 
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again you misrepresent me and what I have said on this thread...in fact, there were many times I wanted to say something but held my tongue so that you all could take the lead. Now, because you changed to topic without letting me know what the new topic was, you feel justified to claim that I have to take the lead...lol man you all are really really really bad at communication. which would be fine if I knew what your point you want validated is...I mean changing the topic to something I don't have a clue you are talking about is not easy to validate an understanding of your point. well...I know you are not listening, but as I previously illuded too, that is all too common in my life and world and so I am used to it. The current issue between you and me is that you changed the topic without letting me know the topic changed then tried not only to tell me what I believe about the new topic but accused me of evils that I never did. Now I am also used to be accused falsely and all but I do have a God given right to call you out on it whether it hurts your pride or not....in fact, it is the kind of thing that God wants you to be uncomfortable with.lol...not what you saw...first, I am 57 years old and don't care if you validate me or not. Don't care if you agree with me or not. What I do care about is that if we are in a public discussion that it will remain civil (which you did not do) and effective (which you did not do)...that is it. It's a public discussion board, I expect enough general respect to not act like a royal tool every time I challenge what you said.
Oh, my dear woman, you make me so confused. I am going bald much faster since I met you. :)

It would probably surprise you to know that I love listening to Joyce Myers and I welcome learning things from women who speak well and use sound logic and are down to earth. I like the way Joyce speaks in such a practical manner concerning things which are actual experienced in our everyday life. And I admire her willingness to speak of her own imperfections along with what the correct spirit ought to be from God's word. That willingness to make light of her own imperfections and own the responsibility for them makes her very attractive spiritually in my opinion.

Tell me, are you familiar with Spanish? If you are you should then be able to see where the mistake is that you are making in the way you read the New Testament which has been translated from the Koine' Greek to English. For Spanish words translated into English often must also have the Spanish perspective applied to them or we draw the wrong conclusions. An example is the words, "coming" and "going". In Spanish the perspective is the exact opposite of English. If you tell a Spanish speaking person who has no English understanding, "I am coming", they think you mean that you are going away from them. And just the opposite if you tell them, "I am going", they think you me you are "going to them." And the Koine' Greek has different perspectives for certain English words, also. Not the exact same ones which differ from Spanish to English, but the point is the different perspective found with such things as 2nd person plural pronouns and certain prepositions.

Because what I have been trying to help you see does not match up to what you have come to believe you seem to have concluded I have no education in Greek. Well, you are very wrong. I am only trying to help you. You say you are not wrong. I say you do not know if you are or are not because you are afraid to really let yourself think about what i share with you. You just quickly grab a hasty defense against having to really think about anything you are told. i am asking that you give yourself a chance to understand. Slow down and think about what I post instead of rushing to disagree. And remember, where you have never known what I believe and why I believe it, I used to believe as you do and I know why you believe it. I figured out that back then I was deceived. But no one could convince me of that back then, either. You will never know whether you are really deceived or not if you are afraid to really think about what I have been sharing with you.
 
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I am listening to God...you my dear friend are not...for if you were you would not make the accusations you have. and yet the only way you know I am a woman is my profile...in fact, I have yet to find a single person on these boards that knew I was a woman by anything else.

Lets call this an end... No sense continuing in this dialog with you at this time.
 
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Oh, my dear woman, you make me so confused. I am going bald much faster since I met you. :)

It would probably surprise you to know that I love listening to Joyce Myers and I welcome learning things from women who speak well and use sound logic and are down to earth. I like the way Joyce speaks in such a practical manner concerning things which are actual experienced in our everyday life. And I admire her willingness to speak of her own imperfections along with what the correct spirit ought to be from God's word. That willingness to make light of her own imperfections and own the responsibility for them makes her very attractive spiritually in my opinion.
personally I don't listen to Joyce Myers and have heard some disturbing things about her. The reason I don't listen to her though is because I am too busy listening to and studying the words of God to invest time in man's ideas of who God is.

As to the rest of this....I have not only been repeatedly told I am a gifted teacher but a gifted writer as well who is easy to understand. I often talk about my own frailties and have on rare occasion been reprimanded for doing so.

I recently have been studying the power of God's Love to transform man. In that study I came across the truth that God promises to give us the words to say in any situation if we seek HIM (which goes back to my opinions in the OP question) It is interesting to watch how many people like you who squirm when I say the most innocent and none threatening of things. For example, when I said that the word temple has more than one meaning and thus it is important to look at the context in order to know what meaning is being referred to...that is like the most benign thing imaginable and yet it cut to your heart because you apparently have problems with context. How strange and biblical at the same time that God would lead me to say something that would shine light on the darkness of your heart, just as He promised to do.
Tell me, are you familiar with Spanish? If you are you should then be able to see where the mistake is that you are making in the way you read the New Testament which has been translated from the Koine' Greek to English. For Spanish words translated into English often must also have the Spanish perspective applied to them or we draw the wrong conclusions. An example is the words, "coming" and "going". In Spanish the perspective is the exact opposite of English. If you tell a Spanish speaking person who has no English understanding, "I am coming", they think you mean that you are going away from them. And just the opposite if you tell them, "I am going", they think you me you are "going to them." And the Koine' Greek has different perspectives for certain English words, also. Not the exact same ones which differ from Spanish to English, but the point is the different perspective found with such things as 2nd person plural pronouns and certain prepositions.
lol here is the problem...you and another poster have accused me of false interpretations but neither of you have offered anything I interpreted wrong nor have you even attempted to without first assuming I said something I didn't. I mean, I could say that you said that God is Satan and then argue with you about how you are wrong but it doesn't mean you said it...that is the only "corrections" either of you have offered me is a "correction" of things I did NOT say. So if you want to save face, show me something I said that was interpreted incorrectly...I'll take just one...should be simple but I am confident you will refuse as you have continually done.

And just for the record, my husband said to me that where I am teachable you all are not. IOW's accusing me of not being teachable shows a complete lack of truth to the discussion at hand. I love to learn and he even said that. In fact, I love learning so much that I taught my children to learn everything they could to the point that our eldest taught himself Spanish and holds his own with spanish speaking people. Our youngest wanted to learn latin and taught himself a great deal of it. Learning is one of my passions so trying to accuse me of not being able to be taught is just evidence of you speaking what Satan wants you to say and not the truths given by God because all false witness is of Satan.
Because what I have been trying to help you see does not match up to what you have come to believe you seem to have concluded I have no education in Greek.
lol and yet I proclaimed you were learned and why I expected more from you.....lol...I proclaim you to be educated and learned and yet you accuse me of believing you are not...lol this is the type of thing that has you in a huge problem with me...
Well, you are very wrong. I am only trying to help you. You say you are not wrong. I say you do not know if you are or are not because you are afraid to really let yourself think about what i share with you.
this is exactly why I got my husband involved...you see, he has the gift of knowledge and so when you addressed my post and I didn't understand what you were trying to get at I asked him. He was more confused than I was because you not only contradicted yourself but changed the topic without informing me. Now like it or not, one of the spiritual gifts is NOT mindreading. If you want to change the topic let me know what the topic is so we can have a discussion don't just assume I believe something and then try to "correct" me when you have no idea whatsoever what I know and believe about the topic. It's disturbing to see you pretend to know what I believe without asking me first...I assure you that given the way you have portrayed me, you would be very surprised by what I know and believe. As I said, I would love to have a discussion with you about the meat of scripture instead of always the milk....but you apparently are afraid of context so I fear we will never get to that point because you would rather be a judge with evil motives than to hear what I believe.
You just quickly grab a hasty defense against having to really think about anything you are told. i am asking that you give yourself a chance to understand. Slow down and think about what I post instead of rushing to disagree.
lol I don't know if I agree or disagree, that is the point. You changed the topic and didn't tell me what we are suppose to be talking about now. When I asked you to clarify all you do is insult me like you are doing here. [/quote] And remember, where you have never known what I believe and why I believe it, I used to believe as you do and I know why you believe it. [/quote] what I believe about what? Seriously I don't have a clue what you are talking about.
I figured out that back then I was deceived. But no one could convince me of that back then, either. You will never know whether you are really deceived or not if you are afraid to really think about what I have been sharing with you.
But that is just the point...I am NOT afraid of really thinking, in fact, I am a thinker who loves questions and the harder the question the harder the answer, the more I love it. But if I don't have a clue what we are talking about I can't possibly know what I am suppose to "think" about or know from scripture if I am deceived or not because I don't know what we are talking about. In addition, if I don't have a clue what we are talking about you can't possibly know what I believe about the topic because I wouldn't have been able to share with you what I believe on a topic I don't know we are discussion.

And that my dear friend is the problem....you changed the topic and when I asked you what you were talking about you made assumptions and insulted my character, my Lord and King, and my husband instead of simply saying, "I'm sorry, what do you know and think about X (the new topic which I still don't know what it is) "
 
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Lets call this an end... No sense continuing in this dialog with you at this time.
of course...anytime a man who tries to silence women in the name of Christ is shown to be wrong they find a way to hide rather than to confront the sins that stand in the way of their freedom.
 
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Let me tell you all another story...when our son died there was a man that we knew that tried to accuse us of killing our son by bringing God's judgment upon us for believing in the trinity. Now we knew from the start of the whole thing that the man was speaking the words of Satan, iow's doing the will of Satan for one simple reason...he didn't have any of the details of our sons death right. As a certain poster here said some time ago, or at least illuded to, God's prophecy or words are 100% right 100% of the time. That is exactly why I know that you all are speaking the words of Satan and not God because you aren't even close to who I am or the sins I struggle with and there are people who will witness to that very fact. If you all were right and I was wrong, your words would reflect who I am and in that I would be forced by my covenant to God to all Him to transform my life. But...that is the point, you speak of things that are simply false accusations of me and that is how I know that you are doing the will of Satan and not God and that means that by the same covenant I must discard your accusations and hold only to the truths of God. When you are ready to speak truth let me know so that I can carefully consider your words.
 
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Let me tell you all another story...when our son died there was a man that we knew that tried to accuse us of killing our son by bringing God's judgment upon us for believing in the trinity. Now we knew from the start of the whole thing that the man was speaking the words of Satan, iow's doing the will of Satan for one simple reason...he didn't have any of the details of our sons death right. As a certain poster here said some time ago, or at least illuded to, God's prophecy or words are 100% right 100% of the time. That is exactly why I know that you all are speaking the words of Satan and not God because you aren't even close to who I am or the sins I struggle with and there are people who will witness to that very fact. If you all were right and I was wrong, your words would reflect who I am and in that I would be forced by my covenant to God to all Him to transform my life. But...that is the point, you speak of things that are simply false accusations of me and that is how I know that you are doing the will of Satan and not God and that means that by the same covenant I must discard your accusations and hold only to the truths of God. When you are ready to speak truth let me know so that I can carefully consider your words.
I agree with your conclusions about that man who would be so cruel as to say such unwarranted and hateful things concerning the death of your son. I bear a sense of guilt in me concerning my daughter's death, always thinking there may have been something I could have done differently which may have prevented it. And that last thing I would need is for such a false comforter like those who spoke to Job to turn their attention on me. You have my agreement on that.

I have said it before in a previous post and I will say it again now; I do not doubt your sincerity and your love of God. I am not saying you are being wicked or anything like that. Please do not take it as if I am.
 
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personally I don't listen to Joyce Myers and have heard some disturbing things about her. The reason I don't listen to her though is because I am too busy listening to and studying the words of God to invest time in man's ideas of who God is.

As to the rest of this....I have not only been repeatedly told I am a gifted teacher but a gifted writer as well who is easy to understand. I often talk about my own frailties and have on rare occasion been reprimanded for doing so.

I recently have been studying the power of God's Love to transform man. In that study I came across the truth that God promises to give us the words to say in any situation if we seek HIM (which goes back to my opinions in the OP question) It is interesting to watch how many people like you who squirm when I say the most innocent and none threatening of things. For example, when I said that the word temple has more than one meaning and thus it is important to look at the context in order to know what meaning is being referred to...that is like the most benign thing imaginable and yet it cut to your heart because you apparently have problems with context. How strange and biblical at the same time that God would lead me to say something that would shine light on the darkness of your heart, just as He promised to do. lol here is the problem...you and another poster have accused me of false interpretations but neither of you have offered anything I interpreted wrong nor have you even attempted to without first assuming I said something I didn't. I mean, I could say that you said that God is Satan and then argue with you about how you are wrong but it doesn't mean you said it...that is the only "corrections" either of you have offered me is a "correction" of things I did NOT say. So if you want to save face, show me something I said that was interpreted incorrectly...I'll take just one...should be simple but I am confident you will refuse as you have continually done.

And just for the record, my husband said to me that where I am teachable you all are not. IOW's accusing me of not being teachable shows a complete lack of truth to the discussion at hand. I love to learn and he even said that. In fact, I love learning so much that I taught my children to learn everything they could to the point that our eldest taught himself Spanish and holds his own with spanish speaking people. Our youngest wanted to learn latin and taught himself a great deal of it. Learning is one of my passions so trying to accuse me of not being able to be taught is just evidence of you speaking what Satan wants you to say and not the truths given by God because all false witness is of Satan. lol and yet I proclaimed you were learned and why I expected more from you.....lol...I proclaim you to be educated and learned and yet you accuse me of believing you are not...lol this is the type of thing that has you in a huge problem with me... this is exactly why I got my husband involved...you see, he has the gift of knowledge and so when you addressed my post and I didn't understand what you were trying to get at I asked him. He was more confused than I was because you not only contradicted yourself but changed the topic without informing me. Now like it or not, one of the spiritual gifts is NOT mindreading. If you want to change the topic let me know what the topic is so we can have a discussion don't just assume I believe something and then try to "correct" me when you have no idea whatsoever what I know and believe about the topic. It's disturbing to see you pretend to know what I believe without asking me first...I assure you that given the way you have portrayed me, you would be very surprised by what I know and believe. As I said, I would love to have a discussion with you about the meat of scripture instead of always the milk....but you apparently are afraid of context so I fear we will never get to that point because you would rather be a judge with evil motives than to hear what I believe. lol I don't know if I agree or disagree, that is the point. You changed the topic and didn't tell me what we are suppose to be talking about now. When I asked you to clarify all you do is insult me like you are doing here.
what I believe about what? Seriously I don't have a clue what you are talking about. But that is just the point...I am NOT afraid of really thinking, in fact, I am a thinker who loves questions and the harder the question the harder the answer, the more I love it. But if I don't have a clue what we are talking about I can't possibly know what I am suppose to "think" about or know from scripture if I am deceived or not because I don't know what we are talking about. In addition, if I don't have a clue what we are talking about you can't possibly know what I believe about the topic because I wouldn't have been able to share with you what I believe on a topic I don't know we are discussion.

And that my dear friend is the problem....you changed the topic and when I asked you what you were talking about you made assumptions and insulted my character, my Lord and King, and my husband instead of simply saying, "I'm sorry, what do you know and think about X (the new topic which I still don't know what it is) "
OK, thank you for the response.
You have given me things to think about.
 
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I agree with your conclusions about that man who would be so cruel as to say such unwarranted and hateful things concerning the death of your son. I bear a sense of guilt in me concerning my daughter's death, always thinking there may have been something I could have done differently which may have prevented it. And that last thing I would need is for such a false comforter like those who spoke to Job to turn their attention on me. You have my agreement on that.

I have said it before in a previous post and I will say it again now; I do not doubt your sincerity and your love of God. I am not saying you are being wicked or anything like that. Please do not take it as if I am.
and yet you have repeatedly accused me of things that are false which is exactly why I can say with confidence that you are not speaking the words of God but of Satan. Satan is after all the author of lies. Shall I post that passage for you?
 
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and yet you have repeatedly accused me of things that are false which is exactly why I can say with confidence that you are not speaking the words of God but of Satan. Satan is after all the author of lies. Shall I post that passage for you?
List those things in your next post of which you claim, quote, "you have repeatedly accused me of things that are false...", unquote.

Don't worry, you cannot offend me. Go right ahead and list the specific things I said which you believe were as falsely accusing you, and lets talk about them.

There is no sense to just making empty statements as you have done there. Put the proof out in the open where we can discuss it.
 
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List those things in your next post of which you claim, quote, "you have repeatedly accused me of things that are false...", unquote.

Don't worry, you cannot offend me. Go right ahead and list the specific things I said which you believe were as falsely accusing you, and lets talk about them.

There is no sense to just making empty statements as you have done there. Put the proof out in the open where we can discuss it.
there is a partial list in the post that you quote in post 476

In fact, you have repeatedly accused me of believing X when in reality I believe Y which is even further problematic. That is a great start...see, it isn't that hard to evidence truth...lies are a bit more difficult.
 
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there is a partial list in the post that you quote in post 476

In fact, you have repeatedly accused me of believing X when in reality I believe Y which is even further problematic. That is a great start...see, it isn't that hard to evidence truth...lies are a bit more difficult.
You have not listed what I have said. You have yet only spoken your opinion of what you thought I said.

List the specific things I sad which you found offensive. And state whether I said it to you or to genez or to anyone else. You are not presently telling me enough for me to know what you are talking about.
 
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