Christians are not going to be judged by the ten commandments.

[MoreCoffee]

The Bible says the TEN Commmandments are the Word of God for us all
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Nope. the bible doesn't say that.

D.L. Moody taught that the Ten Commandments apply to all the saints today. Even the Sabbath Commandment
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You're a follower of D L Moody?

 

[Sophrosyne]

Nope. the bible doesn't say that.


You're a follower of D L Moody?

Moody's idea of a Sabbath has been refuted before as Moody proposed the Sabbath as Sunday which has Sabbath promoters speaking out of both sides of their mouths as in one thread they equate he is pro Sabbath by "keeping" and another thread anti Sabbath by not "keeping" Saturday.

In other words all the people in his Sunday Sources would be admonished for one reason or another for not keeping their idea of the Sabbath. It is like saying everyone who is half right agrees with me so I must be "all" right. Such arguments are without merit and don't belong in serious debate.

 

[BobRyan]

Moody's idea of a Sabbath has been refuted before

Here is what Moody taught --

DWIGHT L. MOODY

The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17 ​

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The Fourth Commandment

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Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was[/FONT][FONT=&quot]- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes; [/FONT]

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And here are the 7 points that were claimed about Moody's teaching


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Here is an example of claims made by the pro-Sunday sources - and 6 of the 7 are actually correct according to the Bible!.


Yes that is right - 6 of the 7 are actually common ground between Sabbath keeping and Sunday keeping Christians.


1. That the Sabbath Commandment is first given to mankind in Gen 2:1-3
2. That all mankind was obligated by the TEN commandments in the OT and to this very day.
3. That the seventh day as the Sabbath was Saturday the seventh day of the week from Gen 2:1-3 until NT times - including at the cross.
4. That the Ten Commandments are the moral Law of God
5. That the moral law of God is written on the heart under the New Covenant
6. that the Ten Commandments as the moral law of God are in no way opposed to grace and the Gospel.
7. That the Sabbath commandment can rightly be BENT by man-made-tradition to point to week-day-1 after the cross.

I agree with 6 out of 7 as listed above - and yet many who post against God's TEN commandments object to all of the points listed above. And sometimes they will even go on to complain that so many of the points above are in agreement with my position and opposed to the war-against-the-Ten-Commandments position.

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None of that was ever shown to be incorrect - as we all know.


Just stating the obvious.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

The Bible says the TEN Commmandments are the Word of God for us all

10 Commandments are –
“Commandments of God” Neh 10:29
“Law of God” Neh 10:29
“Word of God” Mark 7:13
“Commandment of God” Mark 7:6-13
NT “Scripture” James 2:8
NT “Law” – James 2:9-11
NT Commandments Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Note that in 1John 5 - John contrasts "LOVE", to the Commandments of God. He does not say "By this we know that we Love God -- if we Love God".

Nope. the bible doesn't say that.

Clearly we differ - as you appear to differ with your own RCC on the points listed.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

It would be interesting to find at least one more Catholic expressing this view on this part of the board - rather than saving these RC tradition trump scriture ideas for other parts of the board.

( "The Faith Explained" - page 242-243.)
"we know that in the Old Testament it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day - which was observed as the Lord’s Day. That was the law as God gave it...'remember to keep holy the Sabbath day..the early Christian church determined as the Lord’s Day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident...the reason for changing the Lord’s Day from Saturday to Sunday lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy...nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord’s Day from Saturday to Sunday..that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-catholic who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord’s Day on the say-so of the catholic church

 

[MoreCoffee]

Moody's idea of a Sabbath has been refuted before as Moody proposed the Sabbath as Sunday which has Sabbath promoters speaking out of both sides of their mouths as in one thread they equate he is pro Sabbath by "keeping" and another thread anti Sabbath by not "keeping" Saturday.

In other words all the people in his Sunday Sources would be admonished for one reason or another for not keeping their idea of the Sabbath. It is like saying everyone who is half right agrees with me so I must be "all" right. Such arguments are without merit and don't belong in serious debate.

I do not know very much about D L Moodey's teaching on Sunday or sabbath obligations. However I do know that Christians are not going to be judged by the ten commandments. That is, I know that no Christian will be condemned to eternal punishment because he or she failed to keep one or more of the ten commandments in their earthly life and I also know that no Christian will be given eternal life because their personally kept all ten of the ten commandments fully and faultlessly in their earthly life. So when I read that commandment keeping is the basis for approval or condemnation of christians in the last judgement I am compelled to disagree. When people in this thread voice disagreement with the thread's original post and when their explanations of their disagreements are explained as meaning that christians will be judged on the basis of their conformity to the ten commandments I know that those explanations are in error.

I can't help but think that appeals to D L Moodey for support in the thesis that keeping the seventh day as sabbath is an obligation laid on the shoulders of every Christian (as if it were an essential part of the yoke of Christ in Matthew 11:28-30) I am compelled to state that I disagree with that thesis with every fibre of my being. Sabbath keeping is not the yoke of Christ. Those who want to teach christians to come under a yoke that includes sabbath keeping as an essential obligation of the new covenant are misrepresenting the new covenant. That is a very serious matter. I pray they will cease and turn away from such a horrendous doctrine.

 

[listed]

I would add quotes from The Westminster Confession of Faith , R.C.
Sproul, Matthew Henry, Thomas Watson, ... but at this point the most casual reader can see the point.

The idea that anyone reading the Bible or these statements of faith by Catholic, Protestant, Calvinist groups still be confused on the point that the TEN Commandments are the moral law of God written on the heart under the NEW Covenant -- is difficult to justify.

Not according to Jeremiah.

 

[Bumble Bee]

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[MoreCoffee]

Rub a dub dub ...

Well, christians are still not commanded to obey the ten commandments and can confidently expect not to be judged righteous or condemned as a reprobate on the basis of their performance with respect to obeying the then commandments.